Can Sleep Clause and Sky Shaymin coesxist?

[cim]

Hi.

Sleep Clause on Shoddy Battle is implemented so that if a direct sleep move would break the clause, the move fails. Yawn is set up so nothing goes to sleep if it would break Sleep Clause, though the move does not fail. This is identical to the implementation in Pokémon Battle Revolution.

Skymin is only playable in a link battle between two copies of Pokémon Platinum.

Thus, by allowing Sky Shaymin, we cannot have a software implementation of Sleep Clause as we do, because it is not possible in the type of play that is simulated with Sky Shaymin (link play). It is not possible to play a version of Pokémon with both soft Sleep Clause and Sky Shaymin.

So, what can be done?
1. Eliminate Sky Shaymin and simulate PBR. I don't prefer this idea.
2. Implement Sleep Clause differently. For example, "if you put a second Pokémon to sleep, you lose the game".

Implementation 2 has problems if a Pokémon's Sleep move is Encored by some Insomnia trapper, which Baton Passes to something, then switches to a third 'mon, forcing a lose. Trap / Encore / Pass with Insomnia isn't available on anything, it's a theoretical situation. Perhaps others exist? This was one on the top of my head.

A better example is a Lum Berry Wynaut Encoring a Spore, being put to sleep, then switching out, forcing the opponent to break Sleep Clause and lose the game.

So what do we do? We have to faithfully simulate some version of Pokémon or else we're not playing Pokémon anymore.

 

[Kittymew]

Honestly, our guys have, for now, kicked Sky Shaymin out, at least until it becomes available in a competitive format. Local wireless is something I'm all for completely ignoring, and the Nintendo tournaments are an absolute joke.

That said, I think your argument is largely a farce, because we've been soft-implementing sleep clause in the old javascript battle simulators long before Stadium ever even came out.

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

Well if that or another theoretical situation does occur you could just be forced to switch around or use moves that will not do anything and wait it out until that pokémon wakes up.

That situation is only possible if you would keep using a sleep move on the Insomnia pokémon... Why you would do that and allow yourself to get Mean Looked and Encored is beyond me.

 

[cim]

I think a better example would be if a Lum Berry Wynaut Encored a lead faster Sleep move, then putting itself to sweep, switching out, and leading to an instant win by the Wynaut user if the alternate Sleep Clause I proposed was implemented.

--Added to the OP.

That said, I think your argument is largely a farce, because we've been soft-implementing sleep clause in the old javascript battle simulators long before Stadium ever even came out.

I don't agree with that approach to battling, as that's not simulating the game anymore.

 

[petrie911]

Of course, if Skymin is voted Uber this is largely irrelevant. While I suppose accuracy of simulation in Ubers is sort of important, it's less so than in OU.

 

[Jiggy-Ninja]

I believe the spirit of the Sleep Clause is "If you willfully put two of your opponent's Pokemon to Sleep, you forfeit the battle."

An Encored Spore is NOT a willful situation, so it seems unfair to lose because of that.

 

[RBG]

We played with assumed sleep clause in 4th gen before PBR

I feel confident in assuming a new Wii game will come out with the new forms and Shaymin-S and Appliance Rotoms

 

[cim]

We played with assumed sleep clause in 4th gen before PBR

I feel confident in assuming a new Wii game will come out with the new forms and Shaymin-S and Appliance Rotoms

One could say that they feel confident Nintendo will release Arceus, yet we don't allow that.

Sleep Clause wasn't software implemented in SHoddy Battle until after PBR, though this is probably a coincidence. It was assumed you would forfeit your unrated match if you broke it.

 

[makiri]

The Sleep Clause was invented by the competitive community well before PBR. While we simulate the games, there has never been a way to enforce Sleep Clause in link play other than saying you forfeit should you sleep two of your opponents Pokemon. The competitive community created the Sleep Clause for balance issues to prevent an opponent from sleeping an entire team, very similar to DT and OHKO clauses that PBR can do nothing about. Skymin is completely unrelated and neither should affect the other whatsoever.