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Pokémon Diggersby (Revamp)

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silver97 said:
i fuckin love this pokemon, but it just struggles to achieve in this metagame. My favorite set is SD LO, but atm it is kinda uneffective due to the meta becoming bulkier and also speedier; CB is just bad imo because while it hits insanely hard, being locked in one move is really bad for diggersby as it prevents him from wallbreaking since its STABs have common resists/immunities and however LO set is already powerful enough, allowing it to run sd that makes it even scarier for stall teams to face. Atm the most viable set imo is the scarf one that makes it able to deal tons of damage to offensive teams and get a couple of kills.
i wouldn't recommend running wild charge on LO sets, it only limits its wallbreaker capabilities, which is the main role for that set, but it is a decent option on choice sets, letting it doing some damage to popular switch-ins like skarm and bro. fire punch is a good option to deal with skarm but lol don't tell me it is needed to deal with ferrothorn
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Huge Power Diggersby Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 368-434 (104.5 - 123.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
i know it is more reliable to get past it but imo it's not worth it to drop any move for a coverage one. Knock off has its merits since knocking off items is always helpful, but again i wouldn't drop any move on the LO set for this one. About nature, adamant is obviously preferred, but being able to outspeed full speed tran, breloom's mach punch and play mindgames with bisharp can be quite important
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Lol, "struggles," that's just not true bro. It's currenttly B+ on the viability ranking, and it used to be like A-, iirc, which is amazing for a sub-500 BST and no fairy typing. It isn't just an unstoppable animal, it's flawed, but it's really good.
 
MaestroDeSWAG said:
Lol, "struggles," that's just not true bro. It's currenttly B+ on the viability ranking, and it used to be like A-, iirc, which is amazing for a sub-500 BST and no fairy typing. It isn't just an unstoppable animal, it's flawed, but it's really good.
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dude i'm not saying it is horrible, but in ORAS it isn't nearly as effective as it was in XY, there is a reason why it isn't used anymore in tournament play (used twice in 7 weeks of spl and 2,5% usage in st) and it is that you almost always have better option to put on your team. i don't know if you remember how monstrous it was in late XY (italian offense), but i can say from personal experience that atm it can't do the job nearly as well as it did before oras.
 
silver97 said:
dude i'm not saying it is horrible, but in ORAS it isn't nearly as effective as it was in XY, there is a reason why it isn't used anymore in tournament play (used twice in 7 weeks of spl and 2,5% usage in st) and it is that you almost always have better option to put on your team. i don't know if you remember how monstrous it was in late XY (italian offense), but i can say from personal experience that atm it can't do the job nearly as well as it did before oras.
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Well, ok, but what you said was that it struggles, which, even if it isn't at its pre ORAS levels, it still doesn't struggle by any means. You're right though, it def isn't the beast that it used to be
 
The problem for Diggersby is the rise of other amazing ground-types. Lando-T offers Intimidate, SR and better stats, Garchomp and Mamoswine have better dual STAB, Excadrill is a better offensive mon in sand, and Gliscor has risen to extreme prominence with ORAS. Now, I'm not saying these mons are all better than Diggersby, although some of them are. Diggersby has one thing over all of these guys: he hits hard as fuck and breaks walls like nobody's business. But Diggersby has to compete with these guys for a teamslot, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a team that doesn't need at least one of these mons, especially with Lando-T on basically every team. I don't think the problem is that Diggersby is ineffective in the current meta. It's decent. It just faces serious competition from the best Pokémon in the metagame.
 
Fizz said:
The problem for Diggersby is the rise of other amazing ground-types. Lando-T offers Intimidate, SR and better stats, Garchomp and Mamoswine have better dual STAB, Excadrill is a better offensive mon in sand, and Gliscor has risen to extreme prominence with ORAS. Now, I'm not saying these mons are all better than Diggersby, although some of them are. Diggersby has one thing over all of these guys: he hits hard as fuck and breaks walls like nobody's business. But Diggersby has to compete with these guys for a teamslot, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a team that doesn't need at least one of these mons, especially with Lando-T on basically every team. I don't think the problem is that Diggersby is ineffective in the current meta. It's decent. It just faces serious competition from the best Pokémon in the metagame.
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Sorry, I started this like, 2 hours ago, at least, but I never got a chance to post it before the coversation probably moved on. I can't tell for sure, I'm on
my phone.


As opposed to lando, Diggersby gets priority, while lando is reliant on its bulk (good, but not incredible when you're 4x weak) or choice scarf to be successful. This isn't necessarily bad, but it is a nuisance. Diggersby, on the other hand, can run LO for even more power. Gliscor has the same problem, albeit more reliant on its bulk, as speed is enough to beat stall, exca relies on sand, and shares common weaknesses w/ Ttar, mamo is the awful ice type (defensively) etc.. You're right that all those have a major niche over digger bunny, and some (actually gliscor, especially) aren't even really similar. Few to none of the mons you named really perform the same role, exactly. Lando is almost exclusively a pivot or wall/ rocks layer, gliscor either stalls or breaks stall, exca can perform multiple roles; a SR sweeper, hazard control, or potent scarfer, garchomp is usually a bulky rocky helmet set atm, that or sash lead, but rarely if ever a straight up sweeper anymore, you get the jist. The most similar is probably mamo, as they actually have basically comparable stats, but mamo has a better offensive typing, a worse defensive one by far, slightly more speed, significantly less power, weaker stab, no swords dance, and the ability to go (kinda) mixed w/ freeze dry.

Also, I think diggerbunny can catch the opponent off guard, like they underestimate it. Lando t, for example, is immeadiately noticed and many teams will target it as it's an obvious threat. I don't feel the same is true for digby. It can kinda be effectively used as a "secret weapon" to just rip entire teams apart.
 
MaestroDeSWAG said:
Sorry, I started this like, 2 hours ago, at least, but I never got a chance to post it before the coversation probably moved on. I can't tell for sure, I'm on
my phone.


As opposed to lando, Diggersby gets priority, while lando is reliant on its bulk (good, but not incredible when you're 4x weak) or choice scarf to be successful. This isn't necessarily bad, but it is a nuisance. Diggersby, on the other hand, can run LO for even more power. Gliscor has the same problem, albeit more reliant on its bulk, as speed is enough to beat stall, exca relies on sand, and shares common weaknesses w/ Ttar, mamo is the awful ice type (defensively) etc.. You're right that all those have a major niche over digger bunny, and some (actually gliscor, especially) aren't even really similar. Few to none of the mons you named really perform the same role, exactly. Lando is almost exclusively a pivot or wall/ rocks layer, gliscor either stalls or breaks stall, exca can perform multiple roles; a SR sweeper, hazard control, or potent scarfer, garchomp is usually a bulky rocky helmet set atm, that or sash lead, but rarely if ever a straight up sweeper anymore, you get the jist. The most similar is probably mamo, as they actually have basically comparable stats, but mamo has a better offensive typing, a worse defensive one by far, slightly more speed, significantly less power, weaker stab, no swords dance, and the ability to go (kinda) mixed w/ freeze dry.

Also, I think diggerbunny can catch the opponent off guard, like they underestimate it. Lando t, for example, is immeadiately noticed and many teams will target it as it's an obvious threat. I don't feel the same is true for digby. It can kinda be effectively used as a "secret weapon" to just rip entire teams apart.
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I greatly agree with this and you also summed up one of diggersby's advantages over landoge and mammoswine,How unprepared for it is. You're often prepared for landoge because everyone and their mother uses it but diggersby's lack of usage means it can easily dismantle a team if they lack checks.
 
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