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Cool Weapon Mafia Game Thread
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apricity yeah, give me a second, just got on desktop & am grabbing logs
As for the "why", I answered that earlier, but you'll see the interaction in a sec. Eli & I were discussing Psy being a problem slot and the issue we were tacitly working through was "Policy wagon or vig it and engage in Real Scumhunting". I sheathed it bc it was me and Eli and at that point he was locked to me. You wanted us to build a core, we built a core.
As for the "why", I answered that earlier, but you'll see the interaction in a sec. Eli & I were discussing Psy being a problem slot and the issue we were tacitly working through was "Policy wagon or vig it and engage in Real Scumhunting". I sheathed it bc it was me and Eli and at that point he was locked to me. You wanted us to build a core, we built a core.
Fwiw if LS is scum then we likely only have the one scum left (if any) and thus we can start to stunlock players w/ Elder Wand and Time Knife.
So if your plan includes Elder Wanding a player to hit themselves, let me know who so I can avoid time knifing them.
i need to write this out
ok we need to switch aegis and callandor. you'll see why.
yo Schiavetto wanna tell me when you can be online
Ok
so nuxl’s read on shadowpea was based on him not being partnered with laurel which I can kind of see
I see LS scum day 1/2 easier than I see Shadowpea scum with laurel. In either case it doesn’t matter. We are at 11 people left, 2 scum dead. Maybe 2 left? If it’s 1 then I agree pea/LS are a 1v1 especially since both roles are verified. If it’s two I’m worried about Vizh only because I don’t know what he has. But fake claiming is so hard in this game since it’s all verifiable. So I don’t need to flush it out.
I think schias reads are pretty good. I want to say here that candelia is definitely TOWN. And she can be removed from the POE. Which leaves only Hydro LS Pea. I tried for a bit to see if there’s anyone in the towncore I want to remove and there just isn’t. If there’s third party I think it’s TBZ. SB. Can you just force drop TBZ to make sure nothing funky is happening. Or if you want check any of the people who should t have items anymore (pea LS cand hydro). It’s possible some scum have two items.
so nuxl’s read on shadowpea was based on him not being partnered with laurel which I can kind of see
I see LS scum day 1/2 easier than I see Shadowpea scum with laurel. In either case it doesn’t matter. We are at 11 people left, 2 scum dead. Maybe 2 left? If it’s 1 then I agree pea/LS are a 1v1 especially since both roles are verified. If it’s two I’m worried about Vizh only because I don’t know what he has. But fake claiming is so hard in this game since it’s all verifiable. So I don’t need to flush it out.
I think schias reads are pretty good. I want to say here that candelia is definitely TOWN. And she can be removed from the POE. Which leaves only Hydro LS Pea. I tried for a bit to see if there’s anyone in the towncore I want to remove and there just isn’t. If there’s third party I think it’s TBZ. SB. Can you just force drop TBZ to make sure nothing funky is happening. Or if you want check any of the people who should t have items anymore (pea LS cand hydro). It’s possible some scum have two items.
I trust it if all 3 of you have seen Callandor (it would be wack if all 3 of you are scum) so that’s whatever.
I agree with the one thing: I can’t see how LS/shadowpea is T/T. I saw LS as much more towny than shadowpea until like EoD2, now they’re evenish to me.
I assume we’re holding off on mass claims until next day per Hal’s request as well, so I’ll pubclaim at the beginning of the next day. I’ll transfer it too since I just saw Hal’s thing.
For what it’s worth, I’d rather SB use it on one of the 3 (I’d include OJ but atm I think I’m the only one that scumreads them).
Also for what it’s worth, GOTG 3 is a banger.
I agree with the one thing: I can’t see how LS/shadowpea is T/T. I saw LS as much more towny than shadowpea until like EoD2, now they’re evenish to me.
I assume we’re holding off on mass claims until next day per Hal’s request as well, so I’ll pubclaim at the beginning of the next day. I’ll transfer it too since I just saw Hal’s thing.
For what it’s worth, I’d rather SB use it on one of the 3 (I’d include OJ but atm I think I’m the only one that scumreads them).
Also for what it’s worth, GOTG 3 is a banger.
What doesn’t matter
But shadowpea/laurel just does not make as much sense and Eli saw this too. idling the redirects, dropping it, kinda just reads town to me. And nothing he did before this read scummy to me even in hindsight. Calling me scum d1 seems more town than joining me on the Psy wagon
Here's my papertrail if anyone is having doubts about anything said:
Threadstate: Game is getting more serious, shitposting is dying down and people are posting more serious takes. Psy's content remains erratic, the question comes up of whether it's wolf making fake reads or if it can come from town.
#299-300: Hal press Psy with a vote; Eli suggests it's not out of place from previous townplay.
#301: I float the Scared Straight line
#303: Eli asks for clarity, while thinking aloud abt the differences between Psy here and in the last game the three of us played
#309-15: I say pressure's probably fine. Eli says that I should do it, so I say okay. About here is where I'm solid on Eli being town, so I check that Tommy's online and I send the DM.
During this time, Eli and I continue working at other reads while trying to puzzle out what exactly is going on with Psy. You can see the thoughts on Aura and laurel from both our slots leading up through the first string of posts given here, and you can see me mentioning the waiting period for the first time in #318.
#332-34: Eli and I agree that we're not shielding the slot; I add that I'd rather not vote it.
#345: At this point I'm waiting a bit and thread's getting busier, I make an off comment about some Grubhub that I 100% did not order at 6:21am New York time, like what?
#347-48: Tommie sheathes my weapon like a champ & I post to signal that it's mine.
Eli picks it up like a good little Nuxl. Should note that, had HH not totally eaten shit and been too slow to the steal, I'd've outed him to the thread and turned the phase into, functionally, Modified Execution.
#355: Eli correctly calls my beautiful janvig useless and we continue Playing Mafia.
#450-68: In a single breath, LadySal professes her allegiance to The Episcopal Church of Not Voting D1 (seriously wtf?) and commits a lone townread on me on the basis of my weapon flavor; I take a potshot at her for reading off flavor instead of evaluating game content; she adds that laurel & aura are probably fine too based off some ancient and unspecified interactions, then doubles down on not investing in D1 reads. There's a post that reads as an attempt at damage control a bit later [x], but it's not relevant to the Call timeline so I'm moving on.
Right around this second stretch is where you see more interactions from Eli that I think hal would call coaching, but really it's just testing Psy's capacity for making intellectually honest reads. At #666 Eli makes a direct acknowledgment that Psy is being threatened with lethal force, at a time when it could've been taken to figuratively refer a policy wagon though he was being quite literal. He votes rea directly after this, we engage in some Extremely Blatant Buddying, and discuss plans to use KE to work through some more of the game. We continue Playing Mafia.
#1559: I ask if the Time Knife is instant prio, because I'm watching all the shit with Psy happening in realtime, 3.5 hours out from DL and I'm trying to work out how feasible it is to turn Call into a dayvig. Caff rules it out a few posts later.
Psyposting reaches critical mass. The force-sheathe happens a bit after, which nets a temperature check from Nuxl [x], I reaffirm my commitment to Laurel, negotiations of who gets the rope and who gets the bullet continue as thread gets chaotic [x].
Votecount at this point:
#1884: Hal wagon surges ahead because Psy and rea got Too Silly, bringing us to the Two CWs phase of EOD1. Eli states intent to use vote in defense of Hal if it can't be used to get a desired lunch. Later outs a difference check read on Psy/Aura wagon situation [x].
#1964: Hal asks for vote support on Psy; I say hang on.
#1978-89: Hal asks again, makes an appeal to getting a towncore in place; makes an appeal to Eli to the same effect. At this point we're still working through the possibility that Psy could very well be town, but a defensive vote may be needed until plurality can be secured elsewhere. Last post is me just checking in with Nuxl before accepting that the jump may be necessary at some point (and be prepared to use the vig on whichever scumread we couldn't send over). This proceeds through #2000-15.
Concerns around Psy wagon being Funky start floating around here [x].
#2201: I drop a readslist doubling as a shotlist, excluding nulls and naming explicitly the slots i want removed from game.
#2212, 65: Eli asks if I SR Psy at all at this point; I say he needs to go but he's not my preferred lunch; votes on AG follow [x] and, well, you know the rest.
Post-AG flip:
Threadstate: Game is getting more serious, shitposting is dying down and people are posting more serious takes. Psy's content remains erratic, the question comes up of whether it's wolf making fake reads or if it can come from town.
#299-300: Hal press Psy with a vote; Eli suggests it's not out of place from previous townplay.
#301: I float the Scared Straight line
#303: Eli asks for clarity, while thinking aloud abt the differences between Psy here and in the last game the three of us played
#309-15: I say pressure's probably fine. Eli says that I should do it, so I say okay. About here is where I'm solid on Eli being town, so I check that Tommy's online and I send the DM.
During this time, Eli and I continue working at other reads while trying to puzzle out what exactly is going on with Psy. You can see the thoughts on Aura and laurel from both our slots leading up through the first string of posts given here, and you can see me mentioning the waiting period for the first time in #318.
#332-34: Eli and I agree that we're not shielding the slot; I add that I'd rather not vote it.
#345: At this point I'm waiting a bit and thread's getting busier, I make an off comment about some Grubhub that I 100% did not order at 6:21am New York time, like what?
#347-48: Tommie sheathes my weapon like a champ & I post to signal that it's mine.
Eli picks it up like a good little Nuxl. Should note that, had HH not totally eaten shit and been too slow to the steal, I'd've outed him to the thread and turned the phase into, functionally, Modified Execution.
#355: Eli correctly calls my beautiful janvig useless and we continue Playing Mafia.
#450-68: In a single breath, LadySal professes her allegiance to The Episcopal Church of Not Voting D1 (seriously wtf?) and commits a lone townread on me on the basis of my weapon flavor; I take a potshot at her for reading off flavor instead of evaluating game content; she adds that laurel & aura are probably fine too based off some ancient and unspecified interactions, then doubles down on not investing in D1 reads. There's a post that reads as an attempt at damage control a bit later [x], but it's not relevant to the Call timeline so I'm moving on.
Right around this second stretch is where you see more interactions from Eli that I think hal would call coaching, but really it's just testing Psy's capacity for making intellectually honest reads. At #666 Eli makes a direct acknowledgment that Psy is being threatened with lethal force, at a time when it could've been taken to figuratively refer a policy wagon though he was being quite literal. He votes rea directly after this, we engage in some Extremely Blatant Buddying, and discuss plans to use KE to work through some more of the game. We continue Playing Mafia.
#1559: I ask if the Time Knife is instant prio, because I'm watching all the shit with Psy happening in realtime, 3.5 hours out from DL and I'm trying to work out how feasible it is to turn Call into a dayvig. Caff rules it out a few posts later.
Psyposting reaches critical mass. The force-sheathe happens a bit after, which nets a temperature check from Nuxl [x], I reaffirm my commitment to Laurel, negotiations of who gets the rope and who gets the bullet continue as thread gets chaotic [x].
Votecount at this point:
and shortly thereafter:
#1884: Hal wagon surges ahead because Psy and rea got Too Silly, bringing us to the Two CWs phase of EOD1. Eli states intent to use vote in defense of Hal if it can't be used to get a desired lunch. Later outs a difference check read on Psy/Aura wagon situation [x].
#1964: Hal asks for vote support on Psy; I say hang on.
#1978-89: Hal asks again, makes an appeal to getting a towncore in place; makes an appeal to Eli to the same effect. At this point we're still working through the possibility that Psy could very well be town, but a defensive vote may be needed until plurality can be secured elsewhere. Last post is me just checking in with Nuxl before accepting that the jump may be necessary at some point (and be prepared to use the vig on whichever scumread we couldn't send over). This proceeds through #2000-15.
Concerns around Psy wagon being Funky start floating around here [x].
#2201: I drop a readslist doubling as a shotlist, excluding nulls and naming explicitly the slots i want removed from game.
#2212, 65: Eli asks if I SR Psy at all at this point; I say he needs to go but he's not my preferred lunch; votes on AG follow [x] and, well, you know the rest.
Post-AG flip:
Gimme like, 2 hrs to fuck around for a bit^^
Hal mentioned the last-ditch vote on TBZ following the wagonbomb, which like I mentioned in that first writeup is p blatantly an attempt to knock out claimed town BP.
I think independently of Dumb Stupid Mech, Lady has some egregious D1 interactions with our flipped scum - midday posts between her & laurel felt fake, the sudden TR on both laurel and Aura is gross, and Aura's EOD wish for Lady to inherit from him is Also Gross.
I think independently of Dumb Stupid Mech, Lady has some egregious D1 interactions with our flipped scum - midday posts between her & laurel felt fake, the sudden TR on both laurel and Aura is gross, and Aura's EOD wish for Lady to inherit from him is Also Gross.
The paper trail for that towncore makes sense, and looking back at the exchanges it seems to fit.
“this is useless” made me giggle a little under my breath.
I think D1, LS was fine apart from Aura interactions which I initially read as T/S pocketing, but given the fact that it had a Strongman (or was wholly Strongman idr), it just doesn’t really make sense to be a pocket if LS is town. I don’t see a scenario where Aura gives something that almost proves he is Mafia to a Townie. The only reason is to give it to LS in the hopes they won’t make the connection before EoD and then people vote Psy instead because now they’re even in terms of items. I’m definitely leaning LS more here because of that now.
“this is useless” made me giggle a little under my breath.
I think D1, LS was fine apart from Aura interactions which I initially read as T/S pocketing, but given the fact that it had a Strongman (or was wholly Strongman idr), it just doesn’t really make sense to be a pocket if LS is town. I don’t see a scenario where Aura gives something that almost proves he is Mafia to a Townie. The only reason is to give it to LS in the hopes they won’t make the connection before EoD and then people vote Psy instead because now they’re even in terms of items. I’m definitely leaning LS more here because of that now.