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NOC D6 Mafia Game Thread [Day 4; Deadline June 1 at 6 PM EST]

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Fenrir Aesir said:
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MewtwoHidden (4)- Samoyed, Clarinet, Duskfall98, Whydon
Clarinet (3)- Athena_57, XnadrojX, CaffeineBoost
bluedoom (2)- apricity, MewtwoHidden
Athena_57 (1)- DS.
DS. (1)- bluedoom

Not Voting (2)- ZestOfLife, Hannahh

Deadline is 23 May, 2019 at 6:00 PM EST.
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For clarification, I'm going to be treating everything after this vote count as EoD.
Hannahh said:
The bold is completely meta and to be townblocking people just for meta is incredibly sketchy to me. Especially because they're game solvey. Didn't Josh gamesolve last game? Wasn't Josh mafia? My point is that you can game solve as either alignment.


Here he's implying flipping someone just for associations even tho previously he said he was feeling unsure about lynching M2H? I think M2H is incredibly good to keep around because I'm almost confident as the game goes on he'll prove himself more and more as town.

Also everything else in this is just meta and while reading based off meta is helpful, town locking based on meta is ??? Similarly to how Jordan tried to say I'm totally town based on meta and people called him out on it. Applies here the same exact way.




This is his only post of real content I think, besides his SRs on DS and Jordan making sense in his first post.
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Hannahh said:
I kinda don't see why there's even a Mewtwo train??? All of the evidence seems forced, and feels like a fearkill almost. Is Mewtwo not generally super good at obvtowning as town? I guess we have 0 scum meta to go off of.



I want to lynch also but if he's softing I won't. Where did he soft / how did I miss this??



It uh, would explain Mewtwo being so nervous and Clarinet being so adamant about Mewtwo. _IF_ M2H flips scum I'll think about this more but I think m2H is my strongest TR. (But we saw how great my townreads were last game, now didn't we? :psycry:)



God you're one of my favorite people ever



I'd say I agree but again I can't manage to read DS at all so I'll have to wait on it. Inclined to think DS _is_ town though even tho their play is kinda similar to last game tonally?
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This seems like a good couple of posts. Genuine as far as I can tell. I think this is town... not entirely sure what that fearkill stuff is about though. I don't see how lynching anyone out of fear could possibly come into this.
Duskfall98 said:
I actually didn't think so many people caught the soft at first, guess we were all just keeping silent
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:blobthinking: this seems to imply that people didn't talk about the softclaim maliciously? Not sure I like this post but there could be a slight misunderstanding.
Athena_57 said:
Town mediator time:


Mewtwo clearly has Clarinet > Marth here, then the emote spam / softclaim happens. Then in mewtwo's big post he has them roughly equal (?), but lists Clarinet in both of his "solves", Marth in one. Switches vote from Clarinet to Marth, supposedly out of self-pres. When I asked him why he didnt selfpres on clar bc I assumed that was his higher read:
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Athena_57 said:
So uh, as for my thoughts on this :blobthinking:
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Athena_57 said:
I guess I can buy it?
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Athena_57 said:
I think my biggest gripe w/ the mewtwo/clarinet team is that there are other people that make more sense as a scumbuddy for Clarinet that I'd pursue first. Off the top off my head dusk/marth were the ones defending him?
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Solid analysis on what's happening. I don't remember much from Mewtwo's interactions with Clarinet, certainly wouldn't have guessed a mewtwo/clarinet team. Not that this matters too much because Mewtwo was town.
Samoyed said:
so is clarinet softing oracle or am i retarded
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For context:
Clarinet said:
Will say in advance, so that there won't be a surprise. Given my circumstance, I will move onto whoever to save myself because it's very important for me to continue
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Clarinet said:
KEEP ME ALIVE FOR TOWN'S SAKE!
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This doesn't seem like an oracle soft specifically. It doesn't imply it but I can see how Sam would infer it. Good line of thought.
Samoyed said:
"sincere seekers only :blobuwu:"
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Upon being asked why Oracle specifically, this is what Sam quoted. Still not seeing how that's Oracle but w/e
Athena_57 said:
Okay, let's assume Clarinet is town. Would scum!mewtwo change his vote to marth when he can just stay on the bigger clarinet wagon?
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After everything that Athena has posted, the fact that people still don't think they're town amazes me. Athena is genuinely trying to figure out if mewtwo is scum here. Everyone's responses are neither town nor scum imo.
Samoyed said:
if bluedoom flips town caffeine is almost certainly mew two's partner
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I'll address this later when I read your response to my question.
Samoyed said:
this is not blues scum meta this is his town meta
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The issue I had with this is that blue displayed his scum meta (according to several players in the game) until it was pointed out that he was doing that. Reading blue based on town meta at that point seemed redundant.
Samoyed said:
why is mew two playing entirely differently than his last two games if he's town again
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The circumstances changed. DS pressured Mewtwo a lot more and a lot earlier during this game than in Twin Trap from what I read. The mewtwo during the rest of the day was the same as the mewtwo in Twin Trap.
Samoyed said:
mewtwo flip gives us so much more of a headstart on the game and so much more information than flipping bluedoom who has done nothing and formed no relationships
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Duskfall98 said:
Info lynch is such a scum reasoning don't listen to that
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Is it scum reasoning? I disagree with Sam's reasons sure but I don't think they're scummy.
DS. said:
Vote Mewtwo
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This should've been counted. It was posted before deadline was announced.

General thoughts:
Sam seemed to get a lot townier during EoD. Originally he wasn't being substantial and seemed to filler a lot but this seems fairly genuine. Still a few things I want to clear up though.
Dusk is iffy. Dusk has said a few things I'm not too sure about and may be thinking from a scum point of view? I think Dusk has done this before though.
Hannah looks pure. Getting more substantial with posts and hasn't really done anything scummy as far as I can tell.
DS obvtowned here but he's dead now so saying that means fuck all.
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What is Clarinet doing in Town Lean I hear you ask? Well he did softclaim a PR at this point so at this point in time it would be safe to assume that Clarinet is a Town PR. The take back didn't happen until the start of Day 2 so for this list I'm not taking that into account for this list.
 
Samoyed said:
clarinet is not a town PR, I’m the bg and the only town PR left

you can use that info for when you kill me tonight :blobuwu:
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oh it’s an eod read but w/e

I don’t think dusk can be scum here. scum knows both mewtwo and bluedoom are town so why would they fight so hard to lynch a different town and make it look like they saves their scumbuddy?
 
everyone is certain Athena is town

I will say that there were a few glimpses that made me think 'town' however his behavior at EOD was a bit fishy as stated previously,
it's a 50/50 coin toss for me
 
No wagons on these people Samoy/Dusk/Hannah + Athena

I can't see the town in XnadrojX because he only voted seriously for 1 person the entire game and that's me. It feels convenient and lazy, maybe I'm biased because he refused to look at anyone else

Whydon/Zest

apricity as possibility, I just see him as part of a team somehow, yet he defended me twice and I wonder why
 
Quote in response to sam’s ?

I think clarinet is the lynch today always, I can’t reconcile his play day 1 with a town alignment and since we’re in mountainous territory now, clarinet just always gets lynched.

Ah ok I’m going to do a reread when I have time. Just woke up from a nap, will head out soon
 
apricity said:
Quote in response to sam’s ?

I think clarinet is the lynch today always, I can’t reconcile his play day 1 with a town alignment and since we’re in mountainous territory now, clarinet just always gets lynched.

Ah ok I’m going to do a reread when I have time. Just woke up from a nap, will head out soon
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to me it’s clarinet/caffeine with a strong preference for caffeine
 
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