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NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Dude what is even happening

Why are people massclaiming

Why are people massclaiming such SUS roles that don't offer guilties

Unvote Dyo DLE's claim means that DLE is always the vote before Dyo here, right? And I'm not voting for a claimed Doc.

Admittedly there's obviously a chance that scum kill failed for other reasons but I just don't see voting on that today.

Where this leaves us is that the remaining Laurel voters are: RyoDio, Nuxl, Texas Cloverleaf, Caffine, Psypsypsy, Celever

Texas we're never voting here due to the Haruno connection, though I think calling him 'conftown' is a stretch.

Ryodio I'm nearly certain is clear now, this slot has moved up an infinite number of cleanliness tiers today.

Psypsypsy I still think is clear.

That leaves Nuxl, Caffine, and Celever as the potential pushes who were on Laurel. Honestly I don't love voting any of them here because they're all active and contributing and I guess if Dyo is town then the push on Laurel is less inherently scummy (though still not convinced of this at all, just saying I don't think Dyo should be the vote in light of DLE's claim, strange as it was). Also Celever kinda claimed though JOAT without many specifics attached is a bit shady.

DLE claim makes M2H look worse but I refuse to believe I am so bad at mafia that I miscleared M2H. I actually still think that Dyo is scum in my heart and that scum kill failed due to a RB from an anonymous source who hasn't yet, which would mean that M2H wasn't like 'trying to kill Dyo before he got inspected'. So while I'm down to look at M2H more in light of this new information, I'm never down to vote him here.

I honestly think Drookez and Dave are the two best votes here. Drookez' role really doesn't align with Celevers' (assuming he is telling the truth) in terms of power, I'm kinda seeing what Texas is saying about the 3p potential. Dave I'm pretty sure is just lurking mafia at this point after re-reading the thread, and I think he's the most likely bet as Haruno's killer now as well.

TINFOIL MOMENT though: What if DLE is actually town but is Jailkeeper (whether he knows it or not), and stopped Dyo from killing rather than saving Dyo last night? I know this is an absurd theory but it'd align more with my reads and mean I'm a genius level player so therefore I am going to continue entertaining it :D

Vote Drookez we really need to coalesce around a vote and this is the best option right now IMO. Would love a vote count though.

- Friendly Hydra
 
UncleSam said:
Dude what is even happening

Why are people massclaiming

Why are people massclaiming such SUS roles that don't offer guilties

Unvote Dyo DLE's claim means that DLE is always the vote before Dyo here, right? And I'm not voting for a claimed Doc.

Admittedly there's obviously a chance that scum kill failed for other reasons but I just don't see voting on that today.

Where this leaves us is that the remaining Laurel voters are: RyoDio, Nuxl, Texas Cloverleaf, Caffine, Psypsypsy, Celever

Texas we're never voting here due to the Haruno connection, though I think calling him 'conftown' is a stretch.

Ryodio I'm nearly certain is clear now, this slot has moved up an infinite number of cleanliness tiers today.

Psypsypsy I still think is clear.

That leaves Nuxl, Caffine, and Celever as the potential pushes who were on Laurel. Honestly I don't love voting any of them here because they're all active and contributing and I guess if Dyo is town then the push on Laurel is less inherently scummy (though still not convinced of this at all, just saying I don't think Dyo should be the vote in light of DLE's claim, strange as it was). Also Celever kinda claimed though JOAT without many specifics attached is a bit shady.

DLE claim makes M2H look worse but I refuse to believe I am so bad at mafia that I miscleared M2H. I actually still think that Dyo is scum in my heart and that scum kill failed due to a RB from an anonymous source who hasn't yet, which would mean that M2H wasn't like 'trying to kill Dyo before he got inspected'. So while I'm down to look at M2H more in light of this new information, I'm never down to vote him here.

I honestly think Drookez and Dave are the two best votes here. Drookez' role really doesn't align with Celevers' (assuming he is telling the truth) in terms of power, I'm kinda seeing what Texas is saying about the 3p potential. Dave I'm pretty sure is just lurking mafia at this point after re-reading the thread, and I think he's the most likely bet as Haruno's killer now as well.

TINFOIL MOMENT though: What if DLE is actually town but is Jailkeeper (whether he knows it or not), and stopped Dyo from killing rather than saving Dyo last night? I know this is an absurd theory but it'd align more with my reads and mean I'm a genius level player so therefore I am going to continue entertaining it :D

Vote Drookez we really need to coalesce around a vote and this is the best option right now IMO. Would love a vote count though.

- Friendly Hydra
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What about Caff or Eli votes?

Like it’s odd that you sorta just didn’t give thoughts on them

Side note I hate how solved tribe a is becoming while tribe b just is not making any progress but whatever
 
realiti said:
we should never vote drookez here, he is literally an ability motivator, if tommy gave mafia a role wiper and an ability motivate I don't know what to say
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Apparently, the consensus is that im a third party which is honestly a big ????? from my perspective. IDK what kinda third party would be given an empower and motivator just to “pretend to be town” like that seems very very far-fetched. There’s so much more things that would be better if that logic were true (fruit vendor anyone???)

this brings me to the second point, even nothing will ever convince you that i am not third party, why are you prioritizing me over, perhaps, the mafia? I see many people (that believe i am 3p) say i might be able to win with town, if so why would you vote me? (Note: im NOT 3p, this paragraph mainly applies to people who will just NOT believe i am town)

Now that I clear up about the 3p thing, I have already explained why I cannot be mafia-sides. Like what kinda mafia has a motivator and empower???! Theylll just target within themselves when they can and idle the rest of the game if they cannot. A role like mafia cop would be much more fitting imo.
 
Drookez said:
Apparently, the consensus is that im a third party which is honestly a big ????? from my perspective. IDK what kinda third party would be given an empower and motivator just to “pretend to be town” like that seems very very far-fetched. There’s so much more things that would be better if that logic were true (fruit vendor anyone???)

this brings me to the second point, even nothing will ever convince you that i am not third party, why are you prioritizing me over, perhaps, the mafia? I see many people (that believe i am 3p) say i might be able to win with town, if so why would you vote me? (Note: im NOT 3p, this paragraph mainly applies to people who will just NOT believe i am town)

Now that I clear up about the 3p thing, I have already explained why I cannot be mafia-sides. Like what kinda mafia has a motivator and empower???! Theylll just target within themselves when they can and idle the rest of the game if they cannot. A role like mafia cop would be much more fitting imo.
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We can’t vote Dyo out because DLE has claimed Dyo is town with his role. If Dyo is scum DLE is always lying, so if you think Dyo is scum vote for DLE; DLE could be lying with town!Dyo.

But don’t vote for DLE, because he’s an uncced doctor. That’s a v bad vote.

That’s why Sam voted you, because Dyo and DLE were just taken off the table and we’re so damn fixated on Tribe A that taking out a 3p on Tribe A is somehow appealing now.

You need to form a new push that isn’t on Dyo / DLE to save yourself. I’m eager to see it and will

Unvote

in wait.
 
Celever said:
What about Caff or Eli votes?

Like it’s odd that you sorta just didn’t give thoughts on them

Side note I hate how solved tribe a is becoming while tribe b just is not making any progress but whatever
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I did say that I lumped you all into the bin of 'I don't want to vote them today because they're active / contributing and I think we have enough better lurking options'.

I'm out for the night, I'll try to check on my phone close to deadline so I can swap votes and make sure we don't tie but no guarantees. I think we should always be voting Dave or Drookez here but really just getting a consensus target is the most important thing.

- Friendly Hydra
 
Celever said:
We can’t vote Dyo out because DLE has claimed Dyo is town with his role. If Dyo is scum DLE is always lying, so if you think Dyo is scum vote for DLE; DLE could be lying with town!Dyo.

But don’t vote for DLE, because he’s an uncced doctor. That’s a v bad vote.

That’s why Sam voted you, because Dyo and DLE were just taken off the table and we’re so damn fixated on Tribe A that taking out a 3p on Tribe A is somehow appealing now.

You need to form a new push that isn’t on Dyo / DLE to save yourself. I’m eager to see it and will

Unvote

in wait.
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Don't love this post because it kind of screams of 'post some forced reasoning so I can sheep it'. Also I think Dave is the best alternative for today unless we wanna go wild and swing it to like Spiderz - which actually I'm lowkey down for except that I feel bad that part of my reasoning (i.e. him falling off the face of the planet randomly when there's no pressure on him) seems to be explained by his missing medication the last few cycles.

Actually leaving now.

- Friendly Hydra
 
Celever said:
We can’t vote Dyo out because DLE has claimed Dyo is town with his role. If Dyo is scum DLE is always lying, so if you think Dyo is scum vote for DLE; DLE could be lying with town!Dyo.

But don’t vote for DLE, because he’s an uncced doctor. That’s a v bad vote.

That’s why Sam voted you, because Dyo and DLE were just taken off the table and we’re so damn fixated on Tribe A that taking out a 3p on Tribe A is somehow appealing now.

You need to form a new push that isn’t on Dyo / DLE to save yourself. I’m eager to see it and will

Unvote

in wait.
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Or maybe you can reevaluate your voting choice about why you are restricting yourself to a few people that for all we know can both be town??? Like I don’t understand why we need to vote x or y what about like… the rest of the game?
 
Celever said:
We can’t vote Dyo out because DLE has claimed Dyo is town with his role. If Dyo is scum DLE is always lying, so if you think Dyo is scum vote for DLE; DLE could be lying with town!Dyo.

But don’t vote for DLE, because he’s an uncced doctor. That’s a v bad vote.

That’s why Sam voted you, because Dyo and DLE were just taken off the table and we’re so damn fixated on Tribe A that taking out a 3p on Tribe A is somehow appealing now.

You need to form a new push that isn’t on Dyo / DLE to save yourself. I’m eager to see it and will

Unvote

in wait.
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why are you acting like drookez is already done for, and why did you basically not address any of his points
 
Drookez said:
Or maybe you can reevaluate your voting choice about why you are restricting yourself to a few people that for all we know can both be town??? Like I don’t understand why we need to vote x or y what about like… the rest of the game?
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I… have no idea why this is targeted at me. Me and Psy have been the only people trying to move discussion away from just focusing on Tribe A.

Please also advocate for that because I agree lol
 
realiti said:
why are you acting like drookez is already done for, and why did you basically not address any of his points
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None of this post is valid. His point was “my role isn’t mafia-like” which no one thinks it is and “target mafia instead of 3p” which I was trying to get him to do. Drookez is still on Dyo, who is unvotable today, so I was trying to get him to move. Not that complex.

If deadline were in like 2 hours then Drookez almost def dies based on thread direction so that’s why. Discussion stagnated again and I don’t see a seismic shift in the period up until deadline really
 
Celever said:
I… have no idea why this is targeted at me. Me and Psy have been the only people trying to move discussion away from just focusing on Tribe A.

Please also advocate for that because I agree lol
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Mainly stemming from your earlier post where you voted me because “im [yourself] not mafia and i think dyo is townier than Drookez” not actually because you think i’m mafia/3p. It seems like that vote was just going along with the flow of who’s actually getting voted rather than from a perspective of “i think this person is actually mafia/3p”.
 
Drookez said:
Mainly stemming from your earlier post where you voted me because “im [yourself] not mafia and i think dyo is townier than Drookez” not actually because you think i’m mafia/3p. It seems like that vote was just going along with the flow of who’s actually getting voted rather than from a perspective of “i think this person is actually mafia/3p”.
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Tbf I thought you were 3p at that time and was the person bringing that up.

Anyway it’s irrelevant, I’m gonna sleep soon gl convincing everyone
 
Celever said:
None of this post is valid. His point was “my role isn’t mafia-like” which no one thinks it is and “target mafia instead of 3p” which I was trying to get him to do. Drookez is still on Dyo, who is unvotable today, so I was trying to get him to move. Not that complex.

If deadline were in like 2 hours then Drookez almost def dies based on thread direction so that’s why. Discussion stagnated again and I don’t see a seismic shift in the period up until deadline really
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Question: You said this like im 100% confirmed a 3p which cannot be farther than the truth. Im also confused when you say you’re trying to get me to “target maf instead of 3p” wdym? I never said dyo was 3p - very confused here. Also your way of trying to get me to move is honestly really confusing like shouldn’t you start a wagon on someone else if you want me to move???

also your second paragraph to me just seems like “yeah everyone wanna vote Drookez and he’s probably dying so im fine voting Drookez”’which is the whole exact point about how i think you’re voting just to go with the flow rather than who you think is actually mafia/3p.
 
Drookez said:
Question: You said this like im 100% confirmed a 3p which cannot be farther than the truth. Im also confused when you say you’re trying to get me to “target maf instead of 3p” wdym? I never said dyo was 3p - very confused here. Also your way of trying to get me to move is honestly really confusing like shouldn’t you start a wagon on someone else if you want me to move???

also your second paragraph to me just seems like “yeah everyone wanna vote Drookez and he’s probably dying so im fine voting Drookez”’which is the whole exact point about how i think you’re voting just to go with the flow rather than who you think is actually mafia/3p.
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do you just want to vote him with me
 
Celever said:
Tbf I thought you were 3p at that time and was the person bringing that up.

Anyway it’s irrelevant, I’m gonna sleep soon gl convincing everyone
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okay im sorry but the last sentence seals it. How is it irrelevant? Honestly you just seem content to see me go without actually trying to scumhunt or start a wagon and nothing you have done proves to me you aren’t just going with the flow cause it’s the easy thing to do.

Unvote Dyo, Vote Celever

If you want me to move, then I shall do so.
 
I’ve probably stated why im not mafia/3p too many times today but I will gladly answer any questions or concerns anyone still has. All i’m saying is that if I do indeed regrettably go, please do not just treat it as business as usual. My role is 100% what ive claimed (obviously you will see it if im voted) and there is literally no details im hiding. Please use it as a guide about what went wrong and whether the wagon could be mafia motivated. This isn’t a “i give up post” because i still believe i have strong reasoning to convince why im town. Im just… these reads are very questionable to me.
 
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