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Brutality - A Gen5 OU Team
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Consider explosion over trick on azelf, also, nice pictures. Pretty solid team, go check the 5th gen offensive/defensive threat list and see what shits all over you, if anything.
Hi this is looking like a great team! You definitely have most of your bases covered.
I would advise against putting Explosion on Azelf. While Azelf has the 3rd strongest Explosion in the game iirc, the nerf on Explosion makes it much more difficult to use effectively. I think you will get more mileage out of Trick
On that note, I would take Explosion off Heatran in favor of HP Ice. With Balloon you can do cute things like check DD Dragons and Landorus. HP Ice lets you do that more effectively than having to Fire Blast or use a weak Explosion.
The other other fault I can really see is that you might be a little reliant on Garchomp to revenge kill, but its a scarf revenge killer so just play smart with it and you should be pretty much be good to go. Good luck!
I would advise against putting Explosion on Azelf. While Azelf has the 3rd strongest Explosion in the game iirc, the nerf on Explosion makes it much more difficult to use effectively. I think you will get more mileage out of Trick
On that note, I would take Explosion off Heatran in favor of HP Ice. With Balloon you can do cute things like check DD Dragons and Landorus. HP Ice lets you do that more effectively than having to Fire Blast or use a weak Explosion.
The other other fault I can really see is that you might be a little reliant on Garchomp to revenge kill, but its a scarf revenge killer so just play smart with it and you should be pretty much be good to go. Good luck!
Also, thanks for rating, I've tried HP Ice over Explosion on Heatran and it does work a lot better.
Hey man this is a cool team you have here and you seem to have most problems covered. Although I feel like you have designed this team for 4th gen and have almost just slapped it together for B/W. There are no dedicated leads in B/W so having Choice Band Azelf is a bit odd. Also, if you replaced Garchomp for a Scarf Flygon it will look like your stereotypical offensive team in late Gen 4.
My first suggestion would be to completely replace a number of your pokemon. Currently you really struggle with Rankurusu, Terakion, Latios and a number of other pokemon. I don't really want to suggest too many changes to your team, but I think your team would really benefit from the addition of a specially defensive Scizor. This Scizor can take on all of the aforementioned pokemon relatively well. I think it would work well over Azelf, here is the set:
Scizor @ Leftovers
Adamant 252 HP | 56 Atk | 200 SpDef Technician
Swords Dance | Bug Bite | Bullet Punch | Roost
Scizor makes a good counter to Rankurusu and Latios, as well as doing a large chunk with Bullet Punch to Terakion. Bullet Punch is just an all-round good move to revenge other pokemon too. I think Gyarados is also largely outclassed by other pokemon like Slowbro and because you're using a Rest set, the sleep turns might not be very kind to you, although I'm sure you're aware of the new mechanics. Since you aren't playing Dream World, Skarmory doesn't really need a Shed Shell as there is no Shandera, so make the change to Leftovers on Skarmory.
I wish you the best of luck with the changes you make in this team.
My first suggestion would be to completely replace a number of your pokemon. Currently you really struggle with Rankurusu, Terakion, Latios and a number of other pokemon. I don't really want to suggest too many changes to your team, but I think your team would really benefit from the addition of a specially defensive Scizor. This Scizor can take on all of the aforementioned pokemon relatively well. I think it would work well over Azelf, here is the set:
Scizor @ Leftovers
Adamant 252 HP | 56 Atk | 200 SpDef Technician
Swords Dance | Bug Bite | Bullet Punch | Roost
Scizor makes a good counter to Rankurusu and Latios, as well as doing a large chunk with Bullet Punch to Terakion. Bullet Punch is just an all-round good move to revenge other pokemon too. I think Gyarados is also largely outclassed by other pokemon like Slowbro and because you're using a Rest set, the sleep turns might not be very kind to you, although I'm sure you're aware of the new mechanics. Since you aren't playing Dream World, Skarmory doesn't really need a Shed Shell as there is no Shandera, so make the change to Leftovers on Skarmory.
I wish you the best of luck with the changes you make in this team.
without DEF evs and lefties on the Skarm you're gone suffer against the very hard hitters in this Gen, specially SD Landolos and Terakion, not to mention its 2HKOed After SR by CB Ononokusu's Outrage.
Also LO Doryuzuu rapes this team after a SD, and it's really not that hard to break this team for a Dory sweep.
Sleep talker Gyarados is great but i'm not seeing it in this team, not seeing it at all.
IMO this team needs a total revamp. i will be surprised if it succeed in the current metagame.
Also LO Doryuzuu rapes this team after a SD, and it's really not that hard to break this team for a Dory sweep.
Sleep talker Gyarados is great but i'm not seeing it in this team, not seeing it at all.
IMO this team needs a total revamp. i will be surprised if it succeed in the current metagame.
Also, just a quick thing
I have that same type of gyrados (though i invest a little more evs in sp def) but one thing to consider is replacing roar with dragon tail. It does have 90% accuracy, but it inflicts damage AND forces a switch
I have that same type of gyrados (though i invest a little more evs in sp def) but one thing to consider is replacing roar with dragon tail. It does have 90% accuracy, but it inflicts damage AND forces a switch
"lol"
I doubt Dory is sweeping this team. Firstly it needs to break past Skarmory (which incidentally walls Dory), Gyarados serves as an emergency check with Intimidate lowing its attack and Heatran can beat it providing that it still has its Balloon and that it does not get Flinched by Rock Slide.
Sleep Talk Gyarados works perfectly on this team taking the Fire attacks directed at Skarmory and then making use of the Spikes Skarmory lays by Roaring threats out.
Also I kinda agree with D-Tail over Roar mainly because the extra damage is very nice. ON the other hand both kinda have there pros and cons and its mmore of a cosmetic change than anything
SD Randorosu - Switch into Garchomp on the SD and Outrage. If I don't KO, I go into Scizor and Bullet Punch (replaced Gyarados with Scizor).
Terakion - Switch to Scizor on the Swords Dance/Rock Polish and Bullet Punch.
LO Doryuuzu - Switch into Heatran (if it still has the Balloon) and I can take any hit after a Swords Dance and OHKO with Fire Blast.
CB Ononokusu - Fodder Skarm (which I have changed to Rankurusu), or whatever he decides to switch into, and Outrage with Garchomp.
Gyarados has been replaced as said before, and this team is surprisingly very good in the current metagame if used correctly. I didn't like your final opinion, and I thought it was kind of a prick move, but thanks for the rate anyways.
DreamQueen121 said:
What I don't like about Dragon Tail is that it doesn't phaze through subs, and that is the whole reason I picked Roar over that, and it doesn't concern me as of now cause I changed Gyarados to Scizor.
RMT will be updated soon (if these changes remain, that is).
Unfortunately you are now very weak to Excadrill. Heatran is your only counter and once it loses its balloon its over. Not to mention if Excadrill attacks straight off the bat there goes your balloon and Excadrill can sweep later. It gets off a SD on Garchomp locked into Dragon Claw, EQ, Stone Edge and can also pretty much wall Scizor. Also with Heatran being your only check if your opponent has an Excadrill you literally cannot use Heatran at all unless you are 100% sure that you are switching in on a non-attack move.
Seriously, the moment you send in Heatran im sending in T-Tar to wall your hit, Pursuit you thus you lose your balloon and then Excadrill sweeps.
I kinda liked how your team was before but since you dropped both Gyarados and Skarmory I guess a Gliscor over Rank could work decently checking Excadrill and shit like Terakion
Seriously, the moment you send in Heatran im sending in T-Tar to wall your hit, Pursuit you thus you lose your balloon and then Excadrill sweeps.
I kinda liked how your team was before but since you dropped both Gyarados and Skarmory I guess a Gliscor over Rank could work decently checking Excadrill and shit like Terakion
sorry dude i didn't mean to be harsh but it did need a total revamp!
since you changed two members you would have new problems now.
+2 LO Rock slide does 73%~86% to skarm.
also Terakion rapes his team after a rock polish (before he changed into a scizor)
as he 2HKO his skarm with CC.
about breaking his team, the way it is now a simple BOAH with Focus punch/crunch/flamethrower/sub can break his team with proper support.
dude either you didn't play alot of GEN5 or you're flat out a bad battler.
also, that Gyarados with no rapid spin support is crap due to the new sleep mechanics.
since you don't want to revamp your whole team i only have one recommendation:
~to drop the CB Azelf set, and put a Gliscor on this team while moving Heatran to the lead position.
the standard set with SW/Ice fang/EQ/Protect
good luck
since you changed two members you would have new problems now.
really? i use a similar set and it can't wall a LO dory:
+2 LO Rock slide does 73%~86% to skarm.
also Terakion rapes his team after a rock polish (before he changed into a scizor)
as he 2HKO his skarm with CC.
about breaking his team, the way it is now a simple BOAH with Focus punch/crunch/flamethrower/sub can break his team with proper support.
dude either you didn't play alot of GEN5 or you're flat out a bad battler.
also, that Gyarados with no rapid spin support is crap due to the new sleep mechanics.
since you don't want to revamp your whole team i only have one recommendation:
~to drop the CB Azelf set, and put a Gliscor on this team while moving Heatran to the lead position.
the standard set with SW/Ice fang/EQ/Protect
good luck
Thank you for all of the rates, and I will be changing CB Azelf to Gliscor in both PO and on Wi-Fi. The RMT will be updated either later or tomorrow depending on my schedule.
All things aside, I will try to make this team somewhat better than it is if possible, and I need your guys' help, so keep posting rates, please!
All things aside, I will try to make this team somewhat better than it is if possible, and I need your guys' help, so keep posting rates, please!
Even if this team was the worst ever, you'd still get 100% for the cool pics. ROFL Breloom.
Thank you for the very kind, heartwarming rate. Have a pleasant day.