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Resource BW Role Compendium v2.0

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BW2 OU TEAMBUILDING COMPENDIUM (v 2.0)
The idea of this thread is to provide a visual list of what Pokémon does what in the BW2 OU metagame.

Rules
  • One liners are fine, avoid double posting
  • Don't shitpost and don't be an idiot.
  • When suggesting things to be added/removed, provide decent reasoning as to why something should be added or removed.
  • Don't nominate unviable mons
  • For burn and paralysis, Pokemon that don't use the moves Will-O-Wisp or Thunder Wave / Stun Spore are listed for spreading those statuses. For burn, this is because they either use Scald (Water-types not Rotom-W), or they're known to run Flame Orb (Latios, Latias, Reuniclus). For paralysis, this is because they can spread Thunder paralysis (Reuniclus, Thundurus-T, Jirachi) or Body Slam paralysis (Jirachi).
  • In front of slash = standard and common, behind = niche and uncommon (usually applies to the specific role but a mon can be niche as a whole)
General and Important Team Roles

Entry Hazards
Stealth Rock:
:tyranitar::Garchomp::landorus-therian::heatran::jirachi::excadrill::ferrothorn::Gliscor::hippowdon::terrakion::chansey::skarmory::seismitoad:|:mamoswine::mew::bronzong::forretress::celebi:
Spikes:
:ferrothorn::skarmory:|:forretress:
Toxic Spikes:
:tentacruel:|:forretress:
Spinners:
:starmie::excadrill::tentacruel:|:forretress:
Spinblockers:
:jellicent:|:gengar::sableye:

Attackers
Physical Attackers:
:tyranitar::terrakion::garchomp::breloom::dragonite::excadrill::kyurem-black::landorus-therian::scizor::toxicroak::gyarados::mamoswine::salamence:|:victini::cloyster::weavile::metagross::azumarill:
Special Attackers:
:keldeo::latios::volcarona::alakazam::reuniclus::tornadus::thundurus-therian::heatran::magnezone::hydreigon::jirachi::kyurem::starmie::rotom-wash:|:mew::gengar::kingdra::moltres::latias::politoed::celebi:
Mixed Attackers:
:garchomp::jirachi::tyranitar::landorus-therian:|:mienshao::kyurem-black:

Walls
Special Walls:
:jirachi::heatran::jellicent::ferrothorn::tyranitar::rotom-wash::excadrill::chansey::tentacruel:|:slowking::forretress::bronzong::Celebi:
Physical Walls:
:skarmory::gliscor::hippowdon::mew::landorus-therian::slowbro::reuniclus::Ferrothorn: |:zapdos::alomomola::tangrowth::cresselia:
Mixed Walls:
:ferrothorn::jellicent::gastrodon::rotom-wash::tentacruel::slowbro::gliscor:|:milotic::chansey::bronzong::amoonguss::cresselia:

Setup Sweepers
Dragon Dance:
:dragonite::gyarados:|:salamence::latios:
Swords Dance:
:garchomp::breloom::landorus-therian::terrakion::gliscor::scizor:|:toxicroak::excadrill:
Agility / Rock Polish:
:thundurus-therian:/:terrakion::landorus-therian:
Calm Mind:
:keldeo::jirachi::reuniclus::latios:|:latias:
Nasty Plot:
:thundurus-therian:/:Celebi:
Bulk Up:
:breloom:|:tornadus::toxicroak:
Quiver Dance:
:volcarona:
Shell Smash:
:Cloyster:|:omastar:
Tailwind:
None | :Tornadus:
Gravity:
none | :Landorus-Therian:
Trick Room:
:Reuniclus:

Weather
Sand:
:tyranitar::hippowdon:
Rain:
:politoed:
Sun:
:ninetales:

Trapping
:tyranitar::magnezone::heatran::scizor:|:weavile::Metagross:

Pivots
Regenerator:
:amoonguss::slowbro:|:tangrowth::slowking::mienshao:
U-turn:
:Gliscor::scizor::landorus-therian::jirachi::tornadus::xatu:|:thundurus-therian::hydreigon::Mienshao:
Volt Switch:
:rotom-wash::Magnezone: |:thundurus-therian::Forretress:

Suicide Leads
:Skarmory: :Landorus_Therian: I :Terrakion::Aerodactyl:

Priority
Bullet Punch:
:scizor:
ExtremeSpeed:
:dragonite:
Sucker Punch:
None /:toxicroak:
Ice Shard:
:cloyster::mamoswine:|:weavile:
Mach Punch:
:breloom:|:conkeldurr:
Aqua Jet:
None |:keldeo::azumarill:
Quick Attack:
:Terrakion::Scizor:
 
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Items

Choice Users
:choice scarf:Choice Scarf
:rotom-wash::garchomp::tyranitar::keldeo::excadrill::terrakion::landorus-therian::Magnezone::latios::politoed::scizor::salamence:|:victini::ditto::gyarados::latias::kyurem-black::jirachi::hydreigon::Mienshao:
:choice band:Choice Band
:dragonite::kyurem-black::scizor::terrakion::breloom::mamoswine:|:azumarill::victini::tyranitar:
:choice specs:Choice Specs
:latios::keldeo::tornadus::starmie:|:hydreigon::kyurem::magnezone::politoed:

Gem Users
:fighting gem:Fighting Gem
:keldeo::terrakion::landorus-therian::breloom:
:dragon gem:Dragon Gem
:garchomp::latios::dragonite:|:salamence:
:flying gem:Flying Gem
None |:tornadus::gliscor:
:normal gem:Normal Gem
:landorus-therian:|:gyarados::mew:
:water gem:Water Gem
:politoed:|:garchomp:
:rock gem:Rock Gem
:terrakion:
:dark gem:Dark Gem
None |:tyranitar:
:bug gem:Bug Gem
:volcarona:
:Ice Gem: Ice Gem
:Cloyster:
:ground gem:Ground Gem
None /:latios:
:Grass Gem:
Grass Gem
:Breloom:

:Psychic Gem: Psychic Gem
:Volcarona:
Berry Users
:lum berry:Lum Berry
:tyranitar::garchomp::dragonite::volcarona:|:Salamence::Breloom:
:yache berry:Yache Berry
:dragonite::garchomp::landorus-therian:| :Salamence:
:shuca berry:Shuca Berry
:jirachi:|:tyranitar:
:chople berry:Chople Berry
:tyranitar::magnezone:|:kyurem-black:
:Colbur Berry:Colbur Berry
:Latios::Reuniclus:|:Latias::Jellicent:
:custap berry:Custap Berry
:skarmory:|:forretress::tyranitar::politoed::magnezone::Kyurem-Black:
:salac berry:Salac Berry
:garchomp::terrakion:|:skarmory::magnezone:
:passho berry:Passho Berry
:volcarona:

Other Items
:rocky helmet:Rocky Helmet
:skarmory::xatu::Reuniclus:|:garchomp::landorus-therian::Ferrothorn::Slowbro: :Tangrowth:
:focus sash:Focus Sash
:alakazam::garchomp::tyranitar::landorus-therian:|:mamoswine::terrakion::Excadrill::breloom::Aerodactyl:
:Air Balloon:Air Balloon
:Starmie::Heatran: :Excadrill: :Magnezone:| :Terrakion:
:Life Orb:Life Orb
:Garchomp: :Starmie: :Hydreigon: :Reuniclus: :Scizor: :Terrakion:I :Alakazam::Latios: :Toxicroak: :Mamoswine: :Mienshao::Breloom:
 
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More Specific Utility

Ability / Moves
Magic Guard
:alakazam::reuniclus:
Magic Bounce
:xatu:
Wish
:jirachi:|:chansey:
Trick
:latios::starmie::rotom-wash:|:latias::jirachi::reuniclus::Gengar:
Healing Wish
:latias:|:cresselia::Jirachi:
Phazers
:skarmory::hippowdon::heatran::Latios:|:latias::garchomp::keldeo::slowking::tyranitar:
Knock Off
:gliscor::tornadus::ferrothorn::tentacruel:|:seismitoad::tangrowth::Landorus-Therian:
Worry Seed
:ferrothorn:|:tangrowth::amoonguss:
Encore
:alakazam::politoed:
Reflect
:xatu:|:latios:
Light Screen
None |:latios:
Taunt
:gliscor::jellicent::skarmory::heatran::tornadus::Mew: |:sableye::tyranitar::gengar::terrakion::Hydreigon:
Memento
None |:latios:
Substitute
:Mamoswine::keldeo::latias::tornadus::garchomp::terrakion::excadrill::heatran::Tentacruel::jirachi::alakazam::magnezone::gyarados::dragonite::Breloom::thundurus-therian:|:gengar::moltres::kyurem::Toxicroak::Gliscor:

Status
Burn
:starmie::rotom-wash::gastrodon::slowbro::politoed::heatran::mew::ninetales::tentacruel::jellicent::keldeo::seismitoad:|:latios::latias::reuniclus::gengar::moltres::slowking::sableye::milotic:
Paralysis
:Rotom-Wash::ferrothorn::tyranitar::amoonguss::breloom::cresselia::alakazam::thundurus-therian::slowbro::Latios::reuniclus::jirachi:|:slowking::magnezone::tangrowth::starmie::zapdos::Latias::Skarmory::chansey:
Poison
:heatran::politoed::tentacruel::excadrill::gastrodon::starmie::gliscor::keldeo::jirachi::hippowdon::cresselia::slowbro:|:chansey::bronzong::terrakion::garchomp::milotic::slowking::xatu::Landorus-Therian:
 
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I think Worry seed could be added with ferro (I think I might've seen it on tangrowth too????)

I also think Politoed could probably be added behind the line for fight gem.

And I guess Forretress could be added to volt switch but does that even really count for something like this? eh

Fringier stuff, so it can go either way. Nice thread btw :blobthumbsup:
 
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Icemann said:
I think Worry seed could be added with ferro (I think I might've seen it on tangrowth too????)

I also think Politoed could probably be added behind the line for fight gem.

And I guess Forretress could be added to volt switch but does that even really count for something like this? eh

Fringier stuff, so it can go either way. Nice thread btw :blobthumbsup:
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Worry Seed is a good catch, I can add that.

I don’t think Politoed has enough of a niche rn to warrant a mention for fight gem tbh, even water gem is a bit eh atm.

I’ll add Forre as a niche Volt Switcher for sure when im back on PC.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe everything is listed from best to worst in terms of viability. If that is indeed the case then why is starmie the top spinner? It seems like it is pretty clearly outshined by both Excadrill on both rain and sand teams and by Tentacruel on rain teams.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe everything is listed from best to worst in terms of viability. If that is indeed the case then why is starmie the top spinner? It seems like it is pretty clearly outshined by both Excadrill on both rain and sand teams and by Tentacruel on rain teams.
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They are not listed from best to worse in viability. It’s simply listed whether they’re common or niche.
 
Please correct some pokémon images that are not showing in the lists.

Some adds that you can do in the list that show tour usages:
Amoonguss in the Worry Seed section and Riolu in Phazzers.
Omastar in the Shell Smash section and Celebi in the niche SD section (SD + Batom Pass is a tour set).
Remove Landorus in Groun Gem, he never use it. Place Thundurus in the niche section of Volt Switch and add Hydreigon in the niche U-turn.
Whimsicott can be added in the Encore / Tailwind / U-turn niche sections, same as Latios with Reflect / Light Screen / Prz.
Skarmory lead is standart with Salac Berry, not Custab. Same for Tyranitar Choice Band as it his worst set but you can add CB Garchomp in the niche section as it have some theorys but never see tour usage.
Also create a Taunt, Substitute and Memento section.

Good work in the list tho.
 
If stuff like omastar, gorebyss, sigilyph and whimsicott are on here, I feel like Roserade should be added, to the tspike section specifically. A defensive set with hp ice can do nicely against rain, especially cause of natural cure.(though I havent tested this, you could possibly run weather ball which in both rain and sand hits torn and thundy harder than hp ice, tho this is theorymonning atm and might possibly be shit lol) Its especially cool for bulkier sand builds with subtect heatran. It has less competition for a team slot because amoonguss is used much less. Though breloom is quite popular, rose is in a bit of a different vein so I feel like it still benefits from amoonguss being less viable.

Also not saying its bad that those mons are on the compendium, I just think rose is also among that group of nicher picks that still have a bit of value.

Not sure I would add it to regular spikes though... thoughts??

I also agree with adding baton pass
 
I think it might just be a broken image, but Conkeldurr should definitely be listed as a Bulk Up user. Also, I know it has max Defense investment, but I feel like Reuniclus doesn't really fit under the category of "physical wall" as that generally isn't its goal in the match. In addition, it might be worth it to have Reuniclus listed as a Trick Room user as well, even though its not particularly common.
 
Unless I'm blind and not seeing it, I think a magic bounce section with xatu, and espeon behind the line should be added, especially cause xatu has seen a bit more usage recently.

I also think a focus sash section should be added with: zam, loom, mamo, chomp, terrak, maybe lando or exca, and then behind the line like: ttar, aero, azelf, you can draw the line where you see fit lmao (i could be missing some their).

A rocky helmet section with skarm lando xatu and chomper could be added. Maybe others too

You could probably add loom to lum berry section.

If magneton is in trapper section, might as well put it in volt switch too

And finally i personally think donphan should be added to spin (and priority section too ig), its terrible but so is whimsicott, vaporeon etc. so might as well
 
Icemann said:
Unless I'm blind and not seeing it, I think a magic bounce section with xatu, and espeon behind the line should be added, especially cause xatu has seen a bit more usage recently.

I also think a focus sash section should be added with: zam, loom, mamo, chomp, terrak, maybe lando or exca, and then behind the line like: ttar, aero, azelf, you can draw the line where you see fit lmao (i could be missing some their).

A rocky helmet section with skarm lando xatu and chomper could be added. Maybe others too

You could probably add loom to lum berry section.

If magneton is in trapper section, might as well put it in volt switch too

And finally i personally think donphan should be added to spin (and priority section too ig), its terrible but so is whimsicott, vaporeon etc. so might as well
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I added the Magic Bounce, Rocky Helmet, and Focus Sash sections with some differences from the mons you listed in those sections. Good suggestions for sections! Also added Breloom to the Lum Berry Section. Just decided to remove Magneton altogether and same goes for other shit unviables like Gorebyss and Whimsicott, they don't see enough use or hold enough of a niche imo to where I think they should be listed. Also, Vaporeon holds more of a niche than these Pokemon so I'm going to maintain keeping it listed for now. Also, no to Donphan for the same reasons I removed Gorebyss and Whimsicott.
 
Keldeo can be added to the Aqua jet section as a niche user of the move that allows him to pick off a Zam with 1hp left, which can be certainly game changing.

btw: some of the images you have above dont appear
 
Icemann said:
I'm on PC and some of them don't load. On firefox tho so it could be that maybe

You could add nite behind the line for agility because of that old rain set
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I use Chrome, and they all load perfectly fine for me. Apologies for the apparent misinfo, I don't have any experience with other browsers so I can only speak from my experience. Also, hard no to Agility Dnite for the same reason I said no to Donphan and removed stuff like Magneton.
 
I would suggest adding Aerodactyl to the Stealth Rock part of the Entry Hazards section because of its viability, and the fact that it has the ability to prevent not just entry hazard leads from setting up, but can also tear stall teams apart with Taunt and deal with Ferro. It does have access to Stealth Rock but can be considered for many roles, I'm tired so I can't list them all. Nice thread, really helped me to build some new teams and win a few games.
 
Really great work here, there isn't a lot missing. Images are all fixed as well so thank you for that.
Its looking pretty complete atm, but I have a few more suggestions:

:Mew: Mew definately needs to go into the Taunt catagory, since its staple set is the stallbreaker mew set.

:Ferrothorn: Ferrothorn can and has run the Rocky helmet to really punish U-turns and other such contact moves. It is a more niche ferrothorn set.

:Jirachi: Jirachi can go into Healing Wish catagory. Kinda older set, but viable on more offensive teams to get a low HP or status'd sweeper back in to finish out games. I think H wish is niche all together, so you decide whether H-wish Jirachi niche in this catagory or not.

:terrakion: Priority could have Quick attack for CB terrakion which is a viable 4th move for him. Up to you.

:metagross: More niche suggestion (feel free to say no). CB metagross can trap with pursuit (Niche like weavile tho). Metagross as whole isn't very good atm tho I admit, but you do already have him here for a few catagories like Bullet Punch, Choice Band, and Agility, so adding this role is worth it.

:Breloom: Is Loom with fighting gem still a thing post spore ban? Pre spore Fighting gem: Spore / focus Punch sets were really good, but I dont see how its as good any more with out the ability to use spore to generate that free turn. The same goes for sash Loom as well which iirc used the sash to get that spore off early on HO builds, but I don't see it working with out spore. Probably should remove that now, but could be wrong.

:ferrothorn: Any reason why ferrothorn is listed as a mixed wall and special wall but not a physical wall?

Once again good job. Thank you for maintaining this.

Edit: :breloom: he can be added to the substitute users his substitute focus punch set thats pretty good (Finch used it vs raiza last spl semis I think?)
 
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FNH said:
Really great work here, there isn't a lot missing. Images are all fixed as well so thank you for that.
Its looking pretty complete atm, but I have a few more suggestions:

:Mew: Mew definately needs to go into the Taunt catagory, since its staple set is the stallbreaker mew set.

:Ferrothorn: Ferrothorn can and has run the Rocky helmet to really punish U-turns and other such contact moves. It is a more niche ferrothorn set.

:Jirachi: Jirachi can go into Healing Wish catagory. Kinda older set, but viable on more offensive teams to get a low HP or status'd sweeper back in to finish out games. I think H wish is niche all together, so you decide whether H-wish Jirachi niche in this catagory or not.

:terrakion: Priority could have Quick attack for CB terrakion which is a viable 4th move for him. Up to you.

:metagross: More niche suggestion (feel free to say no). CB metagross can trap with pursuit (Niche like weavile tho). Metagross as whole isn't very good atm tho I admit, but you do already have him here for a few catagories like Bullet Punch, Choice Band, and Agility, so adding this role is worth it.

:Breloom: Is Loom with fighting gem still a thing post spore ban? Pre spore Fighting gem: Spore / focus Punch sets were really good, but I dont see how its as good any more with out the ability to use spore to generate that free turn. The same goes for sash Loom as well which iirc used the sash to get that spore off early on HO builds, but I don't see it working with out spore. Probably should remove that now, but could be wrong.

:ferrothorn: Any reason why ferrothorn is listed as a mixed wall and special wall but not a physical wall?

Once again good job. Thank you for maintaining this.

Edit: :breloom: he can be added to the substitute users his substitute focus punch set thats pretty good (Finch used it vs raiza last spl semis I think?)
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I’ve added all of these! Thanks for the valuable suggestions. Also, to respond to the post above, no, I’m not putting Aerodactyl.
 
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Why there is a Gyarados in the SR category and there is no Garchomp there too?

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Add
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in Tailwind and Paralysis (Thunder Wave user).

Add
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in Paralysis (Thunder in rain).

Add
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in the Custab, Substitute and Dragon Gem sections.

Add
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and
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in Rocky Helmet.

Add
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in Knock Off.

Add
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in Lum and Yache Berry.

#FreeTheUnviableMonsToo
 
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Caetano93 said:
Why there is a Gyarados in the SR category and there is no Garchomp there too?

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Add View attachment 268563 in Tailwind and Paralysis (Thunder Wave user).

Add View attachment 268566 in Paralysis (Thunder in rain).

Add View attachment 268564 in the Custab, Substitute and Dragon Gem sections.

Add View attachment 268565 View attachment 268567View attachment 268568 and View attachment 268569in Rocky Helmet.

Add View attachment 268570 in Knock Off.

Add View attachment 268571 in Lum and Yache Berry.

#FreeTheUnviableMonsToo
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Fixe the Gyara thing, shoulda been a chomp. added all of these. no im not adding unviable mons kek.

EDIT: added tr reuni, sub tenta, and rotom to paralysis
 
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