Survivor (Big) Survivor: Starhome

[Duskfall98]

What moves do you think clouds and torin claim to be a big threat that Eli cannot?

Torin had two allies on two different sides of the game play idols for him, or give them to him. I think regardless of the effectiveness of this, I agree it was lackluster, this was an incredibly compelling argument. It shows he had incredible social game which spanned the breadth of the game.

Clouds threat level just isn't really that comparable to Eli in my opinion. Clouds was actually way ahead and he had strong allies everywhere. While Eli relied on a closed spot, essentially just me to stay in the game, clouds was allies with so many people: Eli and torin were strong, but he also made connections with totters, and despite his end play of the idol being bad, he leveraged it well to stay in the game longer. Clouds went beyond the pregame in a way Eli never matched and while I know it sucks to keep bringing that up, it is kind of true that whatever Eli's premerge - his merge was almost entirely reliant on pregame, the exception he says is Psy but like Psy voted Eli so this seems just to be overhyped by Eli in ftc.

Clouds crossed borders and made genuine bonds, even to the end at f7 when he was a clear winner he has two allies who wanted to take him forward despite them being fully aware he would win in ftc. Eli can't really say that because everyone else on ftc believed Eli didn't play well - this can't be said for clouds game, he was truly seen as a huge threat in game, because he clearly was, not just pushed as one in hindsight after people were booted.

 

[Duskfall98]

i have officially reread the speeches for this and final 10 and have remembered why I forgot this <3

not thrilled about a lot of the gameplay at this tribal from the finalists, cannot lie


the idol flush seems bad for eli pov and good for Tommy, but the result of the tribal seems bad for Tommy and good for Eli

ryo gets a pass cause he was training in the mountains during this arc to avenge his master zoa

but Eli admitted that totters was in his ideal f4 already and he didn't even vote correctly at f9, why is this a good result for him and not me?

 

[Nuxl]

Btw I have to ask, who tf is claiming credit in this FTC for final 9, because I know it’s not ryo and I am gonna have to reread again to see Eli and Tommy takes on it

vooper

going back to ur question in a bit and i agree that basically everyone sucked this tribal except for like, literally torin LOL... dont blame my dentist

bloody mouth ass who contributed to the pressure on clouds, some of us just sucked less than others as a result i feel

 

[Nuxl]

but Eli admitted that totters was in his ideal f4 already and he didn't even vote correctly at f9, why is this a good result for him and not me?

man this is a stretch, ideal f4 means "a perfect world for me if achievable" which wasnt like, something that would've been incredibly hard to aim for bc of my threat level and my name constantly being thrown out :joy:

 

[Nuxl]

one last thing before i go back to ur question vooper was zach a frontrunner by the jury had he survived 5? (e: i didnt think he was that far ahead)

 

[vooper]

but Eli admitted that totters was in his ideal f4 already and he didn't even vote correctly at f9, why is this a good result for him and not me?

totter going home secured the FTC spot for him LMAO I agree it’s strange cause of everything you are saying but I stand by the fact that totter going was worse for your game than Eli’s as of rn

 

[Duskfall98]

man this is a stretch, ideal f4 means "a perfect world for me if achievable" which wasnt like, something that would've been incredibly hard to aim for bc of my threat level and my name constantly being thrown out :joy:

Even if you thought it was difficult to actually get to f4 with totters, the fact you said he is in your ideal f4, said you wouldn't vote him, then voted incorrectly off of totters is enough to say you lost this vote more than myself or ryo. At least we both voted correctly right?

 

[vooper]

one last thing before i go back to ur question vooper was zach a frontrunner by the jury had he survived 5? (e: i didnt think he was that far ahead)

im ngl I am honestly unsure (both if I know the answer to this and if I should say it in the first place with any form of confidence)

 

[Duskfall98]

totter going home secured the FTC spot for him LMAO I agree it’s strange cause of everything you are saying but I stand by the fact that totter going was worse for your game than Eli’s as of rn

Totters was in with clouds, he would've been used as a flip on me at some point I am certain of. He was the only number against me and you have to consider the dynamics of the game - not just who would magically lose to me in a ftc I believe.

 

[vooper]

Even if you thought it was difficult to actually get to f4 with totters, the fact you said he is in your ideal f4, said you wouldn't vote him, then voted incorrectly off of totters is enough to say you lost this vote more than myself or ryo. At least we both voted correctly right?

im not a fan of this argument once again because even if you vote correctly that doesn’t mean that it was the best use of your vote

 

[vooper]

Totters was in with clouds, he would've been used as a flip on me at some point I am certain of. He was the only number against me and you have to consider the dynamics of the game - not just who would magically lose to me in a ftc I believe.

the best thing about your game tho is that it is literally impossible for you to be voted out when single digits hit tho?? I don’t understand how you are scared of totter in this world

 

[vooper]

Torin had two allies on two different sides of the game play idols for him, or give them to him. I think regardless of the effectiveness of this, I agree it was lackluster, this was an incredibly compelling argument. It shows he had incredible social game which spanned the breadth of the game.

Clouds threat level just isn't really that comparable to Eli in my opinion. Clouds was actually way ahead and he had strong allies everywhere. While Eli relied on a closed spot, essentially just me to stay in the game, clouds was allies with so many people: Eli and torin were strong, but he also made connections with totters, and despite his end play of the idol being bad, he leveraged it well to stay in the game longer. Clouds went beyond the pregame in a way Eli never matched and while I know it sucks to keep bringing that up, it is kind of true that whatever Eli's premerge - his merge was almost entirely reliant on pregame, the exception he says is Psy but like Psy voted Eli so this seems just to be overhyped by Eli in ftc.

Clouds crossed borders and made genuine bonds, even to the end at f7 when he was a clear winner he has two allies who wanted to take him forward despite them being fully aware he would win in ftc. Eli can't really say that because everyone else on ftc believed Eli didn't play well - this can't be said for clouds game, he was truly seen as a huge threat in game, because he clearly was, not just pushed as one in hindsight after people were booted.

Ftr I liked this answer a lot, even if some parts felt hypocritical.

am hoping Eli responds to this somewhat through the question I asked him relating to his social game

 

[RyoDio]

the best thing about your game tho is that it is literally impossible for you to be voted out when single digits hit tho?? I don’t understand how you are scared of totter in this world

Well think about it Vooper, Tommy thinks that he played the best game, you know who he said played a game as objectively good as his? Torin. Tommy and Torin both have something in common… the “To” in their names, and if you look at the name “Totter” you can notice the pattern.

Totter was a major threat to Tommy because his name starts with “To”, I hope you’re able to understand this and it’s honestly a huge blunder on your part

 

[Duskfall98]

the best thing about your game tho is that it is literally impossible for you to be voted out when single digits hit tho?? I don’t understand how you are scared of totter in this world

I don't think that's true, the best part about my game was that I could steer the game now I wanted in single digits, which allowed me to not be voted. I think if I started fumbling I definitely could have gone home.

There are definitely world's where a lot of players in f9 vote me, I just stamped them out piece by piece in my opinion. That being said, clearly Eli didn't play a game where he should be rewarded, if anything you are further backing the Eli is just survivor luck argument by saying he accidentally voted wrong but it helped him to me.

 

[vooper]

I don't think that's true, the best part about my game was that I could steer the game now I wanted in single digits, which allowed me to not be voted. I think if I started fumbling I definitely could have gone home.

There are definitely world's where a lot of players in f9 vote me, I just stamped them out piece by piece in my opinion. That being said, clearly Eli didn't play a game where he should be rewarded, if anything you are further backing the Eli is just survivor luck argument by saying he accidentally voted wrong but it helped him to me.

OKAY SO WE AGREE ON THAT FIRST BIT COOL

Now, once again, where you lose me is the way you steered it. I am not arguing with you that you were the driver here.

at final 10 I believe zoa going with the idol, while flashy, is objectively better on paper for Eli compared to you and ryo. Zoa was close to y’all, and you fully knew this, so I don’t get your argument at all that it was this big play to get away from s16 (your point that you could be the 4th in the s16 f3 is not landing for me, that was never going to be the f4 cause torin was there, and I’m confident that you zoa ryo tbz is a better ftc for you)

at final 9/8 you take out arguably the smallest threats left in the game, instead of working your social game that you say is better than Eli’s in order to get psy and totter to want you to go to the end with them? The responsibility isn’t on Eli here to do this, because Eli is the one who is sneaking into ftc slots. Your FTC slot has felt like it’s been locked this whole time since I left the game LOL

im not at all saying Eli was lucky and that phrasing is rlly putting me off rn. I agree that tribal is not a good look for him. The reason I compare it is because you actively put yourself in that position in that tribal when you have had a ton of power, while it seems like Eli was playing the best he could with the smaller tools he had.

 

[Pidge]

-despite that, even when shit leaked by zach, and the other 5 thought he was catching votes, i made them believe that i was voting with them so that regard they wouldn't idol - this was all to make sure that vote happened, contrary to what you're saying everyone believed i was with them at the end which is kind of a different story than what you're trying to say

uh i'm still reading like apparently 4 more pages of this thread, but i just wanted to clarify this point because it has been brought up a few times: Eli was not the sole reason i didn't idol lols. i talked to Zach and Psy as well at the last moments before the vote. i (stupidly and incorrectly) felt they were not actually voting me after I had my respective convos with them. i found it hard to believe that all 4 of Eli, Zach, Psy, and Tommy would be against me (i was wrong)

 

[Duskfall98]

OKAY SO WE AGREE ON THAT FIRST BIT COOL

Now, once again, where you lose me is the way you steered it. I am not arguing with you that you were the driver here.

at final 10 I believe zoa going with the idol, while flashy, is objectively better on paper for Eli compared to you and ryo. Zoa was close to y’all, and you fully knew this, so I don’t get your argument at all that it was this big play to get away from s16 (your point that you could be the 4th in the s16 f3 is not landing for me, that was never going to be the f4 cause torin was there, and I’m confident that you zoa ryo tbz is a better ftc for you)

at final 9/8 you take out arguably the smallest threats left in the game, instead of working your social game that you say is better than Eli’s in order to get psy and totter to want you to go to the end with them? The responsibility isn’t on Eli here to do this, because Eli is the one who is sneaking into ftc slots. Your FTC slot has felt like it’s been locked this whole time since I left the game LOL

im not at all saying Eli was lucky and that phrasing is rlly putting me off rn. I agree that tribal is not a good look for him. The reason I compare it is because you actively put yourself in that position in that tribal when you have had a ton of power, while it seems like Eli was playing the best he could with the smaller tools he had.

It might have been better for Eli than me, but that's not really the point for me the point is that it was not his sole play. Eli may have had less to play with, but that doesn't excuse the fact he didn't so much, and did nothing without me.

If totters was at this ftc (not to drag his name) and someone made the argument "oh well he survived his name being tossed out a lot, and he only voted bad because he had no other choice" - I mean yeah it's true, and it would be pretty much the same argument as Eli. The only difference is people believe Eli is a better player, which again is perception.

If I lose the game on perception purely then I guess that's what happens though i will feel it is unjust. That being said, I would still like it if jury gave me my props for playing a better more proactive game than Eli, and having more control at pretty much every point in the game.

Also the fact people keep saying I wasn't trying to win despite me taking out threats to my game repeatedly and playing the game super proactive is very unfair. I think I played this game very hard, and that should be quite clear to all.

 

[Duskfall98]

Also I think if I went to ftc with ryo tbz zoa in that world I would have played a completely different game than what I did now. I would have been waiting on ryos call to flip on Torin and backseated the whole time.

As said before, backseatinf wasn't a thing I was willing to do and in such a world it would have been probably even easier for me to have made ftc but I believe I would have had none of the late merge power any more, which would have went to ryo instead and therefore I would have very little to argue on why I should win in the end.

I would probably have been relying on pregame over gameplay at that point, hoping I get the votes from eimmers over tbz and that is absolutely not how I wanted to play this game. I don't really even think I would be satisfied with a win where I didn't believe I won based on gameplay, I'd have felt way too scummy.

 

[RyoDio]

Also I think if I went to ftc with ryo tbz zoa in that world I would have played a completely different game than what I did now. I would have been waiting on ryos call to flip on Torin and backseated the whole time.

As said before, backseatinf wasn't a thing I was willing to do and in such a world it would have been probably even easier for me to have made ftc but I believe I would have had none of the late merge power any more, which would have went to ryo instead and therefore I would have very little to argue on why I should win in the end.

I would probably have been relying on pregame over gameplay at that point, hoping I get the votes from eimmers over tbz and that is absolutely not how I wanted to play this game. I don't really even think I would be satisfied with a win where I didn't believe I won based on gameplay, I'd have felt way too scummy.

I’m confused by “would have gone to Ryo instead”… are you insinuating that I didn’t have late merge power??? because at the very minimum I was unvotable f8 onwards and every vote I decided for myself was the one that happened, I don’t think you can fairly claim I didn’t have late merge power.

Idt thats what you’re trying to say (at least I hope not because that would be bad for you)

 

[vooper]

It might have been better for Eli than me, but that's not really the point for me the point is that it was not his sole play. Eli may have had less to play with, but that doesn't excuse the fact he didn't so much, and did nothing without me.

If totters was at this ftc (not to drag his name) and someone made the argument "oh well he survived his name being tossed out a lot, and he only voted bad because he had no other choice" - I mean yeah it's true, and it would be pretty much the same argument as Eli. The only difference is people believe Eli is a better player, which again is perception.

If I lose the game on perception purely then I guess that's what happens though i will feel it is unjust. That being said, I would still like it if jury gave me my props for playing a better more proactive game than Eli, and having more control at pretty much every point in the game.

Also the fact people keep saying I wasn't trying to win despite me taking out threats to my game repeatedly and playing the game super proactive is very unfair. I think I played this game very hard, and that should be quite clear to all.

Yea I think this is boiling down rn for me on whether I value someone having more, stronger cards in their hand and playing them in a sub optimal order or someone who had less, weaker cards but they were played better

if that last paragraph is directed towards me I hope you know I don’t think this one bit

this is genuinely an extremely competitive FTC and you all are amazing ppl and players

 

[vooper]

I’m probs gonna head to bed now, will read up again in the morning and make a vote last minute cause I haven’t decided yet

Ty all for dealing with me! I am sorry if I’ve been annoying LOL I’m hoping that these questions helped put the FTC train back on the track for some of y’all tho cause damn was it getting messy

 

[RyoDio]

I’m probs gonna head to bed now, will read up again in the morning and make a vote last minute cause I haven’t decided yet

Ty all for dealing with me! I am sorry if I’ve been annoying LOL I’m hoping that these questions helped put the FTC train back on the track for some of y’all tho cause damn was it getting messy

Gn, and it’s all good I only had to answer like 3 questions so

I don’t deal with the eternal struggles

 

[RIP Urshifu]

ya know I said I was locking my vote earlier cuz I dont feel great and trying to decipher some of these messages when I havent played the game in like months is literally giving me a headache. But based on my skim I liked alot of your guys' answers to voopers questions (great questions btw). And also kind of related but I was thinking about it tommy and you kind of have a point, for me personally I easily vote any of torin, clouds, zach if they make ftc. Its easy to say you should have gotten all of them out starting f8 but the honest truth is I have no clue what the game was like at that point, its all just hearsay. If this game was truly about figuring out who played the best I probably shouldnt have a vote in first place Im literally just guessing and talking to like half the jurors only since we dont have a place to discuss in the main server.

 

[Nuxl]

vooper

i was going to be a bit more basic writing but i decided to make it more fun for me and hopefully for anyone who reads this, so hopefully this will be a fun read at least

pisx is iconic! we talked a bit more through ironbound and not as much during the merge. i got them addicted to drsweety303, the most iconic twitter account in existence. her raps are better than cardi and her flow is spicier than krow trying to push me at f60 or whatever. she stans rico nasty (as anyone should) and i envy that i've never had nacho fries at taco bell. also i hope she remembers red guy as much as i do... and i just listened to my first marina song two days ago btw

the first thing about janzen is that he is very conventionally attractive and i've been linked his instagram multiple times even when i wasn't on any tribes with him LMAO which is really scary. janzen is on the quarter system like i am which means we both drown in work although he's also training to be a paramedic which seems even scarier and more horrifying. i remember originally talking to janzen and i felt like he kept saying "as a kid" or "when i was younger" a lot, so at an age that i would guess that is under 10 or something he's done the following things which nobody else can do on his resume: sports, the flash game "qwop", and had family members that were part of school administration!

brandon is a melee NERD and contrary to what you might expect he's demolished me in melee netplay multiple times. i actually remember his clutchbox story and i felt really bad when i heard about it! unfortunately i have since lost my adapter and cannot play with him again after this game ends which is really painful but i will probably pick something up in the next few weeks so i can train in the mountains and get my revenge. maybe he'll see my sick lucas next time when PM finally gets netplay!! weirdly enough he is also a survivor superfan but found this game off of PS so i'm really not certain why i havent seen him in the larger org community WJKLAJKDL

admittedly with mat, we rushed to game very quickly in a lot of our conversations but from what i know he does draft leagues, enjoyed eimm at least once (so much so he played it again it seems!), and has never responded to me after 10 PM my time which is fair because im aware he's apparently pretty busy w/ work based on what i had heard about his career!!

zoa and i actually talked a lot about dota which is a game i really want to get into more but have only played once or twice bc my friends prefer league LOL. it was kind of funny how addicted we were to respective mobas and talking w him helped me figure out more distinctions between both mobas - though unlike how i got plat in league zoa apparently got immortal which is like master+ in league (top 0.5 or something)?? btw i tried invoker like multiple times after and i was shit vs bots but it was fun making tornados and meteors and stuff - anyway i didnt actually know protracker existed but i was spamming it every single time after i had heard abt it from him

totter is i think is the only person i know who has applied to less schools than me LOL which is the first thing i remember. he should be an art major because he's an amazing artist but he's taking ochem so please pray for him! it's ok because he can submit a new waterbender druid to help his study abroad app... admittedly which deadline was likely a while ago but im sure the weather will be better next yr in venice! though i lowkey wish we got to play pokemon unite sometime bc that was something i had heard he played but felt it would be randomly awkward to ask if we never talked about it WJAKLSJKLD

unlike my WASD and JKL secret keyspam technique, psy prefers the warrior of the keyspam SDFGHJ keys in the middle row and im really not convinced their d key hasn't broken by now because he always opens with it when the letters come out LOL i remember i think we literally talked about the fact that he worked at the great wolf lodge for like 3 days which sadly has like no close locations near my area but the google images i saw were super cute and i will probably want to take my kid there in 30 years. also most times i would talk to psy it would be at like, incredibly random times tbh which makes sense based on what they told me about the way they take naps tbh LOL, in general i just remember laughing a lot about just various related game drama/things w psy which was definitely one of the most fun vibes i had with them

clouds ordered a laptop i think like basically when we met at merge and it floored me when he said it would come like literally 3 weeks later so imho i think he needs to get amazon prime on their shit?? this is probably why he would play pokemon unite instead of hopping on league with me! voting him out... i would say... was like seeing an ex leave because we never had the same chemistry together but it's ok and we know one of us will be better at the end. he was the only one to resonate with me after i got dental surgery and told me his horrific story...! also ive never heard of anyone disturbing enough to take a cs course starting over christmas LOL

torin is a film major which i will never understand because apparently his finals are much different than everyone else where he ends up doing shit like podcasts, exams, scriptwriting, and final projects all at once... actually i remember i asked him to share one of his projects and he didnt know how to talk about it and he flaked on sending me the video anyway DSALAJSLD but it's ok!! we never got to talk about our insane cryomancer strategies like we said we would b/c we were the only two weirdos to grind that game but since he beat me at level 7 he has the official world record TM so that's insane but let it be known when i take his record and we finally get a summoning salt video i will be the winner in the end

i remember talking with zach and either one of us would be super busy with finals or he would be at a concert or something but when we did talk it would be fun and wed share weird stories like talking about [redacted]eimm or realizing that he like would tell me he got a b+ on an exam and it would be his worst grade or something but it was randomly dropped or something so he slayed the class JALSDKJSKA... and then i would say the same thing LOL otherwise the most memorable conversations id have w zach would be ones where, not going to expose, but it was relative to mentality within these games and what we both felt like we could take away from it + how it felt playing them at times

 

[Nuxl]

I’m probs gonna head to bed now, will read up again in the morning and make a vote last minute cause I haven’t decided yet

Ty all for dealing with me! I am sorry if I’ve been annoying LOL I’m hoping that these questions helped put the FTC train back on the track for some of y’all tho cause damn was it getting messy

thanks for saving this thread LOL