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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Base Stat Submission Thread

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I like a bulky:
105/55/90/85/90/115
That comes to a BST of 540.
We can easily put more in defenses and attack if necessary, but I think it should be as bulky and speedy as that.
Overall its 333.
 
Urza said:
after setting up trick room, a faster pokemon would have a slow u-turn, which wouldn't actually be an awful thing...
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Awful thing? This is HUGE. Especially if this thing has decent defenses...Trick Room, take a hit (probably with have a 50% recovery move as well), U-Turn out.

So how its awesome ;D
 
X-Act said:
BST means absolutely nothing!
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base stat totals do matter though, they decide how the pokemon preforms. take a physical sweeping pokemon. 80/140/80/60/80/140 is alot better than 80/140/60/60/60/140. although its main stats (atk and speed) are the same, the first would preform better due to have more defence.
 
Danyul said:
I think GT's with the base 110 Special Attack is much too offensive, but I think around 90-100 in an attacking stat is where we should be looking.
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I don't have like two more within this thread. Th latest one was just more messing around and trying to find a stat spread that I like the most.
 
Atlas said:
base stat totals do matter though, they decide how the pokemon preforms. take a physical sweeping pokemon. 80/140/80/60/80/140 is alot better than 80/140/60/60/60/140. although its main stats (atk and speed) are the same, the first would preform better due to have more defence.
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Wouldn't it have a better Stats Rating too though?
 
Atlas said:
base stat totals do matter though, they decide how the pokemon preforms. take a physical sweeping pokemon. 80/140/80/60/80/140 is alot better than 80/140/60/60/60/140. although its main stats (atk and speed) are the same, the first would preform better due to have more defence.
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But is 100/100/100/100/100/100 (600 BST) any better than 1 / 100 / 199 / 100 / 199 / 1 (BST) Hell yeah! Is a 600 Base Stat Ranking better than any other Pokemon with a 600 Base Stat Ranking? Only type and movepool will tell.
 
Well, I'm kinda sure we'd need to change our spreads anyway to conform to the voted PSB, ODB and Rating.
 
105/75/95/60/95/115 = 545

This gives it a really defensive set, but allows to tank if wanted. 105 gives it big subs, for what thats worth.
115 out speeds nearly all of it's theoretical counters(Skarmory,Gengar,Celebi etc.) Except for weavile, Dugtrio, or scarf users. 75 is good for doing some damage, and if we give it somthing to buff up, then it has a chance to sweep. Sp. is just somthing I took out of, because outside of Sludge Bomb, we won't be needing it.
The HP, and Defence combination give it defense similar to Garchomp and Muk.
 
I would like to see soemthing like

HP: 150
Attack: 85
Defense: 70
Sp Attack: 95
Sp defense: 70
Speed: 90

BST: 540

I had in mind a nuclear power plant sort of thing prior to the decision to make it poison/Ground like the Nidos. I think this pokemon has good staying power, and okay offenses and more importantly decent but not god speed.
 
Ah, time for my viewpoint. Considering it's a utility pokemon, defensive ability should be pretty decent, enough to take a good hit, and yet not high enough to become another Pyroak. The Speed>>everyone else theme is penismunch, sadly: After all, we don't want ourselves a SR-resistant Crobat with a spread like this...

85/90/80/70/80/130

As we see, this is a BST of 535, and is the spread Crobat uses. My thoughts on Speed is that it should be high enough to only just outrun Adamant ScarfCross with a Speed+ Nature. In this case, We're looking at a Base Speed with Jolly of 128, which gives us a base Speed of 117.

Considering the pokemon has a spread of 540, this gives us:

x/x/x/x/x/117

and leaves us with 423 left. Now, considering that it's either going to be slightly Offensive or Somewhat Defensive, the next two spreads will show what I'm looking at for both scenarios.

Slightly Offensive

93/90/77/86/77/117

With this Attack Stat (Equal to Crobat), it gets some offensive ability while remaining bulky enough to take a non-SE hit from something like Heracross, like with CC or MH. The odd HP is generally to fall in line with it having 390 HP, which is rather chunky if short of the magic 401+ needed to eat ST.

Somewhat Defensive

93/70/95/75/90/117

This set generally exists for the ability to actually take EQ from someone like Heracross who doesn't get STAB for it, and also allows one to take special hits reasonably well too. With little need for offensive ability (Just look at Cresselia's sweeping ability with that offensive power and it still gets a couple of kills), Attack and Specia Attack are sacrificed for favour of defense, which is pretty much a want in this scenario, and once again the speed allows them to outrun Adamant ScarfCross and no more when holding a Speed+ nature.
 
I prefer the slightly defensive, and I like having horrible attack but mediocre special attack. I also like base 103 speed, just to laugh at Garchomp. Of course, it could be better. Good defenses balance it out.

Oh, right...100/52/100/85/95/103

Of course, it blistering speed is needed, it could, in essence, be a Ninjask with a support movepool. I actually think that would be funny...It would need U-turn/Baton Pass to escape the wrath of Pursuit and some prediction required to escape priority moves.

So...40/80/85/50/85/140, maybe? I don't know, actually...

Hm...I got a little too detailed, I believe...
 
BST is meaningless from a competive standpoint. However, it is important from a perception standpoint. I know I already beat this drum earlier when pleading for not-excessive speed -- but it IS IMPORTANT what the normal metagame player thinks of our pokemon when they first evaluate it. First impressions are lasting impressions.

Syclant has never shaken the perception that it can 6-0 just about any team by itself. That is totally false, and in fact, I think Syclant is not nearly as dominant as I thought it would be. I do think some things need to be changed on Syclant -- but my main reasons for change is to remove the PERCEPTION problem with the pokemon, not so much the competitive problems.

With that in mind, the BST is a very common way many people evaluate the stats of a pokemon. For that reason, I think we should impose a cap on the BST. Not because it matter competitively, but just to prevent the general public from lambasting the project. I can hear it now...

"LOLZ! Yet another broken pokemon from the CAP project. This time they gave one 580 BST! Can you say 'fanboy uber'?"
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I think 555 should be the upper limit, since that is the highest BST by a pokemon under the 580 uber-trio number. Perhaps 540 should be our limit. There are many pokes at 540, and only Arcanine (555) and Togekiss (545) are higher.

Let me repeat: I am not saying BST has any competitive significance. I am strictly referring to the perception issues associated with BST. We can do whatever we want on the CAP project. We can say "To hell with everyone else!" But I think it is a good idea to keep our metagame as accessible as possible to normal competitive players. Keeping BST under a certain limit would help that.
 
Flash_gearz said:
105/75/95/60/95/115 = 540

This gives it a really defensive set, but allows to tank if wanted. 100 gives it 101 subs, for what thats worth.
115 out speeds nearly all of it's theoretical counters(Skarmory,Gengar,Celebi etc.) Except for weavile, Dugtrio, or scarf users. 75 is good for doing some damage, and if we give it somthing to buff up, then it has a chance to sweep. Sp. is just somthing I took out of, because outside of Sludge Bomb, we won't be needing it.
The HP, and Defence combination give it defense similar to Garchomp and Muk.
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I have a similar spread.
105/55/90/85/90/115
The only real difference is that mine destroys the attack stat, because I want this to be special biased. Sludge Bomb and Earth Power are viable alternatives to Earthquake and Poison Stab. Overall the special side would win because of its secondary effects. The attacks have the same base total. But some can argue that Attack is better because of earthquake
 
omgthatkid95 said:
I have a similar spread.
105/55/90/85/90/115
The only real difference is that mine destroys the attack stat, because I want this to be special biased. Sludge Bomb and Earth Power are viable alternatives to Earthquake and Poison Stab. Overall the special side would win because of its secondary effects. The attacks have the same base total. But some can argue that Attack is better because of earthquake
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Physicaly Gunk Shot is better then Sludge Bomb.
 
after playing around with my previous stat submissons i found this to be great, it isnt too fast or too slow and is still very bulky.

110/65/95/85/95/110 - 560 BST

110 Hp for bulky subtitutes to beat blissey

65 atk because were arent looking for another physical sweeper here

85 sp atk so we dont get a sitting duck like cresselia

95 defenses because we want a nice bulky supporter

110 speed because we want it to be fast but not too fast to make everyone think its broken.
 
Physical offensive
90/85/110/70/95/105 = 555

Special offensive
90/70/110/85/95/105 = 555

90 HP: A reasonably comfortable number to have. Enough HP to survive a few hits and with 252 EVs give you 384. That number yield a perfect leftover number.

85/70 Atk: Just enough strength to defend itself, but not enough to make it a sweeper without a Choice item.

110 Def: Gives this baby plently of bulk. It will be needing this bulk to survive the hits it takes, as well as being a great counter towards Luke and Heracross.

70/85 Sp.Atk: Same with Attack.

95 Sp. Def: Weaker of the two defenses, but it still give it enough defense to survive a special attack or two.

105 Spd: Enough speed to outspeed Garchomp and the 100 speed crew so it could possibly try and set up some support move or attack them with a SE move.

Basically it's a rehash of one of my submitted spread, but with 20 less HP and 5 less speed. It's within the "limit" Doug have mention. Personally I like the one with the 85 Special Attack, but that's just me.
 
I like yours GT.
But I'm still aiming for a higher speed stat.
And Is making 101 subs such a big deal?
I don't know why, but I like making the Hp above 100.
Hmmm...mine @ 555BST would be:
105/70/90/85/90/115
 
Gothic Togekiss said:
Physical offensive
90/85/110/70/95/105 = 555

Special offensive
90/70/110/85/95/105 = 555

Basically it's a rehash of one of my submitted spread, but with 20 less HP and 5 less speed. It's within the "limit" Doug have mention. Personally I like the one with the 85 sp. atk but that's just me.
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I quite like the latter BST spread as it's quite similar to my own, and i'm still of the opinion that this pokemon should be Special based. As i've also said I dont think this pokemons offenses need to be terrible to balance it out, something along the lines of 90-100 seem pretty ideal for this pokemon. With that i post my spread and link to my original post explaining the numbers behind the spread below so other's can get a view at it and a look at how it rates in X-Act's app.

90 / 60 / 110 / 100 / 95 / 105

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1290696&postcount=104

 
Gothic Togekiss said:
Physical offensive
90/85/110/70/95/105 = 555

Special offensive
90/70/110/85/95/105 = 555

Basically it's a rehash of one of my submitted spread, but with 20 less HP and 5 less speed. It's within the "limit" Doug have mention. Personally I like the one with the 85 sp. atk but that's just me.
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That "limit" I mentioned was just an opinion of mine as a concerned CAP project participant. We do not have any rule regarding BST limits, and I won't presume to impose one at the last minute in the middle of an ongoing CAP project.

I may bring up the issue in Policy Review for comment, if others support my suggestion. But, please don't think I have forced a new limit on BST as a result of my earlier post. I'm just speaking as a project member here when I implore stat spread creators to keep their spreads under that cap.
 
No-one's commenting on mine? Here it is again anyway, in case you missed it

Admiral_Stalfos19 said:
Not 100% sure if this is right, but here goes

110HP/90ATK/110DEF/70SAT/90SDF/85SPE

Total: 555 BST

110HP:

HP is nice and juicy for one reason. Tanking capabilities. After all, this is a pure utility PKMN.

90ATK/110DEF/70SAT/90SDF:

Yeah, I haven't looked at the style and whatnot, but from what I saw from other BST spreads I believe this is supposed to be physically biased, so the special stats are 20 less than the physical stats, and defences are 20 more than attacks to improve tanking capabilities. Enough said there.

85SPE

The last set of stats go here, into speed. It's not the fastest thing in the world, but it stills outspeeds most other tanks, such as TTar and Swampy.

Physical Sweepiness: 2
Physical Tankiness: 5
Special Sweepiness: 0
Special Tankiness: 3
Mod Bias to Defense
Bias to Physical
Overall Rating: Excellent

Rate away
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Gengar Master said:
Physicaly Gunk Shot is better then Sludge Bomb.
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Physical Gunk Shot is unreliable, and most likely won't be used on a Utility Pokemon. Maybe an outright attacker, like a sweeper, but Utility Pokemon are going to attack to do a bit of damage, not destroy things. And a costly miss is a bad thing, which is why I didn't include Gunk Shot.
So I think a special bias is more appealing than a physical one.
 
omgthatkid95 said:
Physical Gunk Shot is unreliable, and most likely won't be used on a Utility Pokemon. Maybe an outright attacker, like a sweeper, but Utility Pokemon are going to attack to do a bit of damage, not destroy things. And a costly miss is a bad thing, which is why I didn't include Gunk Shot.
So I think a special bias is more appealing than a physical one.
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It also has a 30% chance of Poison.
 
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