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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 3 (Secondary Typing Poll 2)
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Voted ghost, if it was ghost it would have had shadow ball as the strongest special move... Anyways the only special rock type attack is acient power and it has 60 base power... =( Soooo special sweeping rock type isnt that good.....
Power Gem, it does 70 base with 20 pp. About 7 different Pokemon species can learn it, but the only rock type that does is Corsola.
Power Gem; 5 base power less than Rock Slide, but with twice the pp and 100% accuracy... I still never understood why physical Rock moves were so hated.
Voted mono-Rock. It can still be given Fighting moves for coverage, they just won't overshadow Rock without the STAB.
Voted mono-Rock. It can still be given Fighting moves for coverage, they just won't overshadow Rock without the STAB.
I get what you're saying, but that's really not how I look at it. I just think it's better to break one mold really clearly and succinctly than to break two molds at all. This has nothing to do with what this community is capable of; I think it's capable of anything, too! I want the best for this Pokémon, too, and I think that one mold straight up is better than two, when by definition, if we add a second type, we'll be splitting the cake.
Mono-Rock ftw!
No secondary typing.
Any type we give him will outshine rock, simply because rock's special movepool...uh...sucks. Badly. And if you give this poke a secondary type, people won't even care for rock and just use shadow ball or focus blast or bug buzz or...well you get what I mean.
No secondary type means not only that our rock type sweeper will actually use rock attacks, but also that we will end up being forced to create a new actually decent special rock move for him, while a secondary type would make said option pointless, since it would give this poke viable moves to use.
Any type we give him will outshine rock, simply because rock's special movepool...uh...sucks. Badly. And if you give this poke a secondary type, people won't even care for rock and just use shadow ball or focus blast or bug buzz or...well you get what I mean.
No secondary type means not only that our rock type sweeper will actually use rock attacks, but also that we will end up being forced to create a new actually decent special rock move for him, while a secondary type would make said option pointless, since it would give this poke viable moves to use.
I voted for No Secondary Type.
Fighting would add one massively helpful resist (Rock) and one somewhat useful resist (Dark), but would eliminate a good CAP resist (Flying). It would certainly add a lot of attacking coverage. I think Fighting would dominate the primary type. It would probably be easier to make a competitive Rock/Fighting pokemon. Rock is a really crappy type, and it is going to be difficult to make a mono-Rock pokemon competitively viable, without making it broken or weird.
From an educational standpoint, we will learn more about the Rock type in competitive play if we don't give it a secondary type. If we made a special Rock/Fighting pokemon, we might learn a few things about Fighting, since there aren't many special Fighters out there. But, Fighting gets a lot of play in the current metagame, so I don't think we'll learn too terribly much. On the other hand, almost everything we know about Rock comes from unstabbed move usage (Stone Edge & Rock Slide) and resistance/weakness to Stealth Rock. We know very little about using Rock as a primary STAB attacking type or from a defensive standpoint. For all practical purposes, we only have Tyranitar to learn from -- and it has ungodly uber stats and movepool. So, that's why I am voting for mono-Rock -- I think we'll probably learn a bit more about the metagame.
I have whole lot of other thoughts about Rock as the primary type, most of which pertain to bias and stats. I'll wait for those polls to voice my opinions there.
Fighting would add one massively helpful resist (Rock) and one somewhat useful resist (Dark), but would eliminate a good CAP resist (Flying). It would certainly add a lot of attacking coverage. I think Fighting would dominate the primary type. It would probably be easier to make a competitive Rock/Fighting pokemon. Rock is a really crappy type, and it is going to be difficult to make a mono-Rock pokemon competitively viable, without making it broken or weird.
From an educational standpoint, we will learn more about the Rock type in competitive play if we don't give it a secondary type. If we made a special Rock/Fighting pokemon, we might learn a few things about Fighting, since there aren't many special Fighters out there. But, Fighting gets a lot of play in the current metagame, so I don't think we'll learn too terribly much. On the other hand, almost everything we know about Rock comes from unstabbed move usage (Stone Edge & Rock Slide) and resistance/weakness to Stealth Rock. We know very little about using Rock as a primary STAB attacking type or from a defensive standpoint. For all practical purposes, we only have Tyranitar to learn from -- and it has ungodly uber stats and movepool. So, that's why I am voting for mono-Rock -- I think we'll probably learn a bit more about the metagame.
I have whole lot of other thoughts about Rock as the primary type, most of which pertain to bias and stats. I'll wait for those polls to voice my opinions there.
And I think this is finally the time for that. BTW, let's be prepared to fight hordes of "I don't want invented moves" people. I know I have my n00b blaster ready.
Voted Mono-Rock, of course.
I'll answer your question, yes and no. Yes on the idea that most people want this project to be able to handle Togekiss with little to no problem, and no because not only is countering Togekiss going to be tough, but I don't think it's truly necessity to counter her.
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Also you would need around 95/100 Hp/Spd while in the sand to survive Kiss' Aura Sphere (30.82% - 36.25%) and this doesn't take Stealth Rock into the equation. You would need about 110 special attack plus Choice Spec just to 2HKO her back with Power Gem (53.48% - 63.1%)
I asked because so many voted rock for the primary type and said Togekiss, but whit the SpD of Kiss its just to hard to even 2 hit KO it as G_T said, So another CaP that dies to Kiss(It can put, and will put a big dent in Kiss, but is soon dead after) I don't see why losing Flying resist is so bad then, Rock/Fighting has nice resistances, even whit Mono-Rock if it has another choice of ability thats not Technician(AcientPower is good, but the PP is to low) it needs a new move better than Power Gem.
It all depends on what we vote for.
It all depends on what we vote for.
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