Since Electric is the Pokemon's current main type, we need Static to stay on the Allowed list until further notice (i.e. stat poll completed).
...at least that's what I think.
...at least that's what I think.
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CAP 8 CAP 8 - Concept Assessment
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Static is Already on the allowed list so you don't need to worry.
However, connecting Static with the Electric type is not competitive reasoning - flavour based reasoning shouldn't be used as justification for anything in CAP, other than Art, Sprite and Name.
However, connecting Static with the Electric type is not competitive reasoning - flavour based reasoning shouldn't be used as justification for anything in CAP, other than Art, Sprite and Name.
Every single Pokemon in the game with Static is an electric type.
In fact, they all happen to be single electric with no second type as well.
While this doesn't matter in competitive battling... The overworld effect of Static is "If the Pokémon is in the lead spot, chance of encountering an Electric-type wild Pokémon increases to 150%."
Static was definitely made with an obvious relation to electric types.
While the main point of CAP is competitive- a Pokemon is still a Pokemon, and IMO should stay in tune with the general rules of it.
However nobody should base their entire vote entirely cause it is associated with an given type. Taking into account competitve viability yes, but never merely because it has always been that way nor that it is commonly associated with a typing.
Indeed. When it comes to things like the amount of egg moves and level-up moves a Pokemon typically gets, and rules such as that. Not flavor aspects, such as what ability Pokemon of the typing we select commonly have. It doesn't matter at all that electric-types commonly have Static. CAP is primarily a competitive project, not a flavor one. If Static is indeed a very good option for CAP8 to have, then it should be an option very highly considered for it. However, if it's not, or there are several abilities that end up looking much better than Static, then we should go with one of those over Static, totally regardless of things such as how much sense Static would make on it due to flavor-reasoning.
If an ability is good on the Pokemon, we should consider it as an option, and if it's not, we should look for other options that are better. Flavor-reasoning should be avoided at all times possible, because even if an option "sounds good" based on flavor, that doesn't mean that it will work well competitively, or is the best option, and thus isn't exactly helpful at furthering one of CAP's goals, learning more about the metagame. Thus, competitive reasoning is what we should be using at all times possible, with flavor only coming up during parts of the process that are entirely flavor-based anyway, such as art and names, and otherwise used under circumstances there really is little else to go on, such as the first typing poll of this latest CAP project, which was an exception due to the nature of the concept.
CAP's goal is just to learn about the metagame, regardless of the direction that takes us. And the fact that we shouldn't be doing things such as giving a Rock/Ground type Static just because it doesn't make sense flavor-wise was quite frankly demolished during CAP5, where the concept was "breaking the mold", which ended up in the creation of Stratagem, a speedy rock-type special sweeper, something that really wasn't seen in the metagame before that.Hohahihehu said:
If an option is viable on a CAP, isn't game-breaking, and helps it to achieve it's goals, we will at least consider going down that road. And indeed, if we would up giving a Pokemon Rock/Ground typing, and the ability Static would help it to achieve the goals of its concept, then I would indeed support Static on such a Pokemon, as the primary goal of a CAP is to make the creation fufill the goal of the concept the best that we can, while making it viable, but not game-breaking, in the Standard metagame; I could care less about how it meshes with the typing, as how well the ability and typing mess doesn't affect how they will benefit or hinder the Pokemon's ability to fufill it's concept; only what those traits actually are will affect that and thus it is what they are that should be our primary concern, as that's what matters in the end, and not the flavor-based concerns.
According to the two of you, Pyroak and Stratagem shouldn't exist.
However, the Create-A-Pokemon Project decided that they should be done.
Let me remind you that CAP 5's winning concept was "The Anti-Stereotype". A Rock/Ground Pokemon with Static could have been made back then, and you two wouldn't have had any say in it.
That's just the way CAP works.
Besides, it wouldn't even have to be called "Static". If CAP voted for Static, but the PRC decided the name was inappropriate, we could just go ahead and make a new ability called "Rock Impact" or whatever and give it exactly the same effect.
For once, I agree with Tennis! :]
Seriously though, I think it's because we've ... talked about everything else there is to talk about at this point, really.
As more polls open, more topics of discussion for the Concept Assessment will open.
Iron Fist, is slightly possible, although only for Focus Punch, Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, and the elemental punches, or any moves we come up with. So, essentially a Hitmonchan with OU power based on our later decisions.
Filter,is only seen in one evolutionary line, although it may be considered too powerful, but who knows? People really wanted Wonder Guard and this seems close and something workable.
Klutz, could be a very interesting design if we build a pokemon that could abuse trick to no end.
Marvel Scale, Again, only seen on one other pokemon and could be very useful on a defensively made poke
Super Luck, not sure if this fits the bill or not, but I figured I would mention it anyways.
Filter,is only seen in one evolutionary line, although it may be considered too powerful, but who knows? People really wanted Wonder Guard and this seems close and something workable.
Klutz, could be a very interesting design if we build a pokemon that could abuse trick to no end.
Marvel Scale, Again, only seen on one other pokemon and could be very useful on a defensively made poke
Super Luck, not sure if this fits the bill or not, but I figured I would mention it anyways.
Personally, I love all the Grass + Sun abilities. Chlorophyll, Flower Gift, Leaf Guard, and Solar Power are all interesting, but generally hampered by the fact that there's no permanent Sun, or for that matter, any good Pokemon (with the possible exception of Tangrowth) to utilize any of them. My personal preference for typing would be Electric/Grass, so a reason to belt out STAB Solar Beams - and idea I've liked since Pyroak was in its baby stages - would definitely be exciting.
^Well, there's no permanent sun, but there's always a Heat Rock... Best you'll get, I guess. I remember hearing that making a new ability that makes Permanent Rain/Sun (or borrowing Drizzle or Drought) has become a "no" because it's overpowered... or... something. I really don't remember well.
Yeah, there was a test of that a while back (if memory serves), and even with a downpowered Groudon/Kyogre with a five turn Sun/Rain, it was still devastatingly powerful.
Well, I'm hopeful that it might some day work out. Kingdra is the perfect example of how a weather-sweeper can be brutally powerful even without permaweather.
Tinted Lens would be interesting. Assuming we get a Bug/Electric typing, which this is going in, I could see this being a really well used ability. Shiel Dust/Tinter Lens would make one hell of a Specs Sweeper if you ask me. I really think this would benefit the cap metagame/community as a whole trying to keep something within reasonable limits this time aroud.
I don't think Tinted Lens should be considered a Neglected Ability. Sure, Yanmega has a far superior option, but fact is, a good Pokemon still has Tinted Lens, and that doesn't fly according to the literal wording of the concept. To be frank, I don't see the great utility of Shield Dust; the only time I could see it being of tangible benefit versus occasional hax-stopper would be versus Paraflinching Togekiss, who should be scared off by STAB Electric attacks as it is.
CS Yanmega?
Specs Yanmega with Tinted Lens is a huge pain in my book. Note that this is CAP, not OU, and that makes Yanmega far more viable.
"Sure, Yanmega has a far superior option, but fact is, a good Pokemon still has Tinted Lens..."
Okay, you said a "good" Pokemon has tinted lens. First off, he's not what I'd consider good, seeing as he's not OU and he's barely seeing much play at the time. Those who do use him in UU, as you have said, are using his "superior option." If anything he's the perfect example of Neglected Ability, I would say that Tinted Lens is the "Neglected Ability" wouldn't you?
Okay, you said a "good" Pokemon has tinted lens. First off, he's not what I'd consider good, seeing as he's not OU and he's barely seeing much play at the time. Those who do use him in UU, as you have said, are using his "superior option." If anything he's the perfect example of Neglected Ability, I would say that Tinted Lens is the "Neglected Ability" wouldn't you?
Not really. I think you may still be thinking Standard. Yanmega is OU in CAP and Tinted Lens is a fine choice on it. To call it "Neglected" isn't really correct.
That's just my opinion.
That's just my opinion.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this.. but what about Unaware?
Were not sure what kind of pokemon this is going to be, so why not this beauty. I see alot of poke's using stat raising moves, and if they get them off, you might be in for a loss. Depending on what this pokemon does, (Sweeper, wall) this ability could save your tail.
The only other guy it's on is Bibarel, making it a good ability on a lackluster pokemon.
Were not sure what kind of pokemon this is going to be, so why not this beauty. I see alot of poke's using stat raising moves, and if they get them off, you might be in for a loss. Depending on what this pokemon does, (Sweeper, wall) this ability could save your tail.
The only other guy it's on is Bibarel, making it a good ability on a lackluster pokemon.
Have you played CAP at all? Arghonaut has Unaware and it's one of the most overused Pokemon in existence. Definitely not neglected.
Woah haven't been with CAP much. lol, didn't know it was on him.
I am thinking standard, but I'm still pretty sure Yanmega really can't do much without speed boost in the CaP Metagame. Sure the extra added power helps, but really CaP is still a relatively fast metagame, and without the Speed Boost trait, Yanmega isn't what I'd consider...speedy?
To quote the Concept:
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The concept revolves around good abilities with Pokemon who can't make them work because they just aren't good enough to compete in OU. Simply put, Yanmega can use Tinted Lens and be fine, it just has a better option. Nowhere in the concept does it say anything about abilities that aren't used because the Pokemon with the ability have a better option.
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