@NOVED?! You think this discussion is harmful -that- much? Well you know I love Machamp either way, I just think obscure or unusual decisions aren't necessarily bad just because they seem weak mathematically. Just as a quick mention, when you do run No Guard Machamp, you'll probably want Status protection with Safeguard, Lum Berry, etc, and OHKO protection with Sturdy. People still like using Sheer Cold Lapras, even with the Penagon rule. Glare Shuffle with stuff like Serperior and erm... Arbok, (lol yeah, not popular, but better against fairies right?) would help a lot for Parafusion.