NOC D6 Mafia Game Thread [Day 4; Deadline June 1 at 6 PM EST]

[DS.]

fuck ig2g fuck fuck fuck fuck fuuuuuuuckk kaiiiibaiii

 

[Samoyed]

this is town DS btw

 

[Hannahh]

Actually I lied couldn't stop myself from reading the game after.

Town block:Duskfall,Athena(both are more game solvey,checks out with their meta),Samoyed(lesser town read, he's not as lurky and more aggressive so probably town here?)

DS feels like mafia to me just off of thread flow, he only posts when prodded by other players and he spent a lot of his posts on setup spec instead of sussing out some people and following his leads. If you think athena is sus,why haven't you pursued any line of questioning or dialogue with him regarding his alignment?
vote:DS

Felt like it was scum!jordan based on his opening where he supported the mewtwo wagon which felt like going with the consensus read to blend in. XnadrojX who reads as mafia to you right now and why?

apricity what about jordan's posts indicate him as town? Mostly cool with your reads except for #238, if you think mewtwo's recent reaction is mostly town,what home did he dig himself into that needs him to flip?

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...dline-may-23-at-6-pm-est.3650484/post-8135212

for reference


I can see scum!m2h based on his opening being all over the place and lacking conviction but I'm feeling unsure about it because he has had a stagnant wagon for a day,so the votals may suggest otherwise.

The bold is completely meta and to be townblocking people just for meta is incredibly sketchy to me. Especially because they're game solvey. Didn't Josh gamesolve last game? Wasn't Josh mafia? My point is that you can game solve as either alignment.

tbh i kinda think mewtwo flip is necessary because of the multiple associations he has and how most of the game has revolved around him.

would not lynch clarinets today, his play feels similar to twin trap so I wouldn't support a lynch on him.

agree with you on flipping Jordan before hannah but I'm kinda eh about hannah/zol can see scum in them, maybe zol if he's flaking as maf like he did last game.


town block for me is you athena clarinets mayyyyybe caffeine,and samoyed. hal is ok but #238 used some scummy logic but that's only relevant on an m2h flip.

Here he's implying flipping someone just for associations even tho previously he said he was feeling unsure about lynching M2H? I think M2H is incredibly good to keep around because I'm almost confident as the game goes on he'll prove himself more and more as town.

Also everything else in this is just meta and while reading based off meta is helpful, town locking based on meta is ??? Similarly to how Jordan tried to say I'm totally town based on meta and people called him out on it. Applies here the same exact way.

Athena_57 I'm sring jordan for his posts on page 5+ thought he didn't handle his hannah read well,I think duskfall words it better than I would've thought. That + his opening was just agreeing that m2h looked shifty while he had a wagon on him,then ignored it and voted caffeine which looks kinda bad at the timing.

This is his only post of real content I think, besides his SRs on DS and Jordan making sense in his first post.

 

[Tommy]

Every time someone says eimm I lol

 

[Hannahh]

I am much more suspect of the people on the Mewtwo train than the people on the clarinet train

I kinda don't see why there's even a Mewtwo train??? All of the evidence seems forced, and feels like a fearkill almost. Is Mewtwo not generally super good at obvtowning as town? I guess we have 0 scum meta to go off of.

Kinda want to lynch Clarinet here tbh but he's sorting a power role (which is stupid)

I want to lynch also but if he's softing I won't. Where did he soft / how did I miss this??

could clarinet/mewtwo be s/s is the question i want to pose to the thread

It uh, would explain Mewtwo being so nervous and Clarinet being so adamant about Mewtwo. _IF_ M2H flips scum I'll think about this more but I think m2H is my strongest TR. (But we saw how great my townreads were last game, now didn't we? )

hi my names ds and im talking to myself

God you're one of my favorite people ever

this is town DS btw

I'd say I agree but again I can't manage to read DS at all so I'll have to wait on it. Inclined to think DS _is_ town though even tho their play is kinda similar to last game tonally?

 

[Hannahh]

Every time someone says eimm I lol

I wanted to ask what they meant but yeah I was like _EIMM? WHERE?_

 

[Hannahh]

Did anyone ever make one of those tier things but with everyone on it? iirc Zol and Samo were missing?

 

[Tommy]

I kinda don't see why there's even a Mewtwo train??? All of the evidence seems forced, and feels like a fearkill almost. Is Mewtwo not generally super good at obvtowning as town? I guess we have 0 scum meta to go off of.

This makes no sense it's not a fearkill if they are being lynched D1. If you wanted to fearkill someone, Mewtwo isn't the pick, and I'm not trying to throw shade here I do think he's a pretty naturally gifted player that being said.

The fact he is super good at obvtowning makes his behaviour worse this time round.

 

[Athena_57]

I can't believe it's come to this, but I'm starting to get to the point where I may consolidate on Marth over Mewtwo

Still have Clarinet as preferred lynch. Softclaim sucks but I'm not abandoning my stronger read unless I get an actual claim

 

[Athena_57]

could clarinet/mewtwo be s/s is the question i want to pose to the thread

Given the amount of flack both were catching when they started sussing each other I'm not clearing either if one of them flips scum. Don't have them as high probability partners either, so treating their scum chances as roughly independent of each other

 

[Tommy]

I actually didn't think so many people caught the soft at first, guess we were all just keeping silent

 

[DS.]

Given the amount of flack both were catching when they started sussing each other I'm not clearing either if one of them flips scum. Don't have them as high probability partners either, so treating their scum chances as roughly independent of each other

Thoughts on mewtwo not lynching clarinet and moving to Me instead when a clarinet Lynch who is scum reading would save him?

Ignore the random capitalization's and horrible grammar because I'm on voice to text

 

[Athena_57]

Thoughts on mewtwo not lynching clarinet and moving to Me instead when a clarinet Lynch who is scum reading would save him?

Ignore the random capitalization's and horrible grammar because I'm on voice to text

Didnt mewtwo vote marth, not you?

 

[DS.]

I actually didn't think so many people caught the soft at first, guess we were all just keeping silent

It wasn't really a soft it was very obvious

 

[Athena_57]

For now, since it seems like the alternative to my lynch.

unvote
vote bluedoom

DS.

 

[DS.]

Didnt mewtwo vote marth, not you?

I need to look back I thought his entire push was to vote me

 

[DS.]

OK so it Still applies though. Clarinet train had more going for it then blew so why go blue over clarinet clarinet is being scum read by him?

 

[DS.]

He was scum reading me but I missed that vote

 

[Athena_57]

OK so it Still applies though. Clarinet train had more going for it then blew so why go blue over clarinet clarinet is being scum read by him?

I'll double check his progression, I was also pretty surprised he went w/ Marth (hence my post asking him if he was aware clarinet was also an option)

 

[Athena_57]

Oh, I don't actually care, but should probably clarify I'm a guy. Confusing username I've grown too used to over the years to change

 

[Fenrir Aesir]

Votecount 1.4
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MewtwoHidden (4)- Samoyed, Clarinet, Duskfall98, Whydon
Clarinet (3)- Athena_57, XnadrojX, CaffeineBoost
bluedoom (3)- apricity, MewtwoHidden, DS.
DS. (1)- bluedoom

Not Voting (2)- ZestOfLife, Hannahh

Deadline is 23 May, 2019 at 6:00 PM EST.

 

[Athena_57]

I'll double check his progression, I was also pretty surprised he went w/ Marth (hence my post asking him if he was aware clarinet was also an option)

Town mediator time:

I don't like bd's tone but I kind of like the content of the one large post he made.

I do like clarinet's tone but don't like the fact that he appeals to emotion, doesn't own his reads, bad reaction to Athena and jordan asking questions and voting him and don't really like the responses I've been given right now but they also are making me second guess myself.

Mewtwo clearly has Clarinet > Marth here, then the emote spam / softclaim happens. Then in mewtwo's big post he has them roughly equal (?), but lists Clarinet in both of his "solves", Marth in one. Switches vote from Clarinet to Marth, supposedly out of self-pres. When I asked him why he didnt selfpres on clar bc I assumed that was his higher read:

tbh I like bluedoom better because I'm still not sure what to make of clarinet's over the top emotional outburst, but if I could get my lunch early and have access to the game close to lynch I'd go for either of them.

right now I think my vote stays put.

 

[Athena_57]

So uh, as for my thoughts on this

 

[Athena_57]

I guess I can buy it?

 

[Athena_57]

I think my biggest gripe w/ the mewtwo/clarinet team is that there are other people that make more sense as a scumbuddy for Clarinet that I'd pursue first. Off the top off my head dusk/marth were the ones defending him?