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Format Discussion Champions Random Battle Sets

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Important details about Random Battles that affect set effectiveness and generation!
- All Pokemon have 11 stat points in every stat (the equivalent of 85 EVs and 31 IVs in other gens), unless they do not use physical attacks (in which case they will have 0 stat points in Attack) or have Gyro Ball or Trick Room (in which case they will have 0 stat points in Speed).
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The fast support Mega Banette set, with Poltergeist as its only attack, struggles on many occasions, such as against low-HP fast special attackers, dark or normal types, and even anything that has been knocked off. I think generating shadow sneak/gunk shot as a second attack can help it a lot.
There is a Mega Banette set with only one attack?
I have never come across it.
 
i assume this is fine to post dubs sets in too?

can we have a leech seed / horn leech / protect / poltergeist trev set. w/ harvest it's somewhat unkillable in champions (i use it in-game lol)
 
Since weather is quite common in the meta, is it possible to enforce "stab" on Castform, namely scald, ice beam or fire blast, when it gets rain, snow or sun setter as a teammate?
 
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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsrandombattle-2693455996?p2

I think Hawlucha Mega is very too strong.
His bulk is more than sufficient to set up sword dance easily, 143 speed is too fast, I have sneasler and he can't outspeed hawlucha.
Double stab close combat and brave bird is a very good coverage.
Hawlucha mega can ohko Blastoise mega and florges which are bulky pokemons

I think Hawlucha mega need to be a few levels lower.
 
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