Survivor (Big) Survivor: Starhome

[vooper]

Just woke up and have read everything I missed, ty guys!

I’ll quickly throw in that I don’t think you even necessarily misplayed during f7-5 Tommy, even if my jury vote could have been decided easier if you played differently I’m, once again, aware that I’m unique in that regard like I said before.

the things I was not thrilled abt in your game is that you could have made that end game so much better for you had f10-8 gone differently, which you had the power to do 100%, because all of those votes feel like they were only +ev for the perceived threats

 

[vooper]

So I just had a thought, and idk if this is going to go down well or not but it is on the topic of perception so here we go: who were people worried about at f8 and just how much were people concerned about eli directly:

1) Torin felt he was the best in the game and felt he could beat eli or anyone, according to his final words

2) Clouds knew he was number one threat and priority vote out, I am going to assume he felt he could beat eli

3) Obviously I felt I could beat eli

4) Ryo felt like he could beat eli, though he wanted him out it was a secondary wish

5) Tbz also had eli as secondary preferring clouds and torin, he spoke to me about trying and beleiving he could pull votes in my ideal f4 and have a chance. Although he didn't actually contest this ftc, at the time he seemed to believe he could beat eli.

6) I am not sure zach believes he could beat eli, but clearly some jurors believe he had a shot, for example janzen said he would have vote him or brandon if he was here now instead of eli. I am not quite sure what zach's perception was but considering he actually could beat eli, I am going to give a half point.

7) Psy, I don't know how he felt honestly so I will say maybe he didn't think he could beat eli, though that could be wrong but for benefit of the doubt I will say he saw eli as a threat to be fair.

That being said, some people in the game at f8 may have seen eli as a bigger threat than others, perhaps ryo or me or tbz, but 5.5/7 people believed they could either beat him or had an actual good shot of beating him regardless of his overinflating threat level on jury.

So to end this comment I will say; I don't think eli was really a priority boot beyond people worrying he is against them, or seemingly an easy vote who couldn't defend themself. For the most part everyone perceived that they, if push came to shove, could beat eli. Of course you can call people dumb or whatever for their perception, but this is the truth of people's feelings in game at f8 I believe. If I am wrong about anything here, feel free to correct me.

Ofc everyone would be confident enough in their own games that they can win ftc? The point is that you should be aiming for the FTC that increases your chances the most tho— and I’m sure that even clouds/torin agree that an ideal FTC for them would never have Eli

it’s a very strange take for you to walk up here and say “I felt confident I could beat Eli and so did ryo, and that’s 2v1 so you lowlyjurors should just accept that as fact” which I Know isn’t exactly what you are saying but has been the tone for a lot of these posts

Ofc you’d say that you could! That’s what you have to do at FTC!

 

[Duskfall98]

Just woke up and have read everything I missed, ty guys!

I’ll quickly throw in that I don’t think you even necessarily misplayed during f7-5 Tommy, even if my jury vote could have been decided easier if you played differently I’m, once again, aware that I’m unique in that regard like I said before.

the things I was not thrilled abt in your game is that you could have made that end game so much better for you had f10-8 gone differently, which you had the power to do 100%, because all of those votes feel like they were only +ev for the perceived threats

Makes sense, I do believe from F10 I did have multiple paths as I said and this did work out as I desired for better or worse. That being said had I spared zoa or totters, the game changes completely. I do think that my position weakens though I can still pull off plays and get stuff done.

It was also riskier which I'm sure you agree with, but from pov I do think I arrived at ftc with a group of people I believed I outplayed and could beat. Maybe I could have gone a different route while I had a lot of control to flip the game many different ways. That being said I am not convinced in such world's I can reliably force out clouds or torin for example. But we will never know, and while I believe my gamestate read at the time was solid, in an org you can always disagree and argue forever over what ifs. We probably both agree on that I'm sure.

 

[Duskfall98]

Ofc everyone would be confident enough in their own games that they can win ftc? The point is that you should be aiming for the FTC that increases your chances the most tho— and I’m sure that even clouds/torin agree that an ideal FTC for them would never have Eli

it’s a very strange take for you to walk up here and say “I felt confident I could beat Eli and so did ryo, and that’s 2v1 so you lowlyjurors should just accept that as fact” which I Know isn’t exactly what you are saying but has been the tone for a lot of these posts

Ofc you’d say that you could! That’s what you have to do at FTC!

I am not saying lowly jurors but you had asked questions about what it was like in game at the time, who was perceived as big threats and I was trying to provide insight.

Obviously jury doesn't have full info but I am just saying why I believe Eli has been exaggerated as a threat level in jury's perception compared to players. It isn't so obvious imo that everyone believes they can beat him, because I think personally that everyone in the game felt they lost to clouds and torin. As you say in a game such as survivor perception us everything and I don't think anyone considered Eli a big threat to their game at the time, is my only point. If this is useless info to you then I apologies for filling up ther thread again LMAO

 

[vooper]

I am not saying lowly jurors but you had asked questions about what it was like in game at the time, who was perceived as big threats and I was trying to provide insight.

Obviously jury doesn't have full info but I am just saying why I believe Eli has been exaggerated as a threat level in jury's perception compared to players. It isn't so obvious imo that everyone believes they can beat him, because I think personally that everyone in the game felt they lost to clouds and torin. As you say in a game such as survivor perception us everything and I don't think anyone considered Eli a big threat to their game at the time, is my only point. If this is useless info to you then I apologies for filling up ther thread again LMAO

The lowly jurors line mostly stemmed from one point where I believe you said smtg along the lines of “at some point jurors just have to put aside their pride” when talking about how you and ryo knew more abt Eli game than the jury

the rest of this post is helpful tho dw

 

[Duskfall98]

The lowly jurors line mostly stemmed from one point where I believe you said smtg along the lines of “at some point jurors just have to put aside their pride” when talking about how you and ryo knew more abt Eli game than the jury

the rest of this post is helpful tho dw

Yeah that was inappropriate to say. Though it wasn't really directed at jury as a whole. Moreso the people who locked in a vote at christmas and refused to even really hear people's speeches, despite not really knowing what even happened most of the game. I know it was wrong to say but in that moment I felt like I had played a good game and certain people weren't even giving me a fair shot. I don't mean to generalise and anyone who genuinely tries top critically think this and place the vote on who they feel played best I do appreciate. There is obviously a lot to grind through.

 

[TorinLegend]

This was a very beneficial discourse to read. It has made me consider doing a funny thing and attempting the challenge to see how long I take, and basing my vote off of that. We’ll see if I gain enough motivation for that before deadline though. Other than that, I enjoyed your answers and discussion.

 

[Nuxl]

for jurors and finalists: if the person you want to be voted here at FTC was named Anonymous, as well as their opponents, and their game was the exact same, but their out of game reputation was completely not a factor, would they still be worthy of your vote?

this has a lot to do with the 'perceived threat' thing

Pidge

i actually do think i would! here’s the thing, i really don’t think i was a perceived threat solely because of people insinuating that i sat on my ass and did nothing and had “pregame” to go off of

because people are viewing my game as something that just didn’t exist for some reason which i think is incredibly unfair - though i understand for the other finalists it’s probably just a way to twist a justification for their decision to take me, but i think saying that i had a horrid one at all isn’t really something to consider. ive went over this in my speech and can clarify if you think you need more information

because despite that, nobody wanted to sit next to me at the end. i was a visible threat - i had a hand by connecting with the other tribe at merge (which isn’t despite pregames) and people willing to vote with me or attempting to get me to flip a lot of the early merge, and i was part of good moves that got my threat level recognized! these were things that ultimately made multiple people wish to consider me a vote at 8.

no matter what, if someone says they perceived my threat level as “close to the bottom” near 8 this seems completely untrue, because their bulk of the argument of why i did not have a game is that the REASON i did not have a threat level at the start 8 is because they chose or were convinced to save me?? that seems completely hypocritical because the best part of my game was my positioning in the early-mid merge to accomplish or set up for various things later in the game, and it did get me recognized as someone that people like Zach and Psy felt they needed to take me out.

i worked my ass off to get here really, and i think there were definitive reasons that people wanted me out of the game that made sense beyond my name or tag or whatever. remember that the other finalists were basically guaranteed ftc because everybody wanted to take them at that point, UNTIL i won immunity at 5 disrupting their plans to kill me at the last moment. it was a choice of ordering they made and that i worked hard to ensure that i just got a few more chances, which others who had more agency because they had a weaker earlygame than i did and thus were likely easier fights compared to those in front of them.

 

[Nuxl]

i know you said you unlocked your vote already, but i'm just responding to other potential Eli voters, because i feel like the biggest thing he has going for him are perceived threat and f10.

yeah perceived threat versus ACTUAL threat is a thing to consider, but it's also something that can be cleared up to the jury at FTC. so that's what Tommy and Ryo have been doing, and i can really see their point about him sorta coasting and playing the third best game. i was on every tribe with Eli, except 1. he was obviously very busy, and i really got the impression he was very carefree about this game and was not able to put himself fully into it and play it to his full potential. maybe that all changed after my elimination? i don't know for sure because I wasn’t in the game, but there is a slight hint. he literally didn't have a speech ready at the start of this FTC. we were on Survivor break for 10 days! i don't fault anyone for doing stuff IRL with family and holidays stuff, but don't use that as an excuse. 10 days is a lot to have something ready, especially for someone that has to write papers all the time for school. to me that just exemplifies how he viewed and played this game.

i appreciate the criticism! honestly i was busy throughout the game tbh which i explained earlier but i do have full intents of winning this. and i really really did try to make it to ftc after you pitched that i would be a shield after i would vote you out, which i was. it was a better route than having another group swing the votes to their side that i didn’t really trust as much. i was an actual threat, which is why Zach and Psy wanted me out, and TBZ thought he was losing. The argument of Ryo and Tommy feeling like they can beat me because I’m not a threat is irrelevant, because I feel like I can beat Ryo and Tommy too! Their attempts to undermine my game are hard swings targeted towards making sure people think I didn’t have one, but i feel like throughout this FTC I’ve proven I have done things that made it to the end after an incredibly arduous road.

i was legitimately out of the house or preparing for my trip for 10 days or was on the trip, but I was able to get my speech done slightly over deadline (I can send you pictures if you want hahaha) I care a lot and I put a lot of effort thinking about what I would say over the holidays into making sure my speech was a good read - and I hoped that the 72h FTC would be a good way to catch up. I wasn’t lazy, but I was late because of other things that generally just compound my life.

 

[Nuxl]

So I just had a thought, and idk if this is going to go down well or not but it is on the topic of perception so here we go: who were people worried about at f8 and just how much were people concerned about eli directly:

1) Torin felt he was the best in the game and felt he could beat eli or anyone, according to his final words

2) Clouds knew he was number one threat and priority vote out, I am going to assume he felt he could beat eli

3) Obviously I felt I could beat eli

4) Ryo felt like he could beat eli, though he wanted him out it was a secondary wish

5) Tbz also had eli as secondary preferring clouds and torin, he spoke to me about trying and beleiving he could pull votes in my ideal f4 and have a chance. Although he didn't actually contest this ftc, at the time he seemed to believe he could beat eli.

6) I am not sure zach believes he could beat eli, but clearly some jurors believe he had a shot, for example janzen said he would have vote him or brandon if he was here now instead of eli. I am not quite sure what zach's perception was but considering he actually could beat eli, I am going to give a half point.

7) Psy, I don't know how he felt honestly so I will say maybe he didn't think he could beat eli, though that could be wrong but for benefit of the doubt I will say he saw eli as a threat to be fair.

That being said, some people in the game at f8 may have seen eli as a bigger threat than others, perhaps ryo or me or tbz, but 5.5/7 people believed they could either beat him or had an actual good shot of beating him regardless of his overinflating threat level on jury.

So to end this comment I will say; I don't think eli was really a priority boot beyond people worrying he is against them, or seemingly an easy vote who couldn't defend themself. For the most part everyone perceived that they, if push came to shove, could beat eli. Of course you can call people dumb or whatever for their perception, but this is the truth of people's feelings in game at f8 I believe. If I am wrong about anything here, feel free to correct me.

Zach/Psy/TBZ all felt like they needed to vote me out, with TBZ sticking behind “torin first me later”. I don’t think they necessarily thought they could beat me and I think there were arguments that showed that they couldn’t, or would lose to you for reasons you would probably describe (Zach misvoted 9-8 which was important for dictating his status in the lategame and could never get me out as much as he tried - i am unsure what jury thinks really because that’s the name of the game). Zach wanted Ryo at the end because he thought he could beat him, so I guess everyone wanted to beat Ryo - and most people thought you were playing for a group of people to win and with your utr early merge people thought you were a decent opponent. (or now it’s just seemingly “either Ryo or yourself based on this FTC and your similar endgames”)

Regardless I don’t think it’s that Ryo and you felt like you could beat me because I really feel like I can beat you too so okay??

I think Clouds and Torin felt like they thought I was the next biggest shark after them, but they probably felt like they could beat me so sure.

But I think the object of the question is - why was I the pitch at either of these two votes if I didn’t have a good case for myself at the end? Why did everyone but Tommy want me out before FTC (and they weren’t able to), but they could never get it? These weren’t liberties you guys had.

 

[Nuxl]

meeting parents for sushi so bbl - if anyone has any quick questions catch me and I’ll respond asap!

 

[Duskfall98]

Zach/Psy/TBZ all felt like they needed to vote me out, with TBZ sticking behind “torin first me later”. I don’t think they necessarily thought they could beat me and I think there were arguments that showed that they couldn’t, or would lose to you for reasons you would probably describe (Zach misvoted 9-8 which was important for dictating his status in the lategame and could never get me out as much as he tried - i am unsure what jury thinks really because that’s the name of the game). Zach wanted Ryo at the end because he thought he could beat him, so I guess everyone wanted to beat Ryo - and most people thought you were playing for a group of people to win and with your utr early merge people thought you were a decent opponent. (or now it’s just seemingly “either Ryo or yourself based on this FTC and your similar endgames”)

Regardless I don’t think it’s that Ryo and you felt like you could beat me because I really feel like I can beat you too so okay??

I think Clouds and Torin felt like they thought I was the next biggest shark after them, but they probably felt like they could beat me so sure.

But I think the object of the question is - why was I the pitch at either of these two votes if I didn’t have a good case for myself at the end? Why did everyone but Tommy want me out before FTC (and they weren’t able to), but they could never get it? These weren’t liberties you guys had.

All of this has already been discussed so for the sake of jury's time I will refrain from going over it all again, unless one of them requests me to.

 

[RyoDio]

I feel like writing a response to everything eli has just said but we’d just go in circles, I’m sure he feels the same way

So instead of trying to disassemble *every little thing* I’ll just respond that if Eli and I switched places and playstyles this game, I would’ve been seen as a goat who maybe had potential next time around

I’ve stated I do think Eli being Eli is a double edged sword because fear over his pregame/potential friends in pondy could have gotten him booted far earlier than his play merited which sucks and is unfair.

However that is why the double edge exists, because now that he’s in FTC people less invested in the game, or convinced prior to this FTC, will ride the “Eli was seen as a huge threat all game and therefore deserves to win” train without looking at why he was seen as a threat (reputation and challenge ability, not social and strategic endeavors)

I will directly say to him that (I don’t think Tommy did and) I don’t claim that he had the lowest threat perception at f7, but that he played the worst game at f7 as was a “threat” for different reasons listed above.

I doubt I’ll reply to many more stray comments from other finalists unless they are specifically about me or I disagree with them too much to let them slide.

All in all both this comment and what Eli said above were both stated before in the thread- to jurors if they remain undecided I recommend continuing to ask questions or just rereading the speeches(unless you’re voting for tbz then just vote for him ez)

 

[RyoDio]

Zach/Psy/TBZ all felt like they needed to vote me out, with TBZ sticking behind “torin first me later”. I don’t think they necessarily thought they could beat me and I think there were arguments that showed that they couldn’t, or would lose to you for reasons you would probably describe (Zach misvoted 9-8 which was important for dictating his status in the lategame and could never get me out as much as he tried - i am unsure what jury thinks really because that’s the name of the game). Zach wanted Ryo at the end because he thought he could beat him, so I guess everyone wanted to beat Ryo - and most people thought you were playing for a group of people to win and with your utr early merge people thought you were a decent opponent. (or now it’s just seemingly “either Ryo or yourself based on this FTC and your similar endgames”)

Regardless I don’t think it’s that Ryo and you felt like you could beat me because I really feel like I can beat you too so okay??

I think Clouds and Torin felt like they thought I was the next biggest shark after them, but they probably felt like they could beat me so sure.

But I think the object of the question is - why was I the pitch at either of these two votes if I didn’t have a good case for myself at the end? Why did everyone but Tommy want me out before FTC (and they weren’t able to), but they could never get it? These weren’t liberties you guys had.

Since you asked a question, torin played a better game than you and taking Psy out at f8 put me in a untouchable vote deciding position.

The reason I didn’t want you at FTC is because you were a threat, but a threat for the wrong reasons(reputation as seen in my double edged sword analogy, and challenge prowess which I think is minor but people are free to value). Which is also why I took torin out first, because I was more comfortable with you here than him.

You said its redundant as a point that Tommy-tbz-myself all think you played worse than the 3 of us individually because you naturally also think you played better than us. However your primary point seems to be as Tommy outlined earlier, “they all needed me out and knew it; I deserve to win because I made it to the end” which is why it’s evident for us to state we played better than you, to me you being here wasn’t ideal but it wasn’t a condition I needed to win either, it’s secondary to me. And I know you feel the same exact way towards me despite going “everyone wanted you at FTC” you can reread your messages to Tommy or ask Zach during f5 if i was wanted in FTC and why

 

[Nuxl]

I dunno, because I think outright trying to invalidate my game is quite disingenuous.

If any jurors feel like they have anything to clean up w me please let me know and I’ll try to get it asap!

It’s fine to say I played worse games than Clouds and Torin but I think I set myself up in a position where I was looking pretty good when I made the end? This is where I think I played really well beforehand, but it doesn’t change that I was still thrown out as a target near the end and had to take measurements to save myself.

People are taking a stretch and saying that I’m only here because of my reputation which is incredibly unfair because literally there are other people in decisive votes that aren’t in FTC I had to work on otherwise I just wouldn’t be here. My sole involvement in laying seeds in the early merge, actually fucking making sure 10 happened, and surviving 8 and 6 is not off the backs of one, (or two people) only?? as they claim, because quite literally everyone else but Tommy WAS or was strongly considering going to vote me until they received a pitch, or I had to get people TO work with me even after my threat level or earlier actions in the game that might be negatively impactful for their games. That is 100% the case no matter how you look at it. And I don’t feel like it’s fair to attribute “how the fuck did this guy survive” to “his game sucked because pregame and don’t listen to him” hahaha

Even if you think that I’m the easiest FTC at that point for either person here, idk if that’s necessarily true? Firstly it’s been established that I think if they show up to one involving Zach it really doesn’t mean Zach is auto-win. I’m not going to explain more than this but I do think either would have a case that would more effectively let them get votes as opposed to him being tied to TBZ and setting themselves up in a different way. This is why they all wanted to cut me over Zach because they felt like he was the easier beat, and now they’re just sort of twisting the fact that a few mentioned Zach had a decent chance into “maybe cutting Zach was the right call!” Psy was also seen as less than a threat (sorry boo) and was more than willing to work with Zach near the end, but I don’t really think that means that there were other routes to get a tbz/Tommy/ryo + 1 FTC that two of them desperately didn’t want me in, especially with Clouds and Torin being malleable at 7 and the agency of TBZs advantage was particularly relevant.

Though I understand that everyone wants to win, and that they feel like they could win, I think I’ve established myself as someone different with my own reasons to sneak into this FTC. They also thought they could win in an FTC without me there, but I made it despite those odds

 

[RyoDio]

I dunno, because I think outright trying to invalidate my game is quite disingenuous.

If any jurors feel like they have anything to clean up w me please let me know and I’ll try to get it asap!

It’s fine to say I played worse games than Clouds and Torin but I think I set myself up in a position where I was looking pretty good when I made the end? This is where I think I played really well beforehand, but it doesn’t change that I was still thrown out as a target near the end and had to take measurements to save myself.

People are taking a stretch and saying that I’m only here because of my reputation which is incredibly unfair because literally there are other people in decisive votes that aren’t in FTC I had to work on otherwise I just wouldn’t be here. My sole involvement in laying seeds in the early merge, actually fucking making sure 10 happened, and surviving 8 and 6 is not off the backs of one, (or two people) only?? as they claim, because quite literally everyone else but Tommy WAS or was strongly considering going to vote me until they received a pitch, or I had to get people TO work with me even after my threat level or earlier actions in the game that might be negatively impactful for their games. That is 100% the case no matter how you look at it. And I don’t feel like it’s fair to attribute “how the fuck did this guy survive” to “his game sucked because pregame and don’t listen to him” hahaha

Even if you think that I’m the easiest FTC at that point for either person here, idk if that’s necessarily true? Firstly it’s been established that I think if they show up to one involving Zach it really doesn’t mean Zach is auto-win. I’m not going to explain more than this but I do think either would have a case that would more effectively let them get votes as opposed to him being tied to TBZ and setting themselves up in a different way. This is why they all wanted to cut me over Zach because they felt like he was the easier beat, and now they’re just sort of twisting the fact that a few mentioned Zach had a decent chance into “maybe cutting Zach was the right call!” Psy was also seen as less than a threat (sorry boo) and was more than willing to work with Zach near the end, but I don’t really think that means that there were other routes to get a tbz/Tommy/ryo + 1 FTC that two of them desperately didn’t want me in, especially with Clouds and Torin being malleable at 7 and the agency of TBZs advantage was particularly relevant.

Though I understand that everyone wants to win, and that they feel like they could win, I think I’ve established myself as someone different with my own reasons to sneak into this FTC. They also thought they could win in an FTC without me there, but I made it despite those odds

Your game didn’t suck “because pregame”, you’re also not here because of your rep- you would’ve probably been more guaranteed here without your rep. Thats just a big reason your apparent threat level came to fruition.

My comments on you at f5 are limited to that you’d go if you weren’t immune and TO ME you would’ve been gone for different reasons than what you described. As well as I’m aware that you pushed me hard at F5 with Zach naturally in your corner and couldn’t get me out. (Something that isn’t new info) I would’ve preferred Zach here over you for reasons I described as well and never did the “cutting Zach was the right call” thing.


Idk why there’s a “(sorry boo)” after you saying Psy was considered less of a threat, like uh yeah? Have you not read anything written about the f8 decision and the reasons behind it?

You can claim you were “desperately unwanted” in FTC all you want but “desperate” or anything implying necessity is certainly not the word I would use in light of the events that occurred.

GJ getting to FTC Eli

 

[RyoDio]

I also feel the same with answering juror questions because I’ll probably be around until deadline : )

 

[Nuxl]

Your game didn’t suck “because pregame”, you’re also not here because of your rep- you would’ve probably been more guaranteed here without your rep. Thats just a big reason your apparent threat level came to fruition.

My comments on you at f5 are limited to that you’d go if you weren’t immune and TO ME you would’ve been gone for different reasons than what you described. As well as I’m aware that you pushed me hard at F5 with Zach naturally in your corner and couldn’t get me out. (Something that isn’t new info) I would’ve preferred Zach here over you for reasons I described as well and never did the “cutting Zach was the right call” thing.


Idk why there’s a “(sorry boo)” after you saying Psy was considered less of a threat, like uh yeah? Have you not read anything written about the f8 decision and the reasons behind it?

You can claim you were “desperately unwanted” in FTC all you want but “desperate” or anything implying necessity is certainly not the word I would use in light of the events that occurred.

GJ getting to FTC Eli

congrats on FTC too!! don’t understand the passive aggression here haha man it’s all in good fun

i mainly just posit that i think contrarily if you wanted to secure a better FTC for yourself, because people wanted to take you as they thought they could beat you, that you would’ve voted me out at either 8 or 6 (and tbz was making good pace in the fic so it’s not really that certain if torin would’ve won! but i guess he will see) and that you’d be able to delineate yourself. I think you took the easier road especially since you and Tommy’s arguments seem to be more focused on demeriting my game, then claiming ownership of the others tactics because you were in similar spots.

so in that regard, me making it here is a harder road i had to fight for and doing nothing would’ve led to my elimination, whereas you and Tommy (and tbz) similarly devised a pact to make it there together due to your regressing threat levels at the time and acted similarly under that operation in endgame! which makes sense, because FTC with a last being different would be, uh, completely sent in a different direction and expose more unique involvement in various phases in the game

but more people wanted me out because of what i had done in this game so far, which is a big distinction than being near guaranteed it and having people consider you an easier fight - which was true given how many people wanted to vote me! you also wanted me out as well because ive done pretty good things in this game, no matter as you claim that i had just been sitting there, except i convinced you not to.

I explained F5 already but that’s relative to endgame and I was more surprised I made it to the end when I really shouldn’t have imo

 

[Duskfall98]

Btw if jury had any final questions I am still open and available, don't know if you guys are done though

 

[Nuxl]

already mentioned but super down to answer anything else

 

[Tidal Otter]

This FTC could not have been more poorly scheduled for me and having to have read 10 forum pages of discussion in one sitting physically pained me... (10 day break of me having absolutely nothing to do followed by coming back to campus and having 2398432987 things to do and then "oh yea FTC is here btw :)")

Anyway congratulations to you four, very well deserved. And a word for each of you:

Ryo:
Ryo Ryo Ryo Ryo, I love ya mate. We had been tribing since the halfway point of the game which is bizarre but quite fun. Which made it sting oh so much more when my following Electorates informed me you were one of the few who cast the vote to throw me out. Additionally, the other Electorates sure had a lot of shit to throw at you and your game, but I don't really see it. In any case, you made it to FTC so congrats.

Eli:
We were kinda on and off throughout but I liked you! You coming to me after my flip knowing for sure it was me was absolutely hilarious. The other players sure thought you played an amazing game throughout, although I'm not sure I ever witnessed it myself. After reading through this though, I'll give you that too.

Tommy:
Not sure if I have much to say here but will comment on your "Totter was never gonna work with me" point. For starters, there was just a complete lack of conversation and virtually no game talk the entire season. For anyone that votes socially-influenced, that's not a great look. You very well could've been an ally, but the lack of anything really is most of the reason which caused me to flip originally. Don't go strutting around acting like getting rid of me was some big play when we really should've been allies from the start. Your poor attempts at socializing cost you that.

TBZ:
Also not much to say here. I loved our shitposting sometimes. Really made the game enjoyable when no one else would. But uh, that's all there really was. Game talk was abysmal after my flip and I found it harder and harder to even consider you an ally despite putting my game on the line for it. It was simply not there anymore. Anyway, after this is done, I would love to play some Unite with you.

Best of luck to you all; it's been a pleasure.

 

[Duskfall98]

Tommy:
Not sure if I have much to say here but will comment on your "Totter was never gonna work with me" point. For starters, there was just a complete lack of conversation and virtually no game talk the entire season. For anyone that votes socially-influenced, that's not a great look. You very well could've been an ally, but the lack of anything really is most of the reason which caused me to flip originally. Don't go strutting around acting like getting rid of me was some big play when we really should've been allies from the start. Your poor attempts at socializing cost you that.

I think you might have misunderstood me. I believed this was all true by the time I voted you. It was definitely possible we could have allied earlier in the game of course, it just didn't happen because I had gone other routes. That being said if at f9 you wanted to work with me then I guess that was my mistake, but from my pov you had several other strong players you were much closer with and you were definitely the person I was least close with.

We could have allied and maybe spoke more, but just didn't and that is nothing personal from my side or yours in my opinion. No one can be best allies with everyone in any set game, and we just didn't ever become good allies. Nothing personal here but thanks for your insight. I just felt by f9 you were the person least close to me and I think you probably agree with that, given how you feel about me not reaching out to you enough.

 

[Duskfall98]

So I believe deadline is in about 3 hours, and everyone has probably mostly made up their mind for their vote. Although this ftc got a bit chaotic and definitely everyone ranted a lot, I just want to thank all the jurors who asked questions and really tried to solve who deserved to win. I do think the format probably hindered the process in many ways, which is unfortunate but I am glad a lot of people seemed to at least try their best after a long break.

Obviously it can be hard and although I think I am deserving, regardless the effort to find and vote correctly is something I appreciate. I hope that no one goes away from this with bad blood between them.

 

[Nuxl]

idk if anybody has anything more to ask but i have a lecture real soon so what that means is i'll be constantly refreshing until then WAJLJSD

i think i've laid out my game a TON over the past few days. i won't beat it over your guys' head anymore but i am truly very proud of how i played!! it's landed me at the end, which i don't think anybody including myself expected with how the pace of this game went. and if you're unsure please read everything over again bc i think i have a winning game on my back! though truly now, the fate of everyone here is in your guys' hands so good luck when making the final casting vote.

thanks to the other finalists who made this ftc very fun for me, even if they might not feel the same! i don't hold any resentment for you guys for taking the route you did with this ftc because it was probably the most effective thing you could've done to make this a high intensity ftc.

finally thank u to the people i met and played with throughout this game, because compared to last year in last bigvivor i think my mentality has shifted a lot and ive really really enjoyed my time playing, unlike last year where i was just bored and reluctant to maintain relationships with people. it's the people here that i've met (and also re-met i guess!!) that have been the most fun for me and i genuinely enjoyed my conversations w everyone and honestly at the end of the day i feel like i've made a good amount of friends here! feel free to send me a message after the game anytime, i'd love to stay in touch without any game in the way after all this is over

 

[RyoDio]

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congrats on FTC too!! don’t understand the passive aggression here haha man it’s all in good fun

i mainly just posit that i think contrarily if you wanted to secure a better FTC for yourself, because people wanted to take you as they thought they could beat you, that you would’ve voted me out at either 8 or 6 (and tbz was making good pace in the fic so it’s not really that certain if torin would’ve won! but i guess he will see) and that you’d be able to delineate yourself. I think you took the easier road especially since you and Tommy’s arguments seem to be more focused on demeriting my game, then claiming ownership of the others tactics because you were in similar spots.

so in that regard, me making it here is a harder road i had to fight for and doing nothing would’ve led to my elimination, whereas you and Tommy (and tbz) similarly devised a pact to make it there together due to your regressing threat levels at the time and acted similarly under that operation in endgame! which makes sense, because FTC with a last being different would be, uh, completely sent in a different direction and expose more unique involvement in various phases in the game

but more people wanted me out because of what i had done in this game so far, which is a big distinction than being near guaranteed it and having people consider you an easier fight - which was true given how many people wanted to vote me! you also wanted me out as well because ive done pretty good things in this game, no matter as you claim that i had just been sitting there, except i convinced you not to.

I explained F5 already but that’s relative to endgame and I was more surprised I made it to the end when I really shouldn’t have imo

I meant it : (