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not to be pretentious but yall should really read this… C.H.A.T. (Come Here for All Talk)
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happy new year. can't believe we've made it to the year 1012.5 + half its length
Nah fr. It’s hard to give so many things a genuine critical analysis because so many drones will say how you’re wrong and how it’s “peak”, “ass”, or the worst of all, “mid”.
see also: the words "overrated"/"underrated" completely losing all meaning.
It's exacerbated by the attention economy. Hyperbole tends to attract eyes, so there's a social and often financial incentive for people to use it to the point of comic absurdity.
The Megaman fanbase is the best/smartest fanbase for a dead game franchise cuz they locked in and started making their own new content even before capcom gave up
this hits home because the story of lobotomy corporation is a fucking masterpiece but the gameplay is easily mistaken for a CIA torture method
A bit of a rant, but…
Art is simply not the way it used to be.
I’d argue that it is important to enjoy all kinds of art, high and low. It is important to enjoy, things such as The Ghent Altarpiece whilst owning the entire collection of the Jackass series. But the question is this: Why is art not the same?
1. Authenticity.
Most artists do not remain authentic to their art. This jarring idea is what causes such shock to the system when they see artist contradicting themselves. I will die on the hill that Martin Scorsese is one of the great American filmmakers, but I will gladly roll my eyes and tell him to fuck off if he’s making American Express commercials. Obviously, some examples are much more extreme than others, but my point still. I could go off about how much Taylor Swift loves being an industry baby, but it’s important to know when to end.*
2. Audiences.
Audiences have become more cynical about their art. It’s become so dumbed down that anything that requires any sort of thinking has been tossed to the side by a good 70% of audience members. Anything remotely challenging or seen as grey, questionable, or the big one, morally ambiguous, is seen as pretentious, snobbish and arrogant. If they see an actor they don’t like, they will immediately shun whatever they’re witnessing.
3. Today’s Social Climate.
In today’s world, people’s image are held in incredibly high regard. If we are to, say enjoy a movie with a scene in bad taste (For example, Quentin Tarantino’s self insert in Pulp Fiction), we would be seen as a horrible person by others. It’s this need to be squeaky clean that grows us more into the idea of not being who we truly hard, which is the breakdown of identity.
4. Moral Assertions
Most often, alongside Number 3, movies usually are falling into this. Moral Assertions are used in media a ton, not to draw feelings out of the audience. It’s this tool that serves not the people, but rather, the director, and by extension, the company.
I am way too fucking tired to talk about this right now. If you want anything updated just let me know
Art is simply not the way it used to be.
I’d argue that it is important to enjoy all kinds of art, high and low. It is important to enjoy, things such as The Ghent Altarpiece whilst owning the entire collection of the Jackass series. But the question is this: Why is art not the same?
1. Authenticity.
Most artists do not remain authentic to their art. This jarring idea is what causes such shock to the system when they see artist contradicting themselves. I will die on the hill that Martin Scorsese is one of the great American filmmakers, but I will gladly roll my eyes and tell him to fuck off if he’s making American Express commercials. Obviously, some examples are much more extreme than others, but my point still. I could go off about how much Taylor Swift loves being an industry baby, but it’s important to know when to end.*
2. Audiences.
Audiences have become more cynical about their art. It’s become so dumbed down that anything that requires any sort of thinking has been tossed to the side by a good 70% of audience members. Anything remotely challenging or seen as grey, questionable, or the big one, morally ambiguous, is seen as pretentious, snobbish and arrogant. If they see an actor they don’t like, they will immediately shun whatever they’re witnessing.
3. Today’s Social Climate.
In today’s world, people’s image are held in incredibly high regard. If we are to, say enjoy a movie with a scene in bad taste (For example, Quentin Tarantino’s self insert in Pulp Fiction), we would be seen as a horrible person by others. It’s this need to be squeaky clean that grows us more into the idea of not being who we truly hard, which is the breakdown of identity.
4. Moral Assertions
Most often, alongside Number 3, movies usually are falling into this. Moral Assertions are used in media a ton, not to draw feelings out of the audience. It’s this tool that serves not the people, but rather, the director, and by extension, the company.
I am way too fucking tired to talk about this right now. If you want anything updated just let me know
These harry bertoia sculptures are nothing more than metal wires and sell for thousands
Michaelangelo must be rolling in his grave
Lots of people make low effort art now a days. And the lucky ones somehow get people to believe it's special and worth paying lots of money for.
The duck taped banana is the most recent and rediculous example
Michaelangelo must be rolling in his grave
Lots of people make low effort art now a days. And the lucky ones somehow get people to believe it's special and worth paying lots of money for.
The duck taped banana is the most recent and rediculous example
That's... not correct. The Bertoia sculptures aren't just metal wires, they're sound sculptures, they're instruments. Bertoia spent decades experimenting with different metals and structures, creating these specialized ranges of sound that anyone, even if they don't know anything about the art, can bring together to make music. In fact, poisoning from all the metals in his employ may have killed him – he may have, actually, died for his art.
Unfortunately, it's easy to misunderstand the effort that goes into various forms of art, and why they can impact people. At least in the United States, there's a "common sense" understanding that non-traditional art forms are just bait for pretentious snobs, not reflecting any craft, and/or carrying juvenile, immature heart at best. However, these stereotypes are often untrue. In general, when something seems ridiculously over-valued or over-praised, I learn a lot by doing some quick research to see why they value it.
On the other side of the coin, traditional art has an unfortunate history as government propaganda, forgery, and egoistic status symbols. The great video "Who's Afraid of Modern Art" explains how certain societal actors use a shallow appreciation of traditional art to cudgel all "deviance" that doesn't follow their selfish social norms. These harms do not diminish the value of these forms of art, and neither do I pretend non-traditional art is immune from systemic problems. However, I think the perspective of traditional art's failings is valuable.
To further see why I value non-traditional art, I wrote a short defense of abstract modern art here.
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That's great! Me neither! To my understanding, they used to be open to the public, but unfortunately that is less true now due to maintenance issues, among other problems. If one lives in certain states, some of the structures are public works. Hopefully they can be played! Listening to their recordings is not quite the same as listening to them and playing them in person, but those recordings are at least in the 1 or 2 digit price range, and not the 4 digit price range. There are also other sound sculptures not made my Bertoia, which are considerably less expensive (if still sometimes expensive). Searching "sound sculpture" in e.g. Google Shopping will give some options.
I doubt you are going to eBay a sound sculpture right now, but I wanted to highlight how art is often more accessible, and intended to be more accessible, than is commonly believed.
I like modern and contemporary art. i love how unique it can be and how much people try to innovate, even if it just looks like children scribbles or thrown together materials.
im an artist myself, and i draw pretty basic things: illustration, character design etc. while stuff like paintings are impressive and show skills that i wish to learn, modern and contemporary art is much more impressive to me because my ass could not do that. im too stuck in the real, material world and struggle with abstractions and cohesiveness
im an artist myself, and i draw pretty basic things: illustration, character design etc. while stuff like paintings are impressive and show skills that i wish to learn, modern and contemporary art is much more impressive to me because my ass could not do that. im too stuck in the real, material world and struggle with abstractions and cohesiveness
ngl the biggest problem with modern art isnt the art made by artists, its knowing how at every turn companies screw over artists cause they know they can do whatever, they can always hire more if the current ones have enough. not only with how much ai "art" (that really is a algorithm trying to create what its seen before in a new way, but algorithms just cannot make up for humans being able to loosely interpret things, and i think even the worst artist is better at making hands than ai), but also with how much they can get overworked and or underpaid. ironically, art is the most accessible it has ever been, cause anyone can make just about most known/traditional forms of art, and digital art can be made in a lot more ways then you think, instead of just in ur MS paint.
Literally just engage with good art and don't engage with bad art. I'm not trying to be funny it genuinely is that easy
speaking of good art -- early maisetober reminder for all maiseheads!
krita alone has done so much for digital art being beginner-friendly, even if the app is difficult to use and mandates having a drawing tablet at some point down the line (i got one for osu anyways so that didn't really affect me)
Honestly, I must say that I enjoy digital art a lot more than physical art. And on the topic of modern vs. contemporary art, I just can't see the 'oh look at how impressive/cool/interesting this is' with a couple of red, blue, and yellow rectangles. I love art from the Impressionist age and before, I love how realistic old paintings looked, and while some people would get tired of it, I don't. I love Van Gogh's style probably the most out of any famous artist. And I agree with the idea that AI can't interpret stuff the way a human can. Us humans all see the same thing (e. g., a banana) differently. Whether it be to physical stuff like colorblindness, or mental stuff like 'bananas don't taste that great', we all see a banana a little differently. AI, on the other hand, doesn't. AI 'art,' if you can even call it that, is nothing but a bunch of colors statistically generated about which one is most likely to come next with the given prompt. AI isn't even actual intelligence, just statistics. My conclusion: AI is more of a fun toy to mess around with once in a while rather than the next great artist. AI cannot make new stuff. Only take the old and reskin it. AI cannot interpret one prompt differently, they all boil down to be basically the same. Meanwhile, two people can interpret something simple like a city and make something quite different. Anyway, thanks for reading my big ol' rant.
do you guys prefer pancakes or waffles?
we have a thread for this
Do you believe in wormholes?
They could exist according to some space experts. But it is theoretical and require existence of other poorly understood and unencountered things.
I would like to believe but I do not at this point. As far as I can understand it all seems like science fiction that is support by ideas of very smart people. And I wounder if investigating these ideas will yield better understanding of the universe or if it remains to be just theoretical ideas that lead no where in the grand scheme of things
They could exist according to some space experts. But it is theoretical and require existence of other poorly understood and unencountered things.
I would like to believe but I do not at this point. As far as I can understand it all seems like science fiction that is support by ideas of very smart people. And I wounder if investigating these ideas will yield better understanding of the universe or if it remains to be just theoretical ideas that lead no where in the grand scheme of things