Copyediting Bold Flutter [GP 0/1]

[iPetBigfoot]

[SET]
Defensive Support (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass / Fairy
EVs: 228 HP / 236 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Thunder Wave / Pain Split
- Icy Wind / Pain Split
- Taunt

[SET COMMENTS]

* Flutter Mane uses its high Speed to spread paralysis, slow down foes with Thunder Wave or Icy Wind, and Taunt foes before they can move. Due to its solid bulk it is hard to remove, letting it stay on the field longer and support its team. In some matchups, Flutter Mane can choose to spam Thunder Wave, with the chance of a full paralyses combining with Flutter Mane's bulk to give slower paced teams a rough time.

* Thunder Wave and Icy Wind give Flutter Mane different options for speed control, with Thunder Wave lowering foes' Speed stats by more while Icy Wind can threaten Landorous and break a foe's Focus Sash. Taunt shuts down Trick Room and Amoonguss. Pain Split is an option over either option of speed control to give Flutter Mane some healing while also taking advantage of its low HP stat to weaken foes.

* Booster Energy allows Flutter Mane to outspeed the entire unboosted metagame, while also letting it outspeed slower Choice Scarf users like Adamant Urshifu-R and Modest Chi-Yu.

* The HP and Defense investment allow Flutter Mane to survive Surging Strikes from Mystic Water Urshifu-R almost all of the time. By running a Bold Nature, Flutter Mane gives up the opportunity to outspeed Booster Speed Roaring Moon and opposing Flutter Mane, however the bulk it gains makes it difficult to remove without heavy commitment.

* Tera Grass allows Flutter Mane to resist Suriging Strikes from Urshifu-R and Grass-type moves from Rillaboom, letting it get off another attack. Tera Grass also gives Flutter Mane an immunity to Spore and Rage Powder from Amoonguss, letting it Taunt Amoonguss's partner or not have to worry about predictably using Taunt each time Amoonguss is on the field. Tera Fairy boosts the damage of Moonblast, which can partially make up for the damage lost by investing heavily in HP and Defense.

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[pengu]

1/2, nice job here

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[SET]
Bulky Support (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass (might want to include fairy and even water here because of their placements at birmingham and merida, although merida was only tera fairy)
EVs: 228 HP / 236 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Thunder Wave / Pain Split (could slash protect here)
- Icy Wind / Pain Split
- Taunt

[SET COMMENTS]

* Flutter Mane uses its high Speed to spread paralyses paralysis, slow down, or Taunt foes (noting icy wind+twave here on slowing down foes, can probably reword to make it sound nicer) before they can move. Due to its solid bulk it is hard to remove, letting it stay on the field longer and support its team.

* Thunder Wave and Icy Wind give Flutter Mane different options for speed control, while Taunt shuts down Trick Room and Amoonguss. Pain Split is an option over either option of speed control to give Flutter Mane some healing while also taking advantage of its low HP stat to weaken foes.

* Booster Energy allows Flutter Mane to outspeed the entire unboosted metagame, while also letting it outspeed slower Choice Scarf users like Adamant Urshifu-R and Modest Chi-Yu.

* The HP and Defense investment allow Flutter Mane to survive Surging Strikes from any non-Choice Band Urshifu-R and Wood Hammer from Rillaboom. (just say that the rest is a dump into speed here)

* Tera Grass allows Flutter Mane to resist Suriging Strikes from Urshifu-R and Grass-type moves from Rillaboom while also giving it an immunity to Spore and Rage Powder from Amoonguss. (tera grass also lets it resist electric-type attacks, notably from raging bolt. If adding Tera Fairy / Water, make sure to talk about them here)

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[Seth Vilo]

Forgive me ahead of time because I'm only just dipping into the VGC, and I may not be fully aware of typical spreads and calcs. After some checking, I don't think that the claim about what the HP and Defense EVs let you survive is true.

For Urshifu-R:

• 252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 228 HP / 236+ Def Flutter Mane on a critical hit: 135-162 (84.9 - 101.8%) -- 0.4% chance to OHKO
• Yes, it's a small chance from a max Attack Mystic Water Urshifu, which may not be as common. But the claim is any non-Band Urshifu. 2 of the 3 hits have to max-roll at 54 damage, and the third hit has to almost-max roll at 52. But still possible despite the claim.

For Rillaboom:

• 116+ Atk Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 228 HP / 236+ Def Flutter Mane in Grassy Terrain: 135-160 (84.9 - 100.6%) -- 6.3% chance to OHK; Possible damage amounts: (135, 138, 139, 141, 142, 144, 145, 147, 148, 150, 151, 153, 154, 156, 157, 160)
• That's just for Adamant 116 ones, too. From what I can see on some stats websites, plenty run more Attack than that.

That said, the next line seems to imply that surviving these moves is part of what Tera Grass is picked for. Does that mean there's a different spread, different breakpoints, or other thresholds that may be better and more correct?

 

[gephicka]

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ping me for a recheck whenever you're done

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[SET]
Bulky Support (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 228 HP / 236 Def / 44 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Thunder Wave / Pain Split
- Icy Wind / Pain Split
- Taunt

[SET COMMENTS]

- Flutter Mane uses its high Speed to spread paralyses or Taunt foes before they can move. Due to its solid bulk it is hard to remove, letting it stay on the field longer and support its team.

- Thunder Wave and Icy Wind give Flutter Mane different options for speed control, while Taunt shuts down Trick Room and Amoonguss. Pain Split is an option over either option of speed control to give Flutter Mane some healing while also taking advantage of its low HP stat to weaken foes. (it's worth addressing that a big way this flutter plays is spamming thunder wave and fishing for paras. I think to not mention fishing for full paralysis is missing half of the reason the set is so good in the first place)

- Booster Energy allows Flutter Mane to outspeed the entire unboosted metagame, while also letting it outspeed slower Choice Scarf users like Adamant Urshifu-R and Modest Chi-Yu.

- The HP and Defense investment allow Flutter Mane to survive Surging Strikes from any non Choice Band Urshifu-R (not even getting into the addressed calcs posted, Life Orb Ursh is an entirely valid and relevant set and that also changes the rolls so that this isn't true. phrasing it like this is just kinda silly. I'd just say something along the lines of "Flutter Mane will almost always survive from Surging from Mystic Water Urshifu-R) and Wood Hammer from Rillaboom (yea i mean you just straight up dont live this one sometimes it's worth rephrasing here).

(i think generally here i would like some elaboration on why you'd run bold— elaborate on why the defensive utility is important and what bold flutter specifically does over the timid speed booster flutters. it's also worth elaborating on giving up on outspeeding Speed Booster Roaring Moon & opposing Flutter & why that would be worth it for the additional defensive utility)

- Tera Grass allows Flutter Mane to resist Suriging Strikes from Urshifu-R and Grass-type moves from Rillaboom while also giving it an immunity to Spore and Rage Powder from Amoonguss. (so what?)

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[iPetBigfoot]

implemented gephicka

 

[gephicka]

2/2

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