CaP Prevos - Embirch & Flarelm - Movepool Poll

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DHR-107

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Hi All, time for this to start up!

Two entries were submitted this time around!


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Those two people and their movesets:

G-Luke - CaP Prevos - Embirch & Flarelm - Updates

Drew - CaP Prevos - Embirch & Flarelm - Updates

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G-Luke
Drew

Have at it! You huys have about 24-36 hours!
 
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G-Luke

G-Luke appears to intend Double-Edge as a Heart Scale move for Flarelm in the description for Flarelm's movepool, which makes sense. Heart Scale moves don't work the way Drew intends. In-game, Embirch would get Double-Edge at level 1 because there aren't four other level 1 moves overriding it.
 

DHR-107

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Okay, so because I am a donut, I missed a crucial thing here. Also it's a tie right now.

Drew G-Luke

Could you please both fix the problem with Double Edge on both of your Embirch Submissions. Both of you have it as being learnt at Level 0 for Embirch, which means it is born with the move. It would preferable if this was not the case. Please post in this thread with the change you make and why you made that change. Double Edge was a Gen 4 level up move for Embirch to give you some idea. I will then cast a deciding vote based on the movepools above and the changes you make to Double Edge.
 

Drew

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Embirch
- Sweet Scent
- Bullet Seed
5 Ember
10 Leech Seed
14 Synthesis
19 Flame Wheel
23 Seed Bomb
28 Growth
32 Giga Drain
37 Double-Edge
41 Lava Plume
46 Petal Dance
(Dragon / Monster) (close)
Aromatherapy
Counter
Dragon Breath
Fire Spin (Charizard, Turtonator)
Grass Whistle
Grassy Terrain (Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, Torterra)
Petal Blizzard (Venusaur, Meganium)
Psybeam
Revenge
Sand Tomb
Water Sport
Block
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Iron Defense
Iron Head
Iron Tail
Seed Bomb
Snore
Stealth Rock
Synthesis
Worry Seed
Zen Headbutt
TM05 Roar
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM22 Solar Beam
TM27 Return
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM42 Façade
TM43 Flame Charge
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM50 Overheat
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM75 Swords Dance
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM86 Grass Knot
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM93 Wild Charge
TM96 Nature Power
TM100 Confide
Endure (Gen 4 TM58)
Headbutt (Gen 4 Tutor)
Incinerate (Gen 5 / Gen 6 TM59)
Mud-Slap (Gen 4 Move Tutor)
Natural Gift (Gen 4 TM83)
Rock Smash (Gen 4 / ORAS HM06, Gen 5 / XY TM94)
Secret Power (Gen 4 TM43)
Strength (Gen 6 HM04)

Flarelm
- Double-Edge
- Sweet Scent
- Bullet Seed
Evolve: Flame Burst
5 Ember
10 Leech Seed
14 Synthesis
19 Flame Wheel
23 Seed Bomb
28 Growth
32 Giga Drain
37 Iron Defense
37 Amnesia
46 Lava Plume
50 Petal Dance
Aromatherapy
Counter
Dragon Breath
Fire Spin (Charizard, Turtonator)
Grass Whistle
Grassy Terrain (Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, Torterra)
Petal Blizzard (Venusaur, Meganium)
Psybeam
Revenge
Sand Tomb
Water Sport
Block
Dragon Pulse
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Iron Defense
Iron Head
Iron Tail
Low Kick
Seed Bomb
Snore
Stealth Rock
Synthesis
Worry Seed
Zen Headbutt
TM05 Roar
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM20 Safeguard
TM21 Frustration
TM22 Solar Beam
TM26 Earthquake
TM27 Return
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM42 Façade
TM43 Flame Charge
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM50 Overheat
TM61 Will-O-Wisp
TM69 Rock Polish
TM75 Swords Dance
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM82 Dragon Tail
TM86 Grass Knot
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM91 Flash Cannon
TM93 Wild Charge
TM96 Nature Power
TM100 Confide
Ancient Power (Gen 4 Move Tutor)
Endure (Gen 4 TM58)
Flash (Gen 4 TM70)
Headbutt (Gen 4 Tutor)
Incinerate (Gen 5 / Gen 6 TM59)
Mud-Slap (Gen 4 Move Tutor)
Natural Gift (Gen 4 TM83)
Rock Smash (Gen 4 / ORAS HM06, Gen 5 / XY TM94)
Secret Power (Gen 4 TM43)
Strength (Gen 6 HM04)

Removed Amnesia and Iron Defense at level 37 for Double-Edge, as after review with snake it looks too defensively weak to really have access to them justifiably, and they don't affect it competitively. Flarelm keeps it at level 0 though since we feel it fits better on a middle evolution.
 
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G-Luke

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#14
0 Sweet Scent
0 Bullet Seed
5 Ember
9 Leech Seed
13 Synthesis
17 Flame Wheel
21 Seed Bomb
25 Growth
29 Giga Drain
34 Iron Defense
34 Amnesia
39 Double Edge
43 Lava Plume
48 Petal Dance


For Embirch, I made it have a 4-4-4 level up pattern til evolution, in which a 4-5-5 pattern develops. I basically kept to Pyroak's movepool, with a few notable exceptions. I paid homage to the original movepool creator's wishes by leaving out both Wood Hammer and Flare Blitz, as well as including Double Edge in its regular level up pool. I consciously omitted several moves however, that I believe Embirch would not be able to execute due to snakes's flavour reasoning. Heat Crash, due to Embirch not yet fully harnessing the ability to use fiery cloaked tackles. Also kicked Flash Cannon has It doubt it has the ability to fire light based attacks. Finally I didn't Burn Up as Embirch just is not ready for it.

Edit: I think the consensus is Chlorophyll is the favoured ability for Embirch, so I removed Aromatic Mist.



So regarding the Double Edge issue, I decided on removing Zap Cannon. I surmised that if Embirch cannot produce light energy, it most likely cannot fire off a massive electrical blast. So I instead shifted down the other moves and placed Double Edge at level 39, as I wanted to preserve the Iron Defense / Amnesia pattern for the entire family, while also thinking it can provide it with a sort of niche in CAP LC.
 

DHR-107

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So after reviewing them again, my vote would be for Drew. As this is the deciding vote, Drew would win the Movepool 6 votes to 5! Thanks for everyone for being involved and getting another Pokemon sorted!
 
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