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Pokémon Charizard
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How does me saying charizard is played in nearly every tier have correlation on how tiers work?
I've spectated many games of many tiers and I can guarantee I've saw charizard atleast 10 times per tier.
charizard is being used so much because it's legitimately good as fuck now. charizard can even predict its way through tyranitar without focus blast. if you wait to mega until after tyranitar switches in you can potentially KO in 2 hits with mixed Y, even possibly taking out assault vest t-tar if rocks are up. i mean it's risky but if you're a pokemon master charizard will scorch the earth for you.
0 Atk Charizard Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 114-136 (28.2 - 33.6%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tyranitar: 304-358 (75.2 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar: 204-240 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 Atk Charizard Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 114-136 (28.2 - 33.6%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tyranitar: 304-358 (75.2 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Tyranitar: 204-240 (50.4 - 59.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Then T-tar hits the stone edge.
it doesn't if it's dead.
it's not a play i'd recommend since it's so risky, definitely have something else on your team to deal with t-tar. i'm just pointing out how it can get past some of its hardest checks with a certain level of prediciton.
0 Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey in Sun: 364-429 (50.9 - 60%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 267-315 (37.9 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
it's not a play i'd recommend since it's so risky, definitely have something else on your team to deal with t-tar. i'm just pointing out how it can get past some of its hardest checks with a certain level of prediciton.
0 Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey in Sun: 364-429 (50.9 - 60%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Mega Charizard Y Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 267-315 (37.9 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
It's a 2hko
And ttar uses the stone edge
That's all one turn (unless we are talking about switching but who would do that)
yeah i'm talking about a switch in. a lot of people switch tyranitar into charizard. so predict eq on switch then mega evolve after and outspeed to hit with solar beam.
your talking about charizard switching in?
is sandstorm, factored into the damage equation
To me, X is almost balanced for ou. Y on the other hand has absurd special stats, free sun, and it's not like every team doesn't have a strategy to clear out stealth rocks. Nintales would be uu if it didn't have sun, now give it 160 special attack (adding sun it might as well have 240), give it air slash and count it as a STAB with a chance to cause flinch, and it can roost it's health back and have a chance to negate electric weakness. Atleast X just gets a small bonus to physical attacks but it's not like this where it gets x1.5 fire attacks, instant 120 grass attack, and reduces water damage on top of extended special defense.
no, this is my hypothetical situation: charizard is in with a good match up and your opponent has t-tar in the ranks. they switch in t-tar predicting your fire blast or your mega evolution to cancel your weather. you instead wait to mega or fb and use normal zard eq. tyranitar is now in with at least 28% of it's health missing and sandstorm is up. you stay in and mega evolve, overriding sand and the spdef buff, you outspeed this turn and KO with solar beam.
Because Charizard is OU hence it can only be used in OU and Ubers. Not a hard concept to understand.
Charizard really is not over glorified. It is a grade A threat. Just because you don't like how a pokemon that is extremely popular is actually amazing in battle does not mean that it is over glorified. Really, people like you annoy me more then gen wunners. Also, you should look up how tiers work. Charizard can only be used in the OU tier in 6th gen.
To me it's the complete opposite. Y can be stopped by many ways and has a fair number of checks and counters. Assault Vest Slowbroking can continuously switch in and out with ease, while giving off Scalds. Calm Mind Latias with 252 HP can take on Dragon Pulse (which shouldn't be used) with ease and then Roost it off. The blobs wall it to hell and back. Dragonite can switch into anything, take on anything, set-up and then retaliates back. Garchomp can also switch into lots of things and scare it off with Stone Edge, and hell, even ZardX can come in and set up all over it.
On the other hand, Charizard X is exactly what Salamence was in DPP except it can't be burned, it's not easily revenge killed by Ice Shard (or any other priority for that matter) and is quite bulky, a bit. it's fucking unstoppable. I love this thing. One Dragon Dance and it's over unless you hit yourself with Outrage's confusion.
Yeah, I guess that's a reason why Jolly can be better sometimes, but Excadrills themselves should also be Adamant imo. :p
low ranking rolling out an alt but here's charizard y getting past tyranitar exactly the way i described above
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-84162028
Thick Fat.
That, and if Heatran has an Air Balloon, Dugtrio would most likely die right after taking the balloon out due to its frail defenses, whereas Mamoswine can take a Lava Plume easily.
Edit: Scratch that. You're right. I just ran a calc, and Dugtrio can survive a Lava Plume from a Max Special Attack and Modest Heatran, and even if it's a crit, I could always put a Sash on it.
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what exactly stops heatran from just switching out? that is my point. I don't see how mamoswine actually covers anything because heatran is never going to stay in on mamoswine. And mamoswine cannot come in on heatran for risk of burn. so meh.
I realized that the moment I posted. I made an edit to the original post.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-84828817
I'm now convinced that CharX doesn't even need a coverage move. Fuck Earthquake. Roost is all it needs.
I'm now convinced that CharX doesn't even need a coverage move. Fuck Earthquake. Roost is all it needs.
Dude switches Chansey into Charizard, finds out it's Char X and goes for a toss? Wut?
Dont use air slash....there are like zero instances where air slash is a better move to have than a coverage move like focus blast or earthquake. Unless you really are hoping for a flinch but that is a bad play to make.
While I agree that Roost is usually the superior choice on CharX (Heatran and friends can be dealt with with team support), that was a horrible replay. The opponent was a moron for keeping Chansey in after Charizard DD'ed. And the Charizard user set up too early. Some Chansey have T-wave and it would've been able to live a +1 Outrage/Flare Blitz and paralyze it (not like it mattered bc the user used DD again so there was the risk of getting paralyzed while Chansey was left unharmed). The user should've scouted for the T-wave to be safe. Also, SE Heatran? If the dude used a normal Heatran with Toxic, CharX would've been fucked too. Overall both players were mediocre at best.
DD Charizard X is just too damned powerful.
Honestly, I have no answers for it once it sets up, other than foddering and hoping it knocks itself out with recoil. It's my honest opinion it deserves Uber status (I'm going to regret saying that). I doubt it'll go there, though. Few, if any pokemon, can counter it thanks to its coverage and absurdly powerful dual STABs. I suppose Heatran works, but almost every charizard x I've seen runs EQ, so it's a shaky check at best.
Phazing with rocks up might be the best option in dealing with it.
As for Y, Careful 252 hp/40 att/216 spd Thick Fat Snorlax with leftovers or assault vest can avoid a 2hko from anything and OHKO back with rockslide. Maybe it's a bit gimmicky, but this snorlax checks Y, and also functions as a very potent special wall.
Honestly, I have no answers for it once it sets up, other than foddering and hoping it knocks itself out with recoil. It's my honest opinion it deserves Uber status (I'm going to regret saying that). I doubt it'll go there, though. Few, if any pokemon, can counter it thanks to its coverage and absurdly powerful dual STABs. I suppose Heatran works, but almost every charizard x I've seen runs EQ, so it's a shaky check at best.
Phazing with rocks up might be the best option in dealing with it.
As for Y, Careful 252 hp/40 att/216 spd Thick Fat Snorlax with leftovers or assault vest can avoid a 2hko from anything and OHKO back with rockslide. Maybe it's a bit gimmicky, but this snorlax checks Y, and also functions as a very potent special wall.
Yeah, I was surprised the opp didn't really use t-wave/toxic with Chansey, and I don't know why he switched out tbh, but eh, it still shows CharX power and the fact that Roost is much needed.
SE Heatran is becoming a thing now (though, mostly only on Scarf), because it OHKOs CharY and Talonflame, things AncientPower can't do. :p
I am suprised nobody is running a mixed Charizard X. That thing hits hard, but you have to run a third attacking move for the DD-Set. Can't believe people ignore 130 base SpA.
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