CaP Prevos - Rebble & Bolderdash - Movepool Submissions

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Hey all!

It's time for movepools! Stratagem had a bunch of new moves added when the updates came around, so it's going to be interesting to see what this gives Rebble and "Bolderdash" now!

Remember, This is much stricter than a normal CaP Movepool! We are only allowed the moves which Stratagem itself has in its movepool. You can move them around/change their order move TMs into level up moves and vice versa, but you cannot add any moves. This still leaves a surprising amount of variability and character for you to twist into the Prevo! I would also advise not adding transfer moves into the normal Level Up movepool as this can cause other problems!

Can you also provide me with a method of evolution for Rebble -> Bolderdash and Bolderdash -> Stratagem. This is important and your pool will not be slated if you don't have this! Please make TWO movepools and they will be voted on together (One for Rebble and one for Bolderdash), exactly how we did it for Embirch and Flarelm!

G-Luke won the Stratagem update poll (Check this post for his full reasoning) and his movepool is below:
0 Quick Guard (Heart Scale)
0 Lazer Focus (Heart Scale)
0 Weather Ball
0 Tackle
0 Defense Curl
Evo Move: Paleo Wave
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Accupressure
30 Ancient Power
34 Mud Shot
39 Power Gem
43 Double Edge
47 Earth Power
52 Metal Sound
56 Speed Swap
60 Vacuum Wave
65 Lock On
69 Head Smash
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM37 Sandstorm
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM67 Smart Strike
TM68 Giga Impact
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Incinerate (Gen 5/6 TM)
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
Additions
Quick Guard to level 0 (Heart Scale)
Lazer Focus to level 0 (Heart Scale)
Accelerock to level 21
Speed Swap to level 56
Lock On to level 65
Smackdown to TM List
Round to TM List
Smart Strike to TM List
Bulldoze to TM List
Swagger to TM List
Dazzling Gleam to TM List
Confide to TM List
Zen Headbutt to Tutors
Incinerate to Transfers

Changes in Movepool
Ancient Power to Level Up
Earth Power to Level Up
Vacuum Wave to Level Up
Mud-Slap to Level Up
Stealth Rock to Tutors
Giga Drain to Tutors
Endure, Flash, Headbutt, Natural Gift, Ominous Wind, Rock Smash, Secret Power, and Swift to Transfers
Rock Climb removed
As Rebble and Bolderdash have never had movepools before, go crazy! I will allow discussion and Final Submissions from the opening of this thread, but remember, please give me good reasoning as to why you have designed your movepool the way you have!

Our Prevo so far:

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Rebble
Type: Rock
Abilities: Levitate / Solid Rock / Sniper
Stats: 45 / 25 / 65 / 75 / 55 / 80 (345)

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Bolderdash
Type: Rock
Abilities: Levitate / Technician / Sniper
Stats: 70 / 40 / 65 / 100 / 65 / 95 (435)
 
Final Submission

Evolve at Level 30

1 Tackle
1 Defense Curl
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Accupressure
30 Ancient Power
34 Mud Shot
38 Power Gem
41 Double Edge
45 Earth Power
49 Metal Sound
52 Vacuum Wave
56 Lock On
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM37 Sandstorm
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Incinerate (Gen 5/6 TM)
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
Level Up while holding Heat Rock

1 Tackle
1 Defense Curl
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Accupressure
30 Ancient Power
34 Mud Shot
39 Power Gem
43 Double Edge
47 Earth Power
52 Metal Sound
56 Speed Swap
60 Vacuum Wave
65 Lock On
69 Head Smash
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM37 Sandstorm
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM67 Smart Strike
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Incinerate (Gen 5/6 TM)
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
I tried to capitalize on Stratagem's second Pokedex entries, and how it thrives on the intense heat of volcanic regions. Presumably, Rebble and Bolderdash also live there, so the Fire-types moves get to stay. In all honesty, I never got the vibe that Rebble -> Bolderdash -> Stratagem gained extra traits and that they just get stronger / more claws, so I only removed Smart Strike, Speed Swap, and Head Smash from Rebble (not pokey enough for Smart Strike, too slow for Speed Swap, and Head Smash is a little much for that little guy), Giga Impact and Hyper Beam from both, and the Heart Scale moves from both as well.

For evolution methods, evolving when it gets Ancient Power, its first Special Rock-type attack, seemed pretty fitting, especially because Stratagem's evolve move is Paleo Wave. However, to build on the volcanic aspect of the line and the "break the mold" concept, Bolderdash evolves by holding a Heat Rock. It's unprecedented, but it fits the volcanic theme and the "break the mold" theme. Stratagem even has access to Weather Ball, which is related to Heat Rock indirectly./hide]
 
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Just a quick note on your submission snake_rattler -

Stratagem and it's line are 4th gen Pokemon. Accelerock is a 7th gen move. As such, it is highly unlikely that evolution into Stratagem would require it. Not saying that it is illegal (that's up to DHR), but it does seem a bit illogical, and would likely require it to have changed evolution method, a la Feebas.
 
jas61292 said:
Just a quick note on your submission snake_rattler -

Stratagem and it's line are 4th gen Pokemon. Accelerock is a 7th gen move. As such, it is highly unlikely that evolution into Stratagem would require it. Not saying that it is illegal (that's up to DHR), but it does seem a bit illogical, and would likely require it to have changed evolution method, a la Feebas.
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Yeah that makes sense, I’ll change it to something else

Seemed so perfect though
 
Hey guys, I'm going to give this about another 48 hours or so! Let's get some movepools going!
 
Final Submission
Evolves at Level 32

0 Tackle
0 Defense Curl
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Acupressure
30 Ancient Power
33 Mud Shot
36 Power Gem
40 Double Edge
43 Earth Power
46 Metal Sound
49 Vacuum Wave
52 Lock On
56 Head Smash
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM37 Sandstorm
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM67 Smart Strike
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
Evolves by Trade

0 Tackle
0 Defense Curl
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Acupressure
30 Ancient Power
34 Mud Shot
37 Power Gem
41 Double Edge
45 Earth Power
48 Metal Sound
52 Speed Swap
56 Vacuum Wave
59 Lock On
63 Head Smash
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM37 Sandstorm
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM67 Smart Strike
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Incinerate (Gen 5/6 TM)
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
Evolution methods: Rebble evolves at Level 32 and Bolderdash evolves by trade. In terms of BST, the Stratagem line is in roughly the same ballpark as the Gengar and Alakazam lines (and they're all fast special attackers), so I decided a trade evolution would fit for Bolderdash. The Stratagem line does have higher BST on average in comparison, so I decided to make Rebble's evolution level a bit later to compensate.

Note: I opted not to include an evolution move for Bolderdash. Evolution moves for middle-stage evolve-by-trade mons tend to match the evolution move for the final evolution, as seen with Haunter, Kadabra, and so on. However, G-Luke's submission for Stratagem's movepool stated that he'd prefer Paleo Wave (Stratagem's signature move and evolution move) to remain exclusive to Stratagem. I'll honor his wishes here.
  • Removed Laser Focus and Quick Guard from both (Heart Scale moves), as well as Weather Ball. Weather Ball kinda seems like it's a Heart Scale move, but even if it's not I'd rather have Rebble and Bolderdash start with just Tackle and Defense Curl.
  • Removed Paleo Wave from both (see earlier explanation)
  • Removed Giga Impact from both (generally limited to final evolutions or really burly pre-evos)
  • Removed Speed Swap from Rebble. It's a bit too slow compared to other Speed Swap users, but Bolderdash is fast enough.
  • Removed Hyper Beam from Rebble, but I let Bolderdash keep it (!!!) Unlike first stage mons, there are actually quite a few middle evolutions that can use Hyper Beam, and with Bolderdash's spiffy new design, I feel like it could reasonably pull it off.
  • Removed Fire coverage (Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Incinerate, Heat Wave) from Rebble. I don't see it breathing fire just yet.
For consistency with most other trade evolution lines, I altered the level up pattern after Level 32, but left the moves before Rebble's evolution level as is. Compared to Stratagem's 4-4-5 level up pattern, Rebble's pattern after Level 32 changes to 3-3-4, and Bolderdash's changes to 3-4-4. This allows Rebble and Bolderdash to learn their final level up moves at much more reasonable levels.
 
Final Submission
Rebble
0 Tackle
0 Defense Curl
Evolution: Evolve at Level 28
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Accupressure
30 Ancient Power
34 Mud Shot
38 Power Gem
41 Double Edge
45 Earth Power
50 Metal Sound
54 Vacuum Wave
59 Lock On
63 Head Smash
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM37 Sandstorm
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Incinerate (Gen 5/6 TM)
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
Bolderdash
0 Tackle
0 Defense Curl
Evolution: Evolve by trade
4 Rollout
8 Mud-Slap
13 Rock Blast
17 Disable
21 Accelerock
26 Accupressure
30 Ancient Power
34 Mud Shot
39 Power Gem
43 Double Edge
47 Earth Power
51 Metal Sound
55 Speed Swap
59 Vacuum Wave
63 Lock On
67 Head Smash
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM17 Protect
TM18 Rain Dance
TM21 Frustration
TM23 Smack Down
TM26 Earthquake
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM35 Flamethrower
TM37 Sandstorm
TM38 Fire Blast
TM39 Rock Tomb
TM40 Aerial Ace
TM42 Façade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM63 Embargo
TM64 Explosion
TM67 Smart Strike
TM68 Giga Impact
TM69 Rock Polish
TM71 Stone Edge
TM78 Bulldoze
TM80 Rock Slide
TM87 Swagger
TM88 Sleep Talk
TM90 Substitute
TM99 Dazzling Gleam
TM100 Confide
Earth Power
Giga Drain
Heat Wave
Snore
Stealth Rock
Trick
Zen Headbutt
Cut
Endure
Flash
Headbutt
Incinerate (Gen 5/6 TM)
Natural Gift
Ominous Wind
Rock Smash
Secret Power
Swift
Lazer Focus, Quick Guard, and Weather Ball removed from both prevos' Level-Up movepools.
Speed Swap removed from Rebble's Level-Up movepool
Hyper Beam removed from Rebble's TM movepool
Giga Impact and Smart Strike removed from both prevos' movepool

Before I start, lemme just say rip Paleo Wave Rebble ;_; Ok so lemme just explain these removals from Strata's movepool. Lazer Focus, Quick Guard, and Weather Ball don't make sense for either prevo in my opinion. /ds speed swap, lc, all: No Pokémon found. (And I don't think Rebble deserves to be the exception) Hyper Beam is also pretty uncommon for LC/NFE mons, as is Giga Impact, although I feel Bolderdash has a powerful enough design to be able to rightfully get Hyper Beam. Smart Strike is a very VERY rare move in LC and for NFE mons, and I don't feel it fits either prevo's design. I designed my evolution methods off of that of Gastly and Abra (and I liked spark's idea) as I feel they are comparable flavor-wise.
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