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Beach bum REVENGE

SlimJim

Spring Break has put me in the mood for a little sun and sand. I'm a huge fan of weather based teams, and hail did not bring me much luck, so I'm trying sandstorm out now and seeing how it fares.



Tyranitar @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
Sand Stream
60 HP/ 252 Attack/ 196 Speed
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Pursuit

Typical CBTar who flat out hauls ass and hurts hard with a giant 600 point attack strength. Lovin the pursuit for cowardly switchers.


Garchomp @ Yache berry
Jolly Nature
Sand Veil
16 HP / 252 Attack / 240 Speed
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Fang

SD Yachechomp. You have completely changed and soiled the metagame, landshark. Everyone has to live in fear of you and your shark-like antics. Works in tandem with Sand Stream support from Tyranitar for an evasion boost. Fire fang is for coverage.



Gliscor@ leftovers
Impish Nature
Sand Veil
252 HP / 6 attack / 252 defense
- Roost
- Ice Fang
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake

Sturdy wall of a bat with an affinity for pointy rocks. Helps resist that annoying Heracross and dodge ground moves. Also abuses the sandstorm with Sand veil. Thanks to forbidden for the awesome spread.


Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
Natural Cure
172 HP / 120 SpAtt / 216 Speed
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Bolt beam is love, like usual. Also aids in covering some typical weaknesses such as ground and ice. Recovers damage and doesn't afraid of anything. Also, he spins now to clear annoying spikes and rocks away

Skarmory @ Shed Shell
Sturdy
252 HP/ 96 attack/ 156 defense/ 4 speed
- Brave Bird
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind

Needed a weavile counter, and here he is. Wow, what a wall Skarmory is, and he still has stuck around this generation. Brave bird over drill peck for more damage, and spikes for, well, spiking. Love this guy.

Cradily@ leftovers
Careful Nature
Suction cups
252 HP / 92 SPDefense / 164 Defense
- Toxic
- Rockslide
- Recover
- Earthquake

Brought back the Cradily. He is still as strong as ever in the sandstorm. Refuses to get roared away and Poisons Away. My Dedicated special wall in the Sand..


questions, comments, and/or critique is greatly apreciated, as always. And link me to your team if you help me with mine, so I can rate yours :naughty:
 
bumping this thread.

I'm actually wondering if a skarmory would go well in here. Maybe a metagross? A gliscor? a Lucario?
 
Heracross rapes your team seeing as how you have no fighting resistance and your only bug resist is Fortress who is 2hkoed by CB CC. I suggest a Gliscor or Gyarados.

Ok yea starmie resists it but is most likely 2hkoed by CC anyways.
 
Heracross rapes your team as the above poster said, and what do you have against a Nasty Plotting Azelf? If Garchomp is weakened, Azelf can easily set up upon Forretress and destroy the rest of your team... The most you can do back is a Toxic from Cradily. I'd suggest dropping Cradily for Blissey. Even in sand, Blissey has better special defense so it can also help with powerful special attackers such as Heatran. Also give Garchomp special defense EV's so it can survive Ice Beams.
 
Pursuit should be on Tyranitar because it just owns anything that tries to switch out.

I also think that Substitute should go over Stone Edge on Breloom because it can last longer in battle. Another option is Leech Seed to gain even more health. About every turn, you will heal about 25% of your health if you manage to Leech Seed, which is the equivalent of one substitute. It won't die.

Metagross - you don't need another physical sweeper as you already have two very powerful ones that have lots of coverage.

Skarmory - I don't think you really need one unless you want Flying STAB or a phazer.

Gliscor - ...uh, you DO have somewhat of a Heracross weakness, so maybe a Gliscor would be a good addition, although I don't know where it could really be put. Since Forretress plays such an important role in your team, it wouldn't be smart to replace it.

Lucario - Unless you want another special sweeper, go ahead and put it in. Once again, I don't know what team member it would be appropriate to replace.
 
Replace Fortress with this gliscor:

Impish
252 hp/4 atk/252 def
Stealth rock
Roost
Ice Fang
Earthquake

Replace Ice beam on starmie with Rapid Spin and you won't be needing fortress. Make T-tar more bulky, possibly Jibaku's Careful CB one so you can deal with azelf and easily survive a NPed HP fight from azelf. That would solve your azelf problem. You're also Mamo weak once you replace Fortress so swap cradily for a bulky water of your choice. Swampert would be nice since it has 3 of the 4 moves you have on cradily.

Oh and Pursuit over Ice beam since you can have swampert with ice beam if you need.
 
cool, thanks.

Yeah, A gliscor sounds like it could help, but I'm not sure who I would take out. Also, blissy sounds cool, but wouldn't that add to my heracross weakness since it is a normal type? I'm also thinking of replacing Cradily with another wall that floats to render earthquakes and such moot. Should I go with the Skarmory, the Gliscor, or the Bronzong?
 
If you have a gliscor, you don't have a Heracross weakness unless it dies.
And Cradily is probably OHKO'ed by Choice Band Heracross Close Combat so it doesn't really matter if you replace it Blissey, even if it is weak to close combat.
 
switch breloom for roserade and use weather ball
BASE 100 ROCK MOVE w/ 100 ACCURACY!!!

pwnd

Also, a good sp. sweeper and has type coverage
 
SlimJim said:
cool, thanks.

Yeah, A gliscor sounds like it could help, but I'm not sure who I would take out. Also, blissy sounds cool, but wouldn't that add to my heracross weakness since it is a normal type? I'm also thinking of replacing Cradily with another wall that floats to render earthquakes and such moot. Should I go with the Skarmory, the Gliscor, or the Bronzong?
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If you want bronzong, replace breloom with that but then your team offense is composed of t-tar and chomp who are both walled by common physical walls. Try gengar in that slot with Hypnosis since it not only gives you a ground and fighting immunity but it also gives nice coverage with hp ice for dragons and bulky grounds.
 
okay, I've updated the roster and I am definately replacing Cradily with Swampert, but I'm not sure which set I should put on him.

I'm thinking the physical tank set from the smogon analysis
 
Replace Fortress with this gliscor:

Impish
252 hp/4 atk/252 def
Stealth rock
Roost
Ice Fang
Earthquake
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...And you just got 6-0'd by Weavile. :O

If you opt for Tyranitar, Garchomp, Gliscor, Starmie, Cradily and Breloom then you can just leave the room once Weavile appears, it really is too severe of a weakness. I'd bring Gliscor in over Breloom and replace Forretress with Skarmory. That way you've covered your Mamo, Hera, SDLuke and Weavile weaknesses, whilst still keeping Spikes support.

When I say "covered your Weavile weakness," what I really mean is "You now have a Weavile counter." You're fucked if Skarmory goes down, so be sure to equip a Shed Shell.
 
Swampert should be sufficient for Weavile since it can counter with stone edge but SD luke is a big one. Gliscor can handle it but people are starting to use hp ice on it so I still think breloom should replaced with a gengar. Either McGar with Hypnosis/Shadowball/sub/F-punch or just scarf.

Counters:
Lucario: SD > Gengar, CC > Gengar/Gliscor, Crunch> Swampert/Gliscor, Bullet punch>most likely no hp ice so gliscor.
Weavile: Swampert
Heracross: Gliscor, CC>Gengar, Stone Edge>Swampert/Garchomp

The problem I see now is that this team is quite weak to grass so a gengar would be ideal to stop those shaymin/roserade from beating you.

I don't see weavile as a huge threat because most of the time my teams handle it well but then again my team is usually bulky. You can always replace Gliscor with hp ice weezing and have SR on Swampert. That would cover weavile/hera AND Sd luke and also provide wow support.
 
Swampert should be sufficient for Weavile
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When your whole team gets OHKO'd by Weavile, you'll probably be wanting a counter who y'know:

a) resists his attacks?
b) can recover?

Swampert is 3HKO'd by Choice Band Ice Punch. To put it another way, he can safely switch in ONCE.

Gliscor can handle it but people are starting to use hp ice on it
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Give Gliscor a Yache Berry if you're that worried about this one. I know I did, and it worked reasonably well. The lack of Leftovers hurts, but Roost and Sandstorm immunity helps a lot.

I don't see weavile as a huge threat
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You should probably consult the threat list then! :)

Also, replacing Cradily for Swampert is gonna leave him with nothing that resembles a special wall. Standard Azelf outspeeds and OHKO's every single member of your proposed Tyranitar/Garchomp/Weezing/Swampert/Starmie/Gengar team after a boost. Heck, he OHKO's 4/6th of them without even boosting. And here's a nice calc for you:

Nasty Plot Life Orb HP fight vs 252/252 Careful Tyranitar in sand: 93.56% - 109.90%
 
Pretty sure that you forgot SS lee. Not even NP Hp fight should be doing that much to Careful max t-tar. Weavile is or isn't a threat depending on the team and you're right about the SwampertxWeavile thing.

But I suppose it depends on your playing style. Though Skarm helps stop weavile from beating you, it doesn't really contribute much else to the team seeing as how like you said the team lacks a special wall. However, with proper prediction, you can easily take care of Azelf. Assuming gengar is scarved which I think is the best option in this case.

Azelf: Flamethrower/Psychic/T-bolt/Hp Ice>T-tar, NP/Hp fight/Explosion>Gengar.

Anyways I gtg so just test out the team and see what you're weak against, its the easiest way to know. :P
 
I'd say that the worst Azelf for him to face is Nasty Plot, Psychic, Flamethrower and Grass Knot. Im sure that after a nasty plot, grass knot OHKO's his current tyranitar. I'm still pushing for Blissey here, but it wouldn't help your Weavile weakness.
 
SlimJim said:
I'm thinking some kind of Swampert for the last slot, but I'm not sure which set to use, although this physical one seems pretty good. Do you think the SDef boost from the sandstorm is enough?
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No, because he's a Ground type. Only Rocks receive the SpD boost.

Pretty sure that you forgot SS lee. Not even NP Hp fight should be doing that much to Careful max t-tar.
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Nope, just ran it again. 93.56% - 109.90%

Though Skarm helps stop weavile from beating you, it doesn't really contribute much else to the team seeing as how like you said the team lacks a special wall.
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Well to be fair, I never suggested that he remove Cradily. He did that of his own accord. And Skarmory does contribute to the team; namely by bringing Spikes back to the team after Forry's departure and even more improtantly; phazing. To to reiterate, I'm proposing:

Tyranitar/Garchomp/Starmie/Gliscor/Skarmory/Cradily or Blissey

over the current

Tyranitar/Garchomp/Starmie/Gliscor/Gengar/Swampert

Your current team has no Weavile counter, no phazer and no special wall/status absorber.
 
Hey Lee, should I turn back to my high speed, max attack CB tar if I go with the Skarmory? Looks like I have a few more resistances now
 
yeah, I went with lee's suggestion. Looks very solid and has a great balance of attackers and defenders, although I only have one special sweeper in Starmie. Good news is I only have one team member who is buffeted by the sandstorm.
 
one quick bump for today.

I think I've finalized my roster for maximum superiority.

I do have a bit of a bug weakness now, but how common are some bug type moves anyways?
 
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