Pokémon Diancie

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Need to hope for move tutors in the future and it getting pain split. Its a shame that it doesn't get recover. Diamond storm sounds like a nifty move and can be really important for a +1 defense if facing an incoming physical sweeper.
 
Adamant Diancie seems viable with its signature move.

252+ Atk Carbink Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard X: 272-324 (91.2 - 108.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

EDIT: I might as well include an entire set instead of just a calc

Ability: Clear Body
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Brave
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
0 Spe IVs
-Diamond Storm
-Moonblast
-Trick Room
-Stealth Rock

Diancie seems like an excellent user of Trick Room.
 
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So, they took Carbink and added 50 base stat points to both offensive stats...

That in itself seems like a terrible concept for a legendary, and while it may be able to redeem itself through a better movepool and actual offensive presence, Diancie is probably gonna be niche at best. Her bulk is certainly acceptable, but it's let down by frankly sub-par defensive typing. Aside from that Dragon immunity, she sports resistances to Normal, Flying, Fire, Bug and Dark. This notably includes Talonflame's STAB's, U-Turn, MegaZard X's STAB's and Knock Off, so switch-in opportunities are there. The problem comes from many Pokemon having ways to abuse her weaknesses to Water, Grass, Ground and Steel. While CB Talonflame normally runs WoW or Tailwind in that 4th slot, it could easily be replaced with Steel Wing. While it offers nearly zero coverage normally, it can OHKO 252/0 Diancie with SR a third of the time. The MegaZards have Earthquake/Solarbeam to lay the hurt on Diancie as well.

As a defensive mon, Diancie is also hurt by a total lack of recovery. This will keep her from effectively sponging hits, and when combined with that awful Speed stat severely limits her time in play.

I dunno, I just don't see things working out too great here. =/
 
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Rock/Fairy? that makes Diance weak to x4 to steel moves!! (so +2 steel wing from talonflame would hurt alot to Diance?)
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I doubt TF is going to run Steel Wing for this thing, especially since CB bird is still the best set imo and being locked into that moves sucks.

I'd be more worried about Excadrill/Aegislash Iron Head and Bullet Punch from Scizor (and Mega Medicham/Lucario etc even) lol.

Also Mega Mawile.
 
Leica said:
I doubt TF is going to run Steel Wing for this thing, especially since CB bird is still the best set imo and being locked into that moves sucks.

I'd be more worried about Excadrill/Aegislash Iron Head and Bullet Punch from Scizor (and Mega Medicham/Lucario etc even) lol.
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Mega Lucario is Ubers, but:
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 324-384 (106.5 - 126.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 292-348 (96 - 114.4%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
240 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 406-484 (133.5 - 159.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 264-312 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Pure Power Mega Medicham Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Carbink: 156-188 (51.3 - 61.8%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
Leica said:
I doubt TF is going to run Steel Wing for this thing, especially since CB bird is still the best set imo and being locked into that moves sucks.

I'd be more worried about Excadrill/Aegislash Iron Head and Bullet Punch from Scizor (and Mega Medicham/Lucario etc even) lol.

Also Mega Mawile.
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You really think being locked into WoW is better? CB Talonflame doesn't run Steel Wing right now because it really doesn't have a reason to, it basically needs to hit a 4x weakness to be a better choice than it's other moves, and the potential candidates for hitting that way are Carbink and Aurorus. Neither of them have any place anywhere near the OU metagame.

Enter Diancie.

Now there's a reason to use Steel Wing, as there's a relevant threat that will take nothing from your other moves. If Diancie ends up showing up in the OU metagame enough to be considered OU (or is otherwise threatening enough,) Steel Wing will likely be a better choice on CB sets.
 
Not getting Power Gem really fucks over any specially offensive sets this thing might run. Seriously, what the hell, Game Freak?

If I'm honest, I don't see a whole lot of value in Diancie. It's reasonably bulky, but its HP and typing screw it over; it has some offensive presence, but not enough to overcome its movepool issues and Speed.

Seriously, it's outrageous that you can't do Moonblast+Power Gem or Diamond Storm+Play Rough; Diancie really can't afford to split its EVs, but it has to in order to actually do anything with its STAB combo.
 
Afti said:
Not getting Power Gem really fucks over any specially offensive sets this thing might run. Seriously, what the hell, Game Freak?

If I'm honest, I don't see a whole lot of value in Diancie. It's reasonably bulky, but its HP and typing screw it over; it has some offensive presence, but not enough to overcome its movepool issues and Speed.

Seriously, it's outrageous that you can't do Moonblast+Power Gem or Diamond Storm+Play Rough; Diancie really can't afford to split its EVs, but it has to in order to actually do anything with its STAB combo.
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As long as you don't use an attack lowering nature, 0 attack EVs are probably fine enough to kill Char-Y, Pinsir-M, Volcarona, and Talonflame while focusing on powering up Moonblast/Psyshock. I'd rather Play Rough to Moonblast, but what're you gonna do? I feel like people aren't giving it enough credit, as 50/150/150 bulk is great while maintaining Pixie like 100/100 offenses.

TheTraininator Just a small, nitpicky edit, but all the sets should have 248 EV's in HP, not 252. It's slightly better, as it gives you an odd # of HP. You can put the remaining 4 in either defense/attack, as Diancie usually uses every stat other than speed.
 
Also, can I just say that not even letting it get Sturdy is mean?

I mean, this thing is bad enough as is; forcing it to run Clear Body over an ability with some (situational) value is just petty. Oh boy, Landorus-T takes slightly more damage switching into Diamond Storm before it forces me out.

Well, at least now there's a reliable, powerful physical Rock-type STAB option that isn't learned by anything vaguely worthwhile.

Hopefully Hoopa and Volcanion will be somewhat more viable.
 
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finncent1 said:
TheTraininator Just a small, nitpicky edit, but all the sets should have 248 EV's in HP, not 252. It's slightly better, as it gives you an odd # of HP. You can put the remaining 4 in either defense/attack, as Diancie usually uses every stat other than speed.
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This is only for Leftovers sets, right? Anyway, I'm updating that in the OP.
EDIT: After looking it up, it seems to be important for burn/poison/Hail/LeechSeed too, so I'll change all the sets to reflect this.

Also ladies and gentlemen, keep in mind I got the move pool from serebii, so there is the possibility he screwed up and it does get Power Gem at level 46 and not Trick Room... I'm clinging onto that hope. I is weird how it apparently gets it by level up and not by TM, but I guess we'll see.
 
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TheTraininator said:
This is only for Leftovers sets, right? Anyway, I'm updating that in the OP.

Also ladies and gentlemen, keep in mind I got the move pool from serebii, so there is the possibility they fucked up and it does get Power Gem at 46 and not Trick Room... I'm clinging onto that hope.
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It also lets it switch into stealth rocks a maximum of 9 times instead of 8 (I believe).

And I'd rather it learn both, but I am still pulling for power gem. Either that or play rough, which is much less likely. Oh well, it may be another Machamp situation. Seriously, how can Tentacruel learn Sword's Dance, but Machamp can't. And Bellossom can learn Drain Punch, but Machamp can't. :P
 
To be fair, Diancie would benefit from the inevitable tutors this gen, so I assume we could possibly see play Rough.

Either way, I don't see this thing being 100% OU, but it has the defences and decent offences, simply typing and movepool are it's problems.
 
This is probably going to be a very mediocre mon in OU due its weakness to several common Pokemon such as Manaphy, Aegislash, Scizor, and Landorus. It will have some viability in OU, however due to its ability to check Mega Charizard Y, Talonflame, and Mega Pinsir.
 
finncent1 said:
It also lets it switch into stealth rocks a maximum of 9 times instead of 8 (I believe).

And I'd rather it learn both, but I am still pulling for power gem. Either that or play rough, which is much less likely. Oh well, it may be another Machamp situation. Seriously, how can Tentacruel learn Sword's Dance, but Machamp can't. And Bellossom can learn Drain Punch, but Machamp can't. :P
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Oh no, don't get me wrong, I'd rather it learn both too. I'm just hoping that serebii made a mistake and put Trick Room in the level up section instead of the TM section, and accidentally deleted Power Gem. If it is confirmed to get it, you can bet your ass I'm putting a specs set on here.
 
Okay apparently Diancie doesn't learn trick room by TM but gets it from level up almost had a heart attack there. Finally there is a viable Fairy-Type Trick Room setter in OU, I can see Diancie-Gourgeist as an excellent defensive trick room core. I mean for the regular OU meta this Mon is underwhelming but I'm super excited for it.

Its Trick Room set would probably look like this
Diancie @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Trick Room
- Stealth Rock
- Moonblast
- Diamond Storm

At least when pair with defensive gorgeist.

Its a shame Diamond Storm is physical or it would have made Diancie as viable user restalk CM crocune strategy with Diamond Storm's chance to boost physical defense.
 
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WAIT A SECOND YOU LOT

So I just went to Bulbapedia and checked on the Power Gem page just because we were all talking about it, when I noticed the image they had for it was of Diancie using it, and that's when I remembered Diancie used it in the trailer! Serebii HAS TO be wrong! In which case, does Diancie learn Trick Room at all?

EDIT: Carbink learns the move by TM (I double checked,) so Diancie probably learns it by TM and serebii flubbed. I'll update the OP if we get confirmation on this.
 
TheTraininator said:
WAIT A SECOND YOU LOT

So I just went to Bulbapedia and checked on the Power Gem page just because we were all talking about it, when I noticed the image they had for it was of Diancie using it, and that's when I remembered Diancie used it in the trailer! Serebii HAS TO be wrong! In which case, does Diancie learn Trick Room at all?
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Well, you're right. This certainly is promising!

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This definitely isn't Carbink!
 
So now there is basically no reason to use Diamond Storm? Sucks that its pretty nice signature move gets hindered by Diancles terrible physical movepool :/

EDIT: Ok, i meant that there is pretty much no reason to use it on a attacking set, or?
 
HAKR said:
So now there is basically no reason to use Diamond Storm? Sucks that its pretty nice signature move gets hindered by Diancles terrible physical movepool :/

EDIT: Ok, i meant that there is pretty much no reason to use it on a attacking set, or?
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The thing is... Fairy type is such a commodity and given that most things are weak on the special side as good as the signature move is moonblast offers more appeal for what it covers. In addition Diamond Storm would end up in a mixed set that as noted is not all that good because of Diancie not having sky high offenses as she has no other offensive movepool outside of special ones. That said Fairy typing is still quite a commodity so I can see that as being what helps Diancie to maintain relevance in OU as check to the over growing Fire/Flying STAB attacks running amok in conjunction with rock, despite the myriad of weaknesses Rock type brings it is one of the only combination that currently resists Fire/Flying, and helping to keep Latios at bay.
 
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HAKR said:
So now there is basically no reason to use Diamond Storm? Sucks that its pretty nice signature move gets hindered by Diancles terrible physical movepool :/

EDIT: Ok, i meant that there is pretty much no reason to use it on a attacking set, or?
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Well, there's always that sexy defense buff, which is insured by clear body, and fortifies an Assault Vest Build, as covered earlier in the thread.

While we've focused on Diancie as a supportive TR setter, she could have a role as an offensive setter as well, equipped with a life orb. While she doesn't have the killer ability of Reuniclus, she does have nice STABs to punish switch ins, but we may have to wait until move tutors to see her offensive prowess realized.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Machi, with superior points.
 
Well after giving this much thought, I thought Diancie could be a pretty good Trick Room attacker as well. Boasting 144.85 Base Attack / SAtk when it has Life Orb intact is pretty threatening. Movepool may be a problem as said earlier as it must likely can't touch steel types whatsoever. More so, having a x4 Weakness to Scizor's Bullet Punch is another downfall.
 
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