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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Part 1 (Concept Poll 1)
- Thread starter Sunday
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1. Ultimate Weather Abuser
Weather teams are fun, and this poke concept seems very interesting and fun. If this does get chosen, can't wait to see the change on the server.
2. Pure Utility
There's a lack in any real Utility poke, and when there is one, they sure don't have all those utility moves like Tailwind or Gravity. Would love to see this poke.
Weather teams are fun, and this poke concept seems very interesting and fun. If this does get chosen, can't wait to see the change on the server.
2. Pure Utility
There's a lack in any real Utility poke, and when there is one, they sure don't have all those utility moves like Tailwind or Gravity. Would love to see this poke.
1. Pure Utility Pokemon
2. Me First
Mainly because these are ideas that could potentially open a lot of new options
2. Me First
Mainly because these are ideas that could potentially open a lot of new options
1. Pure Utility Pokemon
2. Meteorology
I, personally love utility pokemon, as I find them refreshing from the all out offence some people end up playing (that and in-game, but I digress). And I would really like to see a pokemon who can effectively and unpredictably set up weather effects. It seems like a pokemon who could make a n opponent guess. And, if it matters at all, the runner up here to my current list would be the Gravity poke.
2. Meteorology
I, personally love utility pokemon, as I find them refreshing from the all out offence some people end up playing (that and in-game, but I digress). And I would really like to see a pokemon who can effectively and unpredictably set up weather effects. It seems like a pokemon who could make a n opponent guess. And, if it matters at all, the runner up here to my current list would be the Gravity poke.
1. Gravity Unit
2. I know what you're doing and I'm not going to allow it!
Gravity is one of my favorite strategies introduced in D/P.
The other option just sounds like it will be fun to make and use.
2. I know what you're doing and I'm not going to allow it!
Gravity is one of my favorite strategies introduced in D/P.
The other option just sounds like it will be fun to make and use.
1. Skill Swap Abuser
2. No Miss Breaker
I always thought that Skill Swap was an interesting move to use in battle, but I hate that so few can take advantage of it, so something that is more focused on using the attack would be nice.
As for the No Miss Breaker, the idea of using all the most accurate attacks in the game sounds really cool and interesting for possible move sets and can give these interesting moves a much-deserved use.
2. No Miss Breaker
I always thought that Skill Swap was an interesting move to use in battle, but I hate that so few can take advantage of it, so something that is more focused on using the attack would be nice.
As for the No Miss Breaker, the idea of using all the most accurate attacks in the game sounds really cool and interesting for possible move sets and can give these interesting moves a much-deserved use.
1. Me First!
2. I know what you're doing and I won't allow it!
I really wish more people would have voted for the 2nd one. The utility of a "scouting" pokemon would be so usefull... I could see everyone wanting to test it out, plus it helps with the "no counters before you know the set" problem.
2. I know what you're doing and I won't allow it!
I really wish more people would have voted for the 2nd one. The utility of a "scouting" pokemon would be so usefull... I could see everyone wanting to test it out, plus it helps with the "no counters before you know the set" problem.
No.
No.
These votes have not been included. Please take the time to re-read the OP and re-post your votes that conform to the rules stated in the op.
I'm sorry I had to do that.
Now, preliminary results. These serve to cut down on the work I have to do tomorow and also allow the discussion to move towards the next poll. Which is, by the way, voting for the winner from the concepts above the line. Keep in mind the concepts "above the line" could change between now and then.
Utility: 70
Spinner: 32
Weather Abuse: 22
Me First: 22
Garchomp Counter: 19
Lead: 16
Gravity: 15
Stat Buster: 12
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Fast Tank: 7
I know what you're doing: 7
Trick Room: 6
Status Counter: 6
No Miss: 5
Meteorology: 5
Item/Status abuse: 3
Armour Breaker: 2
Who stole my wallet?: 2
Skill Swaper: 1
Apologies for using the shorthand versions of the names.
Wow, Utility really rampaged through this thread. My idea got the second most votes.
Really the only difference between Utility and Anti-Ghost Spinner for me is a matter of offense.
Going back to one of my earlier posts, I said the idea in my head was to combine the best elements of Blastoise and Muk. Muk has a movepool with loads of Ghost and Dark moves and insane HP/special defense, Blastoise has good defensive stats a perfect movepool for warding off ghosts defensively.
Essentially I thought the anti-ghost spinner should be able to punish ghosts in an offensive manner, rather than Blastoise's shaky "Mirror Coat Gengar, Toxic Dusknoir/Spiritomb, pray you don't run into McGar or Sub/CM Mismagius" way of doing it.
In other words, if our Utility pokemon had Rapid Spin and some Ghost and Dark moves (that it could actually use proficiently), my concept could be satisfied in the same breath.
If you added the two together, the total would be 102 votes. That is slightly less than all the other high-scoring abilities combined (106 to 102).
That's practically, to use politi-speak: "A mandate by the people."
Really the only difference between Utility and Anti-Ghost Spinner for me is a matter of offense.
Going back to one of my earlier posts, I said the idea in my head was to combine the best elements of Blastoise and Muk. Muk has a movepool with loads of Ghost and Dark moves and insane HP/special defense, Blastoise has good defensive stats a perfect movepool for warding off ghosts defensively.
Essentially I thought the anti-ghost spinner should be able to punish ghosts in an offensive manner, rather than Blastoise's shaky "Mirror Coat Gengar, Toxic Dusknoir/Spiritomb, pray you don't run into McGar or Sub/CM Mismagius" way of doing it.
In other words, if our Utility pokemon had Rapid Spin and some Ghost and Dark moves (that it could actually use proficiently), my concept could be satisfied in the same breath.
If you added the two together, the total would be 102 votes. That is slightly less than all the other high-scoring abilities combined (106 to 102).
That's practically, to use politi-speak: "A mandate by the people."
( Err, am I late for the voting, or did Sunday simply put up the totals for other purposes? I'll vote anyways just in case )
1. Pure Utility
I really have to go with the majority and say I like the Pure Utility idea. It lends for the production of a very versatile Pokémon as far as creative processes go. It encompasses a lot of the other good ideas that are also here, so I think it makes a lot more sense that way. It's only because of the fact that this concept can do so much that I'm not including the Spinner in my votes --- considering this thing could probably do that, too.
2. Me First
After looking through all the remaining concepts, Me First is the only one I like left. I don't have as much reasoning for it because it's not really my first choice. I'm pretty much putting most of my weight in Pure Utility, as it's the only concept I like besides the ones that would be redundant next to the Utility concept. :/
1. Pure Utility
I really have to go with the majority and say I like the Pure Utility idea. It lends for the production of a very versatile Pokémon as far as creative processes go. It encompasses a lot of the other good ideas that are also here, so I think it makes a lot more sense that way. It's only because of the fact that this concept can do so much that I'm not including the Spinner in my votes --- considering this thing could probably do that, too.
2. Me First
After looking through all the remaining concepts, Me First is the only one I like left. I don't have as much reasoning for it because it's not really my first choice. I'm pretty much putting most of my weight in Pure Utility, as it's the only concept I like besides the ones that would be redundant next to the Utility concept. :/
This pure utility idea is giving me this "Jack of all trades, Master of none" vibe. I assume that if this idea wins we would started to think on which utility move(s) it should focus on.
I think three or four (counting pseudopassing as one) would be good.
1. Anti-Ghost Rapid Spin
2. Trick Room Unit
I have to say I'm so glad Garchomp counter is probably not going to win. Despite the concept conforming to the concept guidelines it is both a very restricting idea creatively and a very fraught one logistically. Anyway.
We NEED an Anti-Ghost Rapid Spinner people! To be fair on the Utility Poke supporters, I think most would agree that for the current OU metagame, Rapid Spin is one of if not the most useful utility moves there is. If that's a given then it's likely the two concepts could be rolled into one. Like Deck Knight says, there's very to divide the two.
2. Trick Room Unit
I have to say I'm so glad Garchomp counter is probably not going to win. Despite the concept conforming to the concept guidelines it is both a very restricting idea creatively and a very fraught one logistically. Anyway.
We NEED an Anti-Ghost Rapid Spinner people! To be fair on the Utility Poke supporters, I think most would agree that for the current OU metagame, Rapid Spin is one of if not the most useful utility moves there is. If that's a given then it's likely the two concepts could be rolled into one. Like Deck Knight says, there's very to divide the two.
Trick Room, Gravity, and Anti-Ghost Rapid Spinner could theoretically be placed into one Utility based mass and work successfully. It depends on how everyone thinks about it.
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Please do not respond to this post either -- since technically, this is an off-topic post. ;-)
1. True Garchomp Counter
I like this because it's something that would be very useful to the metagame, plus there are a lot of fun ways we could go with it. My only worry is that it might be difficult to accomplish in the usual piecewise fasion. I do love a challenge though.
2.Anti Ghost Rapid Spin
Another good idea that shakes up the metagame in an interesting way. Gives us quite a bit of freedom too.
I like this because it's something that would be very useful to the metagame, plus there are a lot of fun ways we could go with it. My only worry is that it might be difficult to accomplish in the usual piecewise fasion. I do love a challenge though.
2.Anti Ghost Rapid Spin
Another good idea that shakes up the metagame in an interesting way. Gives us quite a bit of freedom too.
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