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NOC Bigvivor Mafia Game Thread Day 5

Celever said:
Ryo was blocked N2. In the much more probable event (IMO) that blocker is scum, there at conf 2 scum in tribe b.

I doubt there’s role compression of a blocker and a wiper
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I'm not so sure I go along with that one. For one the same person could have done the kill and roleblocked. For two, I think a roleblocker is a bit more likely town than role wiper. On the other hand, the presence of a town roleblocker would strongly point to the lack of a town doctor and would hence suggest that the mafia kill failed due to the triggerman being roleblocked as opposed to the kill being docced against.

Not sure what to think on that in any case.
 
Psypsypsypsypsythe said:
also is there anything strange or ai about the fact that dyo is claiming to have checked hal n1 and ALSO that he got no results? like does that tell us anything about whether its true or did dyo get no results because hal died
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yea this has been stated multiple times when i did my initial claim too. I would have just said that I got Hal's role PM if I wanted to lie about it failing LOL.
 
M2H said:
I'm not so sure I go along with that one. For one the same person could have done the kill and roleblocked. For two, I think a roleblocker is a bit more likely town than role wiper. On the other hand, the presence of a town roleblocker would strongly point to the lack of a town doctor and would hence suggest that the mafia kill failed due to the triggerman being roleblocked as opposed to the kill being docced against.

Not sure what to think on that in any case.
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The kill was on tribe a so they couldn’t have done but I see your point anyhow. I guess I’m still stuck on why would a town blocker ever target Dyo, but I guess they could have hard sred him and hard tred you and didn’t want scum getting your role? Like that’s the only way that it’s rational I think

Doing Ryo on N2 still feels off for either faction blocker that just confuses the heck outta me. The most rational explanation is legit Dyo rolecopped them N1 so they knew it was worth blocking lmao
 
spiderz behavior day2 kinda confusing tbh. it seems like the laurel pushing originated with spiderz? (no idea if it actually did but spiderz was an early proponent of it. also randomly joins texas in voting haruno after haruno claimed but before texas realized they were buddies. cant find reasoning for this but will update if i do!
 
Thinking about it it feels insanely irrational to make Dyo carry out the kill N3 if he was townblocked N1 already. And Dyo’s “blocked” result was verified by Ryo, not the other way round, so unless Tommy acc told scum what result would be given out to someone that was blocked by their scum blocker role, which I don’t think is particularly likely, blocker feels more and more like it was just a scum role and Dyo is town.

Like this is 100% contingent on Dyo/Ryo !S/S but that seems widely accepted as an unreasonable consideration atm
 
My last post concluded with Dyo prob being town and the one before that with Dyo prob being scum I hope you understand how confused I am

That’s basically my case on either side based on role mechanics and I think I like the mechanical town Dyo case more
 
Celever said:
Thinking about it it feels insanely irrational to make Dyo carry out the kill N3 if he was townblocked N1 already. And Dyo’s “blocked” result was verified by Ryo, not the other way round, so unless Tommy acc told scum what result would be given out to someone that was blocked by their scum blocker role, which I don’t think is particularly likely, blocker feels more and more like it was just a scum role and Dyo is town.

Like this is 100% contingent on Dyo/Ryo !S/S but that seems widely accepted as an unreasonable consideration atm
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I don't think Dyo got townblocked N1. I think scum!Dyo is 100% carrying the kill on hal n1 which necessarily means he wasn't roleblocked. His role cop failed because hal died in any case. I would speculate that scum!Dyo probably copped somebody else beside hal on n1 (ie; Ryo or Laurel)
 
M2H said:
I don't think Dyo got townblocked N1. I think scum!Dyo is 100% carrying the kill on hal n1 which necessarily means he wasn't roleblocked. His role cop failed because hal died in any case. I would speculate that scum!Dyo probably copped somebody else beside hal on n1 (ie; Ryo or Laurel)
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Ok so Dyo wasn’t blocked N1 but was N3 and used his N3 flavour to validate his N1 actions on D4

Interesting, that would make sense. Dyo didn’t give the wording of his results until today
 
Celever said:
My last post concluded with Dyo prob being town and the one before that with Dyo prob being scum I hope you understand how confused I am

That’s basically my case on either side based on role mechanics and I think I like the mechanical town Dyo case more
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this is exactly why i think we need to move away from talking about dyo dskjfg
Celever said:
Ok so Dyo wasn’t blocked N1 but was N3 and used his N3 flavour to validate his N1 actions on D4

Interesting, that would make sense. Dyo didn’t give the wording of his results until today
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this is true though i do believe dyo mentioned d2 that he received no results on hal. ill double check but i remember noticing it but not thinking about it too much for some reason
 
Dyo said:
we have 24 people right, I think it's likely that the 24 roles are the sep/loyalist tribes + the four hosts. I have RSSP for instance. Haven't spoken in a hot second but I had a question about like roles in general. I have a role cop role, and I do not necessarily know what dictates an alignment? Are there any specific actions that lend themselves to being a mafia skew, like the ability to give someone the ability to kill? I copped Hal the night before but didn't work because he died and then someone tonight.
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this was the post when i said. i just assumed it was because death
 
day 2 reads on me (psy)
1175 pg47 shadowpea posts general reads list including me as town along with celever, m2h, and nuxl
1255 pg51 shadowpea posts tier list of me in soft town with dyo, m2h, and spiderz. celever and nuxl are in hard town
1285 pg52 clouds hard trs me because of my "bad things at night" post. not sure if its just coincidental reasoning or what
1297 pg52 spiderz posts tier list with me in hard town alongside celever
1424 pg57 realiti posts a read lists and doesnt remember anything about me. says theyre okay voting me cause i voted them out in bigvivor :psycry:
1598 pg64 nuxl posts huge wall with me as soft town(?) with caff, haruno, whydon
1606 pg65 this ones spicy! ayia srs me and spiderz based on d1 activity. in 1607, trs hal and dle?
1669 pg67 celever posts huge readlist with me in soft town with dave, ayia, dyo, m2h, vizh. nuxl, spiderz, clouds, caff, and realiti were all hard town in this post. haruno was scum lean?
1692 pg68 spiderz quotes a post from me and says im town
pg69 is when sificon claims 3p and the discussion from that point on completely centers around that + haruno/texas so i dont anticipate anything huge in that space

overall i feel like theres nothing super conclusive in here? other than potentially ayia sring me which would imply that hes not doing the play celever stated but overall thats only if that play was actually being made so i dont think theres too much to actually go off of from this
 
The Clouds thing feels too direct to our theory to be related lmao. I suppose the most interesting thing would be Spiderz hard reading you town twice, once a little earlier and once a little later? Beyond that I feel like you’re right, it doesn’t seem particularly conclusive

There’s certainly a chance Ayia was going against the town grain to feign ignorance but it’s a little tinfoily. Equally, if anyones to be mked it’s them so we can prob ignore it lol
 
still not sure about who to actually vote since i only really scum lean like vizh and shadowpea for shifty behavior but even then i could see them being town and neither one is in group a so idk how useful that is. celever, nuxl, caff, unclesam, dyo, m2h, and clouds are all trapped in this horrible purgatory where i just have absolutely no idea if theyre scum or not and i could see both angles. i still am not sure about dave like at all but no one else is concerned about him so its probably nothing
 
Celever said:
The Clouds thing feels too direct to our theory to be related lmao. I suppose the most interesting thing would be Spiderz hard reading you town twice, once a little earlier and once a little later? Beyond that I feel like you’re right, it doesn’t seem particularly conclusive

There’s certainly a chance Ayia was going against the town grain to feign ignorance but it’s a little tinfoily. Equally, if anyones to be mked it’s them so we can prob ignore it lol
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clouds behavior itself feels kinda scummy but his modposting role + interactions with drookez dont so im just conflicted with him. ayia at the time i read as being contrarian to create uncertainty about previously strong consensus reads but it could easily just be him wanting to reevaluate those
 
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