Gen 5 [BW] Choice Scarf Kingler + Other Options + Checks & Counters [DONE]

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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Crabhammer
move 2: X-Scissor
move 3: Rock Slide
move 4: Superpower
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Sheer Force
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Kingler's naturally high Attack and Choice Scarf-boosted Speed make it an effective revenge killer. Crabhammer is a spammable STAB move that 2HKOes most neutral targets, such as pivot Mienfoo and Arbok through Intimidate. X-Scissor targets the Grass-types that resist Crabhammer, 2HKOing offensive variants of Meganium and Leafeon and usually 3HKOing defensive variants of both. When boosted by Sheer Force, Rock Slide is effective coverage against Flying-types; its primary target is Pelipper, and it has a chance of 2HKOing defensive variants after Leftovers recovery while falling just shy of OHKOing offensive variants. Rock Slide also always OHKOes Emolga. Superpower lets Kingler OHKO Lairon and Pawniard while also serving as coverage against Ice- and Normal-types, 2HKOing most of them; it notably OHKOes the best Pokemon in the tier, Persian, something Crabhammer falls just short of doing without prior chip damage. Superpower must be used with caution, however, as the drops to Kingler's stats can make it easier to revenge kill.

Choice Scarf Kingler best fits on balance and sometimes offense teams looking for a form of speed control that's difficult to switch into. Many of Kingler's moves just barely miss miss out on OHKO ranges against foes like offensive Pelipper and Glaceon; Stealth Rock support from teammates like Clefairy, Solrock, and Lairon can help bring these targets into KO range. Stealth Rock also puts foes like Persian and Emolga into range of Crabhammer, sometimes easing the need for prediction. Kingler's biggest problem is that it's unable to threaten Frillish in the slightest; switch-ins to it like Clefairy and Meganium are the most common way for Kingler's team to deal with Frillish. Wallbreakers like Raichu and Leafeon and stallbreakers like Walrein and Grumpig are also effective partners for their ability to break through Frillish. Pivots with Knock Off, like Mienfoo, Vullaby, and Persian can serve the dual purpose of removing Frillish's Eviolite and pivoting their offensive teammates in. Shelgon walls Kingler and can use it as setup fodder, making checks to it like Walrein and Lairon necessary partners; the aforementioned Knock Off users can also soften it up by removing its Eviolite. Grass-types like Ivysaur, Meganium, and bulky variants of Leafeon can switch into all of Kingler's attacks with little worry, and offensive variants of Leafeon can notably use Kingler as setup fodder to start its sweep, making checks to Grass-types like Emolga and Simisear good partners. Kingler's special bulk is quite subpar, so it appreciates the support of special sponges such as Muk and Meganium.

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[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Knock Off cripples the plethora of walls reliant on Eviolite or Leftovers, such as Frillish, Ivysaur, and Meganoium, which Kingler has an easy time forcing in. However, Kingler generally prefers extra coverage that can help it secure KOs, and its poor bulk and longevity harms its potential in a utility role. Toxic can be used to cripple Pokemon that wall Kingler, notably Frillish, though it has limited use against Grass-types, as Ivysaur is immune to poison while Meganium and Leafeon can carry status-curing moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Ivysaur and bulky variants of Meganium and Leafeon aren't 2HKOed by any of Kingler's moves, while they OHKO or 2HKO it back with their Grass-type STAB moves. Meganium and especially Leafeon can use Kingler lacking proper coverage or being Choice-locked as setup fodder.

**Faster special attackers**: Due to its low special bulk, many special attackers that outspeed Kingler, most notably those that can hit it super effectively like Raichu and Simisear, threaten to OHKO it. Others like Grumpig fail to OHKO Kingler, but Kingler's ability to OHKO it back depends on its set. However, these foes must watch out for Kingler boosting its Speed with Choice Scarf or Agility.

**Frillish**: Frillish resists all of Kingler's moves except Rock Slide, which fails to 2HKO it when unboosted, can stay healthy with Recover, and threatens to burn Kingler with Scald or Will-O-Wisp. However, it must be wary of Swords Dance variants, which can KO Frillish after some chip damage at +2.

**Shelgon**: Shelgon resists Crabhammer and takes minimal damage from Kingler's other attacks due to its high physical bulk, letting it wall Kingler and turn it into setup fodder.

**Status**: Burn completely ruins Kingler, as it becomes dead weight without its explosive offensive power. Paralysis makes Kingler easier to overwhelm using slower threats like Lairon and offensive pivot Mienfoo, foes it'd otherwise have an easy time beating one-on-one. Toxic putting Kingler on a timer usually stops sweeping variants from making worthwhile progress.
 
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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Crabhammer
move 2: X-Scissor
move 3: Rock Slide
move 4: Superpower
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Sheer Force
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Kingler's naturally high Attack and Choice Scarf-boosted Speed make it an effective revenge killer. Crabhammer is a spammable STAB move that 2HKOes most neutral targets (mention one-two notable bulkyish foes for reference). X-Scissor targets the Grass-types that resist Crabhammer, 2HKOing offensive variants of Meganium and Leafeon, and generally 3HKOing defensive variants of the duo. When boosted by Sheer Force, Rock Slide is effective coverage against Flying-types; its primary target is Pelipper, and it has a chance of 2HKOing defensive variants after Leftovers recovery, and it falls just shy of OHKOing offensive variants. Rock Slide also always OHKOes Emolga and 3HKOes Vullaby (calc seems to show Vullaby is a 4hko unless you mean with rocks). Superpower lets Kingler OHKO Lairon and Pawniard, while also serving as coverage against opposing Ice- and Normal-types, 2HKOing most of them; it notably OHKOes the best Pokemon in the tier, Persian, something Crabhammer falls just short of doing. Superpower must be used with caution, however, as the drop to Kingler's stats can make it easier to revenge kill.

Kingler best fits on offense and balance teams looking for a form of speed control that's difficult to switch into. Many of Kingler's moves just barely miss the OHKO or are ranges against foes like offensive variants of Pelipper and Glaceon, so Stealth Rock support from teammates like Clefairy, Solrock, and Lairon can bring these targets into KO range. It also puts foes like Persian and Emolga into range of Crabhammer, sometimes easing the need for perdiction. Kingler's biggest problem is that it's unable to threaten Frillish in the slightest; wallbreakers like Raichu and Leafeon and stallbreakers like Walrein and Grumpig are mandatory partners for this reason. Pursuit trappers like Pawniard and Slaking can remove Frillish, though they struggle at this role due to its ability to spread burns and high bulk. Thus, pivots with Knock Off, like Mienfoo, Vullaby, and Persian, can serve the dual purpose of removing Frillish's Eviolite and pivoting in their offensive teammates. Shelgon walls Kingler and can use it as setup fodder, making checks to it like Walrein and Lairon also necessary partners; the aforementioned Knock Off users also do well against it. Ivysaur and bulky variants of Leafeon and Meganium can switch into all of Kingler's attacks, so checks to Grass-types like Emolga and Simisear are good partners. Kingler's special bulk is quite subpar, so it appreciates the support of special sponges such as Muk and Meganium.

any cleaners come to mind that appreciate Kingler being able to threaten some of these Pokemon? or do any mid game breakers share targets so Kingler can clean up the opposing team? there is a lot of instances where kingler needs support so i am trying to get some info down for readers to see what kingler can do for its teammates.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Knock Off cripples the plethora of walls reliant on Eviolite or Leftovers, notably Frillish and Ivysaur, foes Kingler has an easy time forcing in. However, Kingler generally prefers extra coverage that can help it KO its foe, and its poor bulk and longevity harms its potential in a utility role. Toxic can be used to cripple Pokemon that wall Kingler, notably Frillish, though it has limited use against Grass-types, as Ivysaur is immune to poison while Meganium and Leafeon can carry cleric moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Ivysaur and bulky variants of Meganium and Leafeon aren't 2HKOed by any of Kingler's moves, while they OHKO or 2HKO it back with their Grass-type STAB moves.

**Faster Special Attackers**: Due to Kingler's low special bulk, many special attackers that outspeed Kingler, notably those that can hit it super effectively like Raichu and Simisear, threaten to OHKO it. Others like Grumpig fail to OHKO Kingler, and it depends on Kingler's set if it has the means to OHKO back. However, these foes must watch out for Kingler boosting its Speed with Choice Scarf or Agility.

**Frillish**: Frillish resists all of Kingler's moves except Rock Slide, which fails to 2HKO unboosted, can stay healthy with Recover, and threatens to burn Kingler with Scald or Will-O-Wisp. However, it must be wary of Swords Dance variants, which can KO Frillish after a some chip at +2.

**Shelgon**: Shelgon resists Crabhammer and take minimal damage from Kingler's other attacks due to its high physical bulk, letting it wall Kingler and turn it into setup fodder.

**Status**: Burn completely ruins Kingler, as without its explosive offensive power it's dead weight. Paralysis means Kingler is easier to overwhelm using slower threats like Lairon and offensive pivot Mienfoo, foes it'd otherwise have an easy time beating one-on-one. Toxic putting Kingler on a timer usually stops sweeping variants from making worthwhile progress.

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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Crabhammer
move 2: X-Scissor
move 3: Rock Slide
move 4: Superpower
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Sheer Force
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Kingler's naturally high Attack and Choice Scarf-boosted Speed make it an effective revenge killer. Crabhammer is a spammable STAB move that 2HKOes most neutral targets like pivot Mienfoo and Arbok through Intimidate. X-Scissor targets the Grass-types that resist Crabhammer, 2HKOing offensive variants of Meganium and Leafeon, and generally 3HKOing defensive variants of the duo. When boosted by Sheer Force, Rock Slide is effective coverage against Flying-types; its primary target is Pelipper, and it has a chance of 2HKOing defensive variants after Leftovers recovery, and it falls just shy of OHKOing offensive variants. Rock Slide also always OHKOes Emolga. Superpower lets Kingler OHKO Lairon and Pawniard, while also serving as coverage against opposing Ice- and Normal-types, 2HKOing most of them; it notably OHKOes the best Pokemon in the tier, Persian, something Crabhammer falls just short of doing. Superpower must be used with caution, however, as the drop to Kingler's stats can make it easier to revenge kill.

Kingler best fits on offense and balance teams looking for a form of speed control that's difficult to switch into. Many of Kingler's moves just barely miss the OHKO or are ranges against foes like offensive variants of Pelipper and Glaceon, so Stealth Rock support from teammates like Clefairy, Solrock, and Lairon can bring these targets into KO range. It also puts foes like Persian and Emolga into range of Crabhammer, sometimes easing the need for prediction. Kingler's biggest problem is that it's unable to threaten Frillish in the slightest; wallbreakers like Raichu and Leafeon and stallbreakers like Walrein and Grumpig are mandatory partners for this reason. Include defensive counterplay since Scarf Kingler will primarily find its place on balance, Clef Meg swap in without worry. Pursuit trappers like Pawniard and Slaking can remove Frillish, though they struggle at this role due to its ability to spread burns and high bulk. Frillish is too bulky and pursuit is too niche for this mention honestly Thus, pivots with Knock Off, like Mienfoo, Vullaby, and Persian, can serve the dual purpose of removing Frillish's Eviolite and pivoting in their offensive teammates. Shelgon walls Kingler and can use it as setup fodder, making checks to it like Walrein and Lairon also necessary partners; the aforementioned Knock Off users can also soften it up by removing its Eciolite. Ivysaur and bulky variants of Leafeon and Meganium and Leafeon honestly more relevant since Leaf takes over games with free turns can switch into all of Kingler's attacks, so checks to Grass-types like Emolga and Simisear are good partners. Kingler's special bulk is quite subpar, so it appreciates the support of special sponges such as Muk and Meganium.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Knock Off cripples the plethora of walls reliant on Eviolite or Leftovers, notably Frillish and Ivysaur, foes Kingler has an easy time forcing in. However, Kingler generally prefers extra coverage that can help it KO its foe, and its poor bulk and longevity harms its potential in a utility role. Toxic can be used to cripple Pokemon that wall Kingler, notably Frillish, though it has limited use against Grass-types, as Ivysaur is immune to poison while Meganium and Leafeon can carry cleric moves.

Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Ivysaur and bulky variants of Meganium and Leafeon aren't 2HKOed by any of Kingler's moves, while they OHKO or 2HKO it back with their Grass-type STAB moves.

**Faster Special Attackers**: Due to Kingler's low special bulk, many special attackers that outspeed Kingler, notably those that can hit it super effectively like Raichu and Simisear, threaten to OHKO it. Others like Grumpig fail to OHKO Kingler, and it depends on Kingler's set if it has the means to OHKO back. However, these foes must watch out for Kingler boosting its Speed with Choice Scarf or Agility.

**Frillish**: Frillish resists all of Kingler's moves except Rock Slide, which fails to 2HKO unboosted, can stay healthy with Recover, and threatens to burn Kingler with Scald or Will-O-Wisp. However, it must be wary of Swords Dance variants, which can KO Frillish after a some chip at +2.

**Shelgon**: Shelgon resists Crabhammer and take minimal damage from Kingler's other attacks due to its high physical bulk, letting it wall Kingler and turn it into setup fodder.

**Status**: Burn completely ruins Kingler, as without its explosive offensive power it's dead weight. Paralysis means Kingler is easier to overwhelm using slower threats like Lairon and offensive pivot Mienfoo, foes it'd otherwise have an easy time beating one-on-one. Toxic putting Kingler on a timer usually stops sweeping variants from making worthwhile progress.

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[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Crabhammer
move 2: X-Scissor
move 3: Rock Slide
move 4: Superpower
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Sheer Force
nature: Jolly
evs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Kingler's naturally high Attack and Choice Scarf-boosted Speed make it an effective revenge killer. Crabhammer is a spammable STAB move that 2HKOes most neutral targets,(AC) like such as pivot Mienfoo and Arbok through Intimidate. X-Scissor targets the Grass-types that resist Crabhammer, 2HKOing offensive variants of Meganium and Leafeon and generally (recommend changing "generally" to something more probability-based like "usually" or "likely", whatever's appropriate) 3HKOing defensive variants of the duo both. When boosted by Sheer Force, Rock Slide is effective coverage against Flying-types; its primary target is Pelipper, and it has a chance of 2HKOing defensive variants after Leftovers recovery(RC) and it falls while falling just shy of OHKOing offensive variants. Rock Slide also always OHKOes Emolga. Superpower lets Kingler OHKO Lairon and Pawniard while also serving as coverage against opposing Ice- and Normal-types, 2HKOing most of them; it notably OHKOes the best Pokemon in the tier, Persian, something Crabhammer falls just short of doing without prior chip damage (prob worth mentioning here since you make a point of saying hammer can kill persian after smth as minimal as Rocks. Slightly QC territory but I think it helps your presentation a lot so I feel it enhances the prose too. Ultimately your call tho). Superpower must be used with caution, however, as the drop drops to Kingler's stats can make it easier to revenge kill.

Choice Scarf Kingler best fits on balance and sometimes offense teams looking for a form of speed control that's difficult to switch into. Many of Kingler's moves just barely miss the miss out on OHKO or are ranges against foes like offensive variants of Pelipper and Glaceon(RC);(ASC) so Stealth Rock support from teammates like Clefairy, Solrock, and Lairon can help bring these targets into KO range. It Stealth Rock also puts foes like Persian and Emolga into range of Crabhammer, sometimes easing the need for prediction. Kingler's biggest problem is that it's unable to threaten Frillish in the slightest; switch-ins to it like Clefairy and Meganium are the most common way for Kingler's team to deal with Frillish. Wallbreakers like Raichu and Leafeon and stallbreakers like Walrein and Grumpig are also effective partners for their ability to break through Frillish. Pivots with Knock Off, like Mienfoo, Vullaby, and Persian(RC) can serve the dual purpose of removing Frillish's Eviolite and pivoting in their offensive teammates in. Shelgon walls Kingler and can use it as setup fodder, making checks to it like Walrein and Lairon also necessary partners; the aforementioned Knock Off users can also soften it up by removing its Eviolite. Grass-types like Ivysaur, Meganium, and bulky variants of Leafeon can switch into all of Kingler's attacks with little worry, and offensive variants of Leafeon can notably use Kingler as setup fodder to start its sweep, making checks to Grass-types Grass-type checks (clarity) like Emolga and Simisear good partners. Kingler's special bulk is quite subpar, so it appreciates the support of special sponges such as Muk and Meganium.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
=============

Knock Off cripples the plethora of walls reliant on Eviolite or Leftovers, notably Frillish and Ivysaur (doesn't Ivy use eviolite? I feel like I remember reading that elsewhere. If you list Leftovers you have to have an example of a Leftovers user), foes which Kingler has an easy time forcing in. However, Kingler generally prefers extra coverage that can help it KO its foe secure KOs, and its poor bulk and longevity harms its potential in a utility role. Toxic can be used to cripple Pokemon that wall Kingler, notably Frillish, though it has limited use against Grass-types, as Ivysaur is immune to poison while Meganium and Leafeon can carry cleric status-curing moves ("cleric" doesn't work as an adjective).

Checks and Counters
===================

**Grass-types**: Ivysaur and bulky variants of Meganium and Leafeon aren't 2HKOed by any of Kingler's moves, while they OHKO or 2HKO it back with their Grass-type STAB moves. Meganium and notably especially Leafeon can use Kingler lacking proper coverage or being choice Choice-locked as setup fodder.

**Faster Special Attackers special attackers**: Due to Kingler's its low special bulk, many special attackers that outspeed Kingler, most notably those that can hit it super effectively like Raichu and Simisear, threaten to OHKO it. Others like Grumpig fail to OHKO Kingler, and it depends on Kingler's set if it has the means to OHKO back but Kingler's ability to OHKO it back depends on its set (I think this gets your intended point across better, otherwise we can discuss it separately). However, these foes must watch out for Kingler boosting its Speed with Choice Scarf or Agility.

**Frillish**: Frillish resists all of Kingler's moves except Rock Slide(RC) which fails to 2HKO it when unboosted, can stay healthy with Recover, and threatens to burn Kingler with Scald or Will-O-Wisp. However, it must be wary of Swords Dance variants, which can KO Frillish after some chip damage at +2.

**Shelgon**: Shelgon resists Crabhammer and take takes minimal damage from Kingler's other attacks due to its high physical bulk, letting it wall Kingler and turn it into setup fodder.

**Status**: Burn completely ruins Kingler, as it becomes dead weight without its explosive offensive power it's dead weight (normally this would be too subjective for me to change but it just reads so much better). Paralysis means makes Kingler is easier to overwhelm using slower threats like Lairon and offensive pivot Mienfoo, foes it'd otherwise have an easy time beating one-on-one. Toxic putting Kingler on a timer usually stops sweeping variants from making worthwhile progress.

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