Break the mold is only taking typing and making it a poke that it would not normally doing, however there are other pokemon like that, just other types. Very boring.
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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 1 (Concept Poll 2)
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Break the mold is only taking typing and making it a poke that it would not normally doing, however there are other pokemon like that, just other types. Very boring.
I picked the Break the Mold idea. It's very interesting, because it gives me ideas of a more powerful Spiritomb.
Why would we make a more powerful move a perfectly good OU poke?
Ova, it reminds me of a stronger Spiritomb, not that it is a stronger one. I love the concept a lot.
I think 'Break the mold' is waaay too broad an idea. I again chose priority pokemon, sad it won't make it =/
Ideas milling in my mind:
Pure Electric Physical Tank.
Sorry guys, but I really hate Togekiss and don't want to deal with neutrality to flying. Maybe with Motor Drive for some get up and go and lol Thunderwave. Magnezone's problem here is the weakness to Aura Sphere. We could even wrap this in with a Physical Tank Psychic, although I suppose complaints of weakness to EQ, Crunch, and Megahorn won't make it the envy of tanks (not that TTar would want to switch in if we gave it Cross Chop of Focus Punch or something).
Super-Defensive Fighter.
Yeah, I like Hariyama too, but he just doesn't have the right mix of stats and moves to be purely defensive. This also runs afoul of Togekiss, so it is rather backlot for now.
Rock Special Sweeper.
We'd need to give it something better than lol Power Gem, but it could be done.
Psychic Physical Sweeper:
Medicham/Gallade always struck me more as fighting with a psychic add-on. Psycho Cut and Zen Headbutt are both reasonably sound moves, and don't see much use.
Pure Electric Physical Tank.
Sorry guys, but I really hate Togekiss and don't want to deal with neutrality to flying. Maybe with Motor Drive for some get up and go and lol Thunderwave. Magnezone's problem here is the weakness to Aura Sphere. We could even wrap this in with a Physical Tank Psychic, although I suppose complaints of weakness to EQ, Crunch, and Megahorn won't make it the envy of tanks (not that TTar would want to switch in if we gave it Cross Chop of Focus Punch or something).
Super-Defensive Fighter.
Yeah, I like Hariyama too, but he just doesn't have the right mix of stats and moves to be purely defensive. This also runs afoul of Togekiss, so it is rather backlot for now.
Rock Special Sweeper.
We'd need to give it something better than lol Power Gem, but it could be done.
Psychic Physical Sweeper:
Medicham/Gallade always struck me more as fighting with a psychic add-on. Psycho Cut and Zen Headbutt are both reasonably sound moves, and don't see much use.
IMO latino's "break the mold" is far too broad. The idea of the concept poll is to give the remaining polls direction, and that concept gives them none. Each completed poll should move us closer and closer to the end product; however with "break the mold" every typing, stat distribution, move, and stat bias is still a possibility. We might as well have picked "no concept".
I'm not saying my concept is necessarily the best (honestly I thought GT's was better), but at least with mine we would have some idea of what to do in the next poll, other than try to develop everyone's individual pet project (pretty much the only reasoning I've seen for break the mold is "yeah a defensive dragon would be cool!" or similar. Tennis can say "no poll jumping" but otherwise no one can give reasoning for why they want the concept).
Also, once we pick the type it will be pretty clear how the other polls turn out...if we pick dragon it will be defensive; electric it will be a wall, etc.
But I suppose all this is in vain, since it's pretty clear that my and Mag's ideas will not be winning this =/
I'm not saying my concept is necessarily the best (honestly I thought GT's was better), but at least with mine we would have some idea of what to do in the next poll, other than try to develop everyone's individual pet project (pretty much the only reasoning I've seen for break the mold is "yeah a defensive dragon would be cool!" or similar. Tennis can say "no poll jumping" but otherwise no one can give reasoning for why they want the concept).
Also, once we pick the type it will be pretty clear how the other polls turn out...if we pick dragon it will be defensive; electric it will be a wall, etc.
But I suppose all this is in vain, since it's pretty clear that my and Mag's ideas will not be winning this =/
Tennis, maybe since latino's concept is a tad too broad, we could combine it with the second place concept?
Right now that would be a Pokemon that "breaks the mold of its typing while getting benefits from having low HP."
Right now that would be a Pokemon that "breaks the mold of its typing while getting benefits from having low HP."
No.
i'm thinking that if we do "break the mold" that, should a tank be chosen, it may have some complications if its typing is easily countered (like the supposed Dragon- or Electric- tanks. IB and EQ are very common.) Offensive-wise, what could be used that hasn't already been done, aside from the Psychic Physical sweeper?
Breaking the Mold already exsists to an extent in the game. I don't see how that even narrows down the pokemon that will be made. I think the reason that its winning is because so many people have their own little niche of pokemon they want to make ( def dragon, elect tank ect...) that when we reach the stage of selecting type, what the "mold" for each type is, how we are breaking it, that we will be dealing with a clustermess of a situation.
Although it's a nice novelty, I'm a bit worried about the leading concept, not only because it seems to lack direction as others also believe ( although that direction should affirm itself more after typing has been decided ), but also because it seems unlikely to lead to anything the metagame actually "needs".
Unless of course people are just dying to see more IB abuse with the coming of a Defensive Dragon or more Rock-weak-type decline now that Fidgit is ( hopefully ) fixing some of the SR mess we were all whining about.
I always thought it would make more sense to address gaps that needed to be bridged before going into "neat ideas", and I believe this was Doug's train of thought when he was championing the "Role = what something is, not what it does" view back in the PR thread for Role Submussions. But I suppose this could work too.
Contrary to my post, I voted "Break the Mold" because there's more chance it could at least instrumentally fill metagame gaps in comparison to the others; perhaps that special-based Fighting/Flying type some people have been wanting for CAP-countering.
Unless of course people are just dying to see more IB abuse with the coming of a Defensive Dragon or more Rock-weak-type decline now that Fidgit is ( hopefully ) fixing some of the SR mess we were all whining about.
I always thought it would make more sense to address gaps that needed to be bridged before going into "neat ideas", and I believe this was Doug's train of thought when he was championing the "Role = what something is, not what it does" view back in the PR thread for Role Submussions. But I suppose this could work too.
Contrary to my post, I voted "Break the Mold" because there's more chance it could at least instrumentally fill metagame gaps in comparison to the others; perhaps that special-based Fighting/Flying type some people have been wanting for CAP-countering.
I chose Break the Mold because it seems to have the best potential as far as the design pool goes. It seems very open, allowing a plethora of different ideas as far as what the Pokemon would look like. (I have to admit, though, I'm a lot more biased toward the visual design over technical design.) On the other hand, the main drawback I see is that there may be TOO many designs being submitted (the art concept threads for CAP 4 were plenty crazy enough) and things could get a bit out of hand (assuming Break the Mold wins, of course).
Since Break the Mold will win anyways, maybe it's handy to define these "stereotypes" first? I've always been against stereotyping types like this, mostly in DP because there's a variety of almost everything now...assuming this is about offensive/defensive/balanced. Dunno what else it could be, besides the way their type is stacked against others, but if you do that, you will probably end up with a Pokemon that's not getting much out of his STAB or his tankiness (like, Ice-type with enormous defenses, or Steel with a sweeping build).
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