Delibird Gen IV

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dudeman

I'm not into this teired bull crap, but I noticed delibird is now the only pokemon in the whole game that is flying type and has fake out, making it an effective fake out user next to a hardcore earthquaker, (in a double battle, obviously).

so...


Delibird (Double battle lead assist) Focus sash
Timid 252Spd/252HP/4Att
Fake out
Swagger/Attract
Toxic
Icy wind

Fake out/focus sash abviously means delibird should still be around next turn after your earthquake goes off, while swagger/attract can be useful in providing cover for a set-up. Icy wind is VERY useful, in that it practically guarantees your partner will be outspeeding the opponents.
The EV spread can be explained as purposeful, the job isn't to do damage but to allow your partner to do damage.



Delibird (Hail set up) Focus sash
Timid 128Att/128SpAtt/252Spd
Hail
Blizzard/Icy wind
Seed bomb
Aerial ace/Signal beam

Not really sure about this one, but i know you guys hate double battles, so i tried desperately to think up a single battle strategy for delibird. Basically, it sets up hail and either switches to porygon2/etc., or gets some super effective hits in, Blizzard for STAB, or icy wind if you expect to die soon, seed bomb is often a surprise against water types thinking of walling you, aerial ace gets supereffective STAB hits on Ludicolo's, but signal beam will do the job almost as well, its really down to personal choice.
The EV spread is designed with one thing in mind, Hail. Plus, if you're naturally faster you can score a quick blizzard hit before fainting, after focus sash.

Well I'll be testing it out later, so just ignore me xD
 
This analysis isn't up to par with our rules, It has the wrong format (needs the <p></p> tags on the end of your paragraphs) terrible movesets (no offense) and a doubles simulator isn't up yet.

you should see the rules and look what others have done to get a better idea on how this should look like.
 
Toaster said:
This analysis isn't up to par with our rules, It has the wrong format (needs the <p></p> tags on the end of your paragraphs) terrible movesets (no offense) and a doubles simulator isn't up yet.

you should see the rules and look what others have done to get a better idea on how this should look like.
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ha! i don't care if you think they are terrible, and my format is in conformity with COMMON SENSE.

But to be honest, i know the single battle moveset is appalling, but the double battle moveset wins on wifi every time,
1/
Slowbro w/Sitrus berry uses trick room
Delibird w/focus sash uses fake out on biggest threat

2/
Slowbro uses Belly drum
Delibird uses attract(if possible)/Swagger on biggest threat

3a/
Slowbro uses Earthquake
Delibird uses icywind (higher accuracy and its only really to prevent focus sashers)

3b/
slowbro uses ice punch
Delibird uses attract/Swagger on other poke.


NEVER fails, well, hardly ever.




Anyway, this is my final post, as i have now confirmed what i originally beleived about smogon, you're all short sighted and stuck up.
... Not to mention, double battling is WAY more fun.
 
Its not just about Toasters opnion (not to say it would be worthless anyway) but about HTML coding. When (or rather, if) they decide to let your analysis be on the site articles, the <p></p> marks let them to easily divide your writings into chapters so you working for half a minute to add them removes the need of them working half an hour to edit your writings.

And about your double battle set...
Did you notice that if Deli gets taunted its only options after first turn is to spam its (terribly weak, base 65 SpA) Icy wind or switch out (which takes a turn and makes you potentially lose that "earthquake immunity" which you consider valueable with even such a frail mon...).

And Doubles makes you sure pay dearly if your other mon lacks offensive power.

And even when going untaunted you will see that its attacks are quite useless. Attract only works for the opposite gender, so most of the time you are lucky if you get a chance to use it more than once (until opponet switches) and swagger, while providing a reliable way of confusing usually nets you just a switch or some hurt for both sides with +2 Atk.
(Thanks, subpar speed)

And about your Slowbro example...
Did you notice, that even if we suppose Deli´s Swagger/Attract stops your opponet from attacking, they will have 2 rounds of time to attack with one of their mons while your Slowbro Trick rooms and Belly drums?
Even with sitrus berry (which makes you lose the potential power of many possible hold items) you will be looking at 75% Slowbro, so even some moves that 3hko may stop your attempts of sweeping.
(An further, in most cases, Doubles mons will have adept amounts of offensive power)
Also, is it really worthwhile to use Icy wind under Trick room? I doubt.

If you like to prove your Strategy hardly fails, the some calculations would be nice. What leadpairs you could set this thing up (=they do not KO 75% Slowbro in 2-3 strikes)? What could Slowbro accomplish with +6 Atk?
And also, what mons could Deli try to stop from attacking in and outside of Trick room?

And finally: calling people "short sighted and stuck up" just because Toaster declared some obvious facts is rude.
This is an intelligent forum, where people gather to discuss Pokemon.
Competitive pokemon.
Insulting a group (which I cannot fit myself into) dedicated and (as) professional (as you can be about this thing) people is really short sighted.
Maybe you should lurk up a little. Take my advice, you will learn a lot, if you just listen, and when finally posting, instead of flaming anyone who offers you creative critic, you should also listen.
Because they have a point.
 
Your Slowbro example is irrelevant as the above poster mentioned. And if you wanted to only confirm your opinion on smogon after I posted and tried to help for future attempts, then why bother posting? If you think doubles is that good then take this to another matter as it doesn't help at all.

Finally, we don't care if your format has common sense or not. It is not your choice to choose your desired format but rather, to follow the correct and cleaner format.
 
dudeman said:
I'm not into this teired bull crap, but I noticed delibird is now the only pokemon in the whole game that is flying type and has fake out, making it an effective fake out user next to a hardcore earthquaker, (in a double battle, obviously).

so...


Delibird (Double battle lead assist) Focus sash
Timid 252Spd/252HP/4Att
Fake out
Swagger/Attract
Toxic
Icy wind

Fake out/focus sash abviously means delibird should still be around next turn after your earthquake goes off, while swagger/attract can be useful in providing cover for a set-up. Icy wind is VERY useful, in that it practically guarantees your partner will be outspeeding the opponents.
The EV spread can be explained as purposeful, the job isn't to do damage but to allow your partner to do damage.
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You expect us to listen to you because your format has common sense? I don't notice the common sense in this. You don't even spell obviously right >.>

Read the rules before doing something. It'll save others and yourself trouble.

I suppose this will be locked soon?
 
Sorry, this analysis is not up to par. Please read the rules and look at the other analyses for examples on how to write a proper analysis.
 
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