Project Break My Team 2.0

[Morgan]

Palpitoad @ Eviolite
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 16 Def / 252 SpA / 132 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Earth Power

Outspeeds Xurk

252+ SpA Palpitoad Earth Power vs. 244 HP / 144+ SpD Xurkitree: 206-246 (55.9 - 66.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after 3 layers of Spikes

Water Absorb = no carracosta

252 Atk Choice Band Archeops Fly vs. 0 HP / 16 Def Eviolite Palpitoad: 244-288 (83.8 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Palpitoad Surf vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Archeops: 294-348 (101 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Kowasabii]

I just wanna say, some people be getting way too complicated for this week

Aron @ Shell Bell
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 6
EVs: 252 HP / 14 Atk / 69 Def / 31 SpA / 18 SpD / 44 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Endeavor
- Metal Burst
- Sandstorm
- Toxic

whats nice about this? It wins and it beats other things too

 

[Shyom]

Dragonite @ Choice Band
Adamant Nature
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 248 HP / 40 Atk / 220 Def
- Earthquake
- Outrage

C a l c s:
Vs Archeops
252 Atk Choice Band Archeops Head Smash vs. 248 HP / 220 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 325-384 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
40+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 400-472 (137.4 - 162.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Shyomulation (Simulation): Archeops vs Dragonite

Vs Xurkitree
40+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 362-426 (98.3 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Xurkitree Electroweb vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 48-57 (12.4 - 14.8%) -- possible 7HKO (Breaks Multiscale)
0 SpA Xurkitree Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 331-390 (85.9 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
Shyomulation (Simulation): Xurkitree vs Dragonite

Vs Carracosta
40+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Carracosta: 246-290 (85.1 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Carracosta can't do anything in this matchup without a rock move :<
Shyomulation (Simulation): Carracosta vs Dragonite

Bloopers:
Archeops critting Dragonite
Xurkitree actually winning (Warning, big HaX)

 

[Morgan]

Smh Dnite can lose not a true counter

Xurkitree
40+ Atk Choice Band Dragonite Earthquake vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 362-426 (98.3 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Xurkitree Electroweb vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 48-57 (12.4 - 14.8%) -- possible 7HKO (Breaks Multiscale)
0 SpA Xurkitree Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite: 331-390 (85.9 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

 

[Morgan]

Poliwrath time
Poliwrath @ Groundium Z
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 160 Atk / 124 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Dive
- Earthquake
- Encore
- Haze

Lives Archeops Outrage, Dive avoids Fly and OHKOs

OHKOs Xurk

Encore and Haze are used to bully Carracosta if they ever use shell Smash because you already have water absorb

 

[Morgan]

Gastrodon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 SpA / 68 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Surf

Notice a trend with water absorb?

Lives archeops, surf OHKOs


0 SpA Xurkitree Grass Knot (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 68 SpD Gastrodon: 304-360 (83.7 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 244 HP / 144+ SpD Xurkitree: 384-452 (104.3 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Smajet]

Cradily @ Grassium Z
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 36 SpA / 92 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Amnesia
- Grass Knot
- Solar Beam
- Synthesis

This set isn't really viable, but whatever.

Carracosta can't hit you because who likes coverage moves.

Archeops:
252 Atk Choice Band Archeops Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Cradily: 318-375 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Or
252 Atk Choice Band Archeops Outrage vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Cradily: 170-200 (45.2 - 53.1%) -- 35.5% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Defeatist Archeops Outrage vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Cradily: 85-101 (22.6 - 26.8%) -- 29.3% chance to 4HKO

KO with:
0 SpA Cradily Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Archeops: 243-286 (93.4 - 110%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Cradily Grass Knot (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Archeops: 76-91 (29.2 - 35%) -- 13.4% chance to 3HKO

Oh boy, Xurkitree:
Amnesia first 2 turns.
Synthesis if you're somewhat low on HP (you likely will be).
Amnesia again when you can.
3HKO when you can do damage.
Also, keep in mind that this is easier than it seems because Zap Cannon likes to miss.

Calcs:
+3 0 SpA Xurkitree Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. +2 252 HP / 92 SpD Cradily: 178-210 (47.3 - 55.8%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO
+3 0 SpA Xurkitree Zap Cannon vs. +4 252 HP / 92 SpD Cradily: 75-89 (19.9 - 23.6%) -- possible 5HKO
+6 0 SpA Xurkitree Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. +4 252 HP / 92 SpD Cradily: 190-224 (50.5 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+6 0 SpA Xurkitree Zap Cannon vs. +4 252 HP / 92 SpD Cradily: 120-142 (31.9 - 37.7%) -- 93.7% chance to 3HKO
+6 0 SpA Xurkitree Zap Cannon vs. +6 252 HP / 92 SpD Cradily: 90-107 (23.9 - 28.4%) -- 96.5% chance to 4HKO

36 SpA Cradily Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 244 HP / 144+ SpD Xurkitree: 180-213 (48.9 - 57.8%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
36 SpA Cradily Grass Knot (100 BP) vs. 244 HP / 144+ SpD Xurkitree: 94-112 (25.5 - 30.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

 

[Smajet]

Somebody reserved Zeraora so time to use Jolteon.

Jolteon
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 184 SpA / 20 SpD / 228 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ground
- Quick Attack

It doesn't even need an item lol.

Carracosta:
Outspeeds even after a Shell Smash (but I guess it doesn't need to). Tanks unboosted Waterium Z or boosted Aqua Jet. KOs with TBolt into Quick Attack.

252 SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 20 SpD Jolteon: 229-270 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 16 Atk Carracosta Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jolteon: 142-168 (52.3 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Archeops:
Outspeeds and OHKOs.

184+ SpA Jolteon Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Archeops: 386-456 (132.6 - 156.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Xurkitree:
Outspeeds and 3HKOs. Xurkitree can't kill in 2 turns.

184+ SpA Jolteon Hidden Power Ground vs. 244 HP / 144+ SpD Xurkitree: 124-146 (33.6 - 39.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+3 0 SpA Xurkitree Grass Knot (40 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jolteon: 121-143 (44.6 - 52.7%) -- 24.6% chance to 2HKO

Items:
Electrium Z is standard.

 

[Morgan]

252 SpA Carracosta Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Jolteon: 139-165 (51.2 - 60.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Waterium Z

 

[Smajet]

Thanks, I changed the set.

 

[Smajet]

Turns out Zera was actually reserved for Cycle 2, so it's time to use it!

Zeraora @ Electrium Z
Jolly Nature
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 SpD
- Fake Out
- Plasma Fists
- Outrage

Carracosta:
Gigavolt Havoc into Plasma Fists beats Protect T1. You tank Hydro Vortex or boosted Aqua Jet and outspeed even after they Shell Smash.
If it Protects on the Z, then Fake Out+Protected Z+Plasma Fists X2 wins.

0 Atk Zeraora Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Carracosta: 336-396 (116.2 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Zeraora Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Carracosta: 12-15 (4.1 - 5.1%) -- possibly the worst move ever
0 Atk Zeraora Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def protected Carracosta: 84-99 (29 - 34.2%) -- 2.4% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Carracosta: 186-222 (64.3 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zeraora: 268-316 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 16 Atk Carracosta Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zeraora: 118-141 (37.2 - 44.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Archeops:
You outspeed and OHKO.

0 Atk Zeraora Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 606-714 (208.2 - 245.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Xurkitree:
Fake Out+Gigavolt Havoc+Outrage X2 KOs.
It can't KO you in 2 turns.
0 Atk Zeraora Fake Out vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 37-44 (10 - 11.9%) -- possible 9HKO
0 Atk Zeraora Gigavolt Havoc (180 BP) vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 123-144 (33.4 - 39.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Zeraora Outrage vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 109-129 (29.6 - 35%) -- 15.3% chance to 3HKO
+3 0 SpA Xurkitree Grass Knot (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Zeraora: 209-246 (65.9 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

A very viable mon that 3-0s the team.

 

[edudittA]

Garchomp is good enough for this, and bulky boi 3-0s

The Killer Set

Garchomp @ Choice Band
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 176 HP / 60 Atk / 252 Def / 20 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Bulldoze

Speed is enough to creep +1 Carracosta after Bulldoze

TheCalcs

vs Archeops:

252 Atk Choice Band Archeops Outrage vs. 176 HP / 252 Def Garchomp: 340-400 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 76 Atk Garchomp Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 400-472 (153.8 - 181.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs Carracosta:
240 SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 176 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 253-298 (63 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
16 Atk Carracosta Aqua Jet vs. 176 HP / 252 Def Garchomp: 39-46 (9.7 - 11.4%) -- possible 6HKO
+1 76 Atk Garchomp Bulldoze vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Carracosta: 204-240 (70.5 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

vs Xurkitree:
+1 76 Atk Garchomp Bulldoze vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 300-354 (81.5 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Xurkitree Grass Knot (80 BP) vs. 176 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 107-126 (26.6 - 31.4%) -- 41.2% chance to 3HKO

 

[edudittA]

Tyranitar is fat AF..... Slap an AV, and it can do wonders, like 3-0ing this team

TheThiccSet

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 48 Def / 148 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Hidden Power Grass
- Bulldoze

calcs

vs Archeops:
+1 252 Atk Archeops Head Smash vs. 248 HP / 104+ Def Tyranitar: 295-348 (73.2 - 86.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Tyranitar Avalanche vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 386-456 (148.4 - 175.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs Xurkitree:
0 Atk Tyranitar Bulldoze vs. 244 HP / 108 Def Xurkitree: 128-152 (34.7 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+3 0 SpA Xurkitree Gigavolt Havoc (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 148 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 318-375 (78.7 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Xurkitree Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 152 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar: 160-190 (39.7 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

vs Carracosta:
+2 240 SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 248 HP / 152 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar in Sand: 338-402 (83.8 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 16 Atk Carracosta Hydro Vortex (100 BP) vs. 248 HP / 104+ Def Tyranitar: 356-420 (88.3 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
0- SpA Tyranitar Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Carracosta in Sand: 144-172 (49.8 - 59.5%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO

 

[Freddy Kyogre]

Cycle 4 has ended! The number one voted counter was by 187 Fan, with Excadrill.

Heres your team for cycle 5, submitted by TDA:

Team

Mamma (Tapu Lele) @ Psychium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 104 HP / 164 Def / 16 SpA / 224 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Reflect
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind
Sawk @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 32 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 220 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Poison Jab
Houndoom-Mega @ Houndoominite
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 8 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Overheat
- Dark Pulse
- Taunt
- Nasty Plot

Remember to leave a like on your favorite counters!

 

[Ginger Princess]

inb4 it loses to like a super common mon.

 

[Chickenpie2]

aron seems to do the trick

 

[Ginger Princess]

aron seems to do the trick

cough taunt till it runs out of pp on endeavor and metal burst cough

 

[armaldlo]

How about this?
Aggron @ Custap Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Metal Burst
- Heavy Slam
- Head Smash
- Endure

Calcs:
252+ Atk Aggron Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. +1 104 HP / 164 Def Tapu Lele through Reflect: 133-157 (43.3 - 51.1%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO
16 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Aggron in Psychic Terrain: 140-165 (40.6 - 47.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Also metal burst

252+ Atk Aggron Head Smash vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Houndoom-Mega: 524-618 (178.8 - 210.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Aggron Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Sawk: 243-286 (81.2 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Chickenpie2]

you diss the child face the father's wrath

Aggron-Mega @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk
Naughty Nature
IVs: 0 SpD
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake
- Head Smash
- Metal Burst

252 Atk Mold Breaker Sawk Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Filter Aggron-Mega: 136-162 (39.5 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
everything else just dies

oh didn't realise armaldo already did aggron...but this is mega aggron... dunno if it counts as a separate mon but meh.

 

[Shyom]

Gengar
But what's this? No Hypnosis?

Don't Need Sleep (Gengar-Mega) @ Gengarite
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast
- Hex
- Will-O-Wisp

C a l c s
Vs Tapu Lele
252+ SpA Gengar-Mega Shadow Ball vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 312-368 (101.6 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Vs Sawk
252 Atk Sawk Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar-Mega: 128-151 (49 - 57.8%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk burned Sawk Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gengar-Mega: 64-75 (24.5 - 28.7%) -- 99.4% chance to 4HKO
252+ SpA Gengar-Mega Hex (130 BP) vs. 32 HP / 4 SpD Sawk: 360-424 (120.4 - 141.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Vs Houndoom
Despite being a Modest Gengar, it outspeed Houndoom by 1 point
252+ SpA Gengar-Mega Focus Blast vs. 8 HP / 8 SpD Houndoom-Mega: 380-448 (129.6 - 152.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Isn't Shadow Ball and Hex redundant?
At least I'm not running Hypnosis

 

[motogp]

standard shit
Gardevoir-Mega @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Def / 116 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Hyper Beam
- Hyper Voice
- Calm Mind

cm repeatedly until lele attacks,when that happens hyper beam kills
16 SpA Tapu Lele Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 140 HP / 0 SpD Gardevoir-Mega in Psychic Terrain: 139-164 (44.5 - 52.5%) -- 21.9% chance to 2HKO
16 SpA Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. +1 140 HP / 0 SpD Gardevoir-Mega: 67-81 (21.4 - 25.9%) -- 1.9% chance to 4HKO
then lele gets ohkoed by hyper beam because gardevoir will have 1 more stat boost
114+ SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Beam vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 315-372 (102.6 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(if they have the same stat boosts)
if they both get to +4 lele loses psychic terrain and straight up loses

114+ SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Beam vs. 8 HP / 8 SpD Houndoom-Mega: 384-453 (131 - 154.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252 Atk Mold Breaker Sawk Poison Jab vs. 140 HP / 252 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 176-208 (56.4 - 66.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Mold Breaker burned Sawk Poison Jab vs. 140 HP / 252 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 88-104 (28.2 - 33.3%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO
hyper voice is to not miss against sawk

 

[ggopw]

Reuniclus @ Fightinium Z
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpA / 92 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Focus Blast
- Psyshock
- Calm Mind
- Recover


z fight is only for the miss chance; lo/spatk invest kills hound easy
evs are literally random u just need to eat one pulse which doesn't need much invest at all

252 SpA Houndoom-Mega Dark Pulse vs. 56 HP / 0 SpD Reuniclus: 318-374 (84.8 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
z ohkoes
sawk u even eat a double crit
and lele u spam cm since it never 2hkoes u and then kill back w shock

 

[edudittA]

With Pokemon Sword and Shield releasing this year, I take this moment to present before you, the GOAT Choice Scarf Aegislash

The Countering Set

Aegislash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Iron Head
- Head Smash

calcs

vs Lele :
252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 104 HP / 164 Def Tapu Lele: 306-360 (99.6 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO


vs Houndoom-Mega:
252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Head Smash vs. 8 HP / 0 Def Houndoom-Mega: 396-468 (135.1 - 159.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs Sawk:
224 Atk Sawk Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield on a critical hit: 55-65 (21 - 24.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

224 Atk Sawk Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Blade on a critical hit: 135-159 (51.7 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Sawk: 186-219 (62.2 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[edudittA]

Do you watch ELO Bandit videos? I do, so I know that Carracosta does the trick as well

The Countering Set

Carracosta @ Waterium Z
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Shell Smash
- Hydro Pump
- Liquidation
- Aqua Jet

calcs

vs Sawk:
252+ SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Sawk: 312-367 (104.3 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 Atk Carracosta Aqua Jet vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Sawk: 58-70 (19.3 - 23.4%) -- possible 5HKO

vs Lele:
+2 252+ SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 435-513 (141.6 - 167.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO (If Lele uses Z-Reflect T1)

+2 4 Atk Carracosta Hydro Vortex (175 BP) vs. 104 HP / 164 Def Tapu Lele: 418-493 (136.1 - 160.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (If Lele uses Calm Mind T1)

vs Houndoom-Mega:
252+ SpA Carracosta Hydro Vortex (185 BP) vs. 8 HP / 8 SpD Houndoom-Mega: 530-626 (180.8 - 213.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[superstrike66]

Reserving Scarf Hax (again)