Do NOT fuck with Glaceon! (Peaked #1)

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Introduction: From the creator of DPP's famous UU hail team, BlizzSpam, and BW's first famous UU hail team, Hail the Queen!, brings you yet another premier BW's UU hail team, "Do NOT fuck with Glaceon!"

Prior to the powerful anti-hail pokemon's arrivals in UU, I was dominating that metagame without anyone really capable of slowing me down. Then the new arrivals of anti-hail hard hitters like Chandelure, Darmanitan, Tornadus, Hippowdon, Machamp, Magic Guard Alakazam, etc showed up on the field and completely decimated my once all-powerful and unstoppable hail team. But of course, as long as I play, hail will always reign supreme in UU and this team of mine proves that. I have once again conquered the UU leaderboard and peaked at #1 with this new hail team, despite all the drawbacks. You just can't stop me.

By the way, you need to be very pro to play this team, otherwise don't expect to be too successful with it. So without further ado...

I present you my new BW hail team.

At a glance:

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ABOMASNOW (Abomasnow) (F) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect

Description: Last generation, I terrorized my oppositions with Snover. A freaking Snover, mind you. So with Abomasnow at my disposal, my opponents usually have more than they could ever handle. With any hail teams, Abomasnow is a must. She's the only hail-inducer in the game, and despite her many weaknesses, her resistances to pests like Suicune more than make up for her shortcomings.

This is a hard hitting Abomasnow. It will likely kill something before going down, thanks to Focus Sash. Before, pests like Excavalier, would be able to switch into her with impunity and the only way I could annoy them was through the use of Leech Seed. With max Special Attack and Speed, there's no time for that. I want to Blizzard something down and I want to do it quick. Excavalier switches in? Eat a Hidden Power (Fire). Protect is still a good utility move even without Leech Seed; it never hurts to Protect on the first turn to zap a bit of health from something like Darmanitan.

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FROSLASS (Froslass) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Blizzard
- Spikes
- Toxic

Description: Don't let her petite cuteness fools ya. Froslass is an absolute nightmare in the hailstorm with her amazing ability, Snow Cloak. She's so annoying; my mountain of victims can easily attest to that. This is pretty much the same Froslass set that I used last time except I replaced Thunder Wave with Toxic; Toxic is a lot more useful, capable of poisoning annoying shits like Slowbro. Xatu will be the one spreading paralysis this time around for Froslass, Glaceon, and Mamoswine to abuse their Snow Cloak ability.

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GLACEON (Glaceon) (F) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Baton Pass

Glaceon is an absolute monster.

Description: Oh My God, I love this Glaceon more than I love porn. It feels so damn good to cleanly OHKO a full health Kingdra, Machamp, etc with Blizzard. Blizzard also 2HKOs specially defensive Umbreon and Cresselia. It's so broken I tell you. Oh and to further show how powerful a SpecsGlaceon is, it's capable of 2HKO'ing Blastoise at full health when Stealth Rock is up. DAMN! When Glaceon enters the field, something is gonna get slammed and get slammed hard--even Chansey. So if my opponent doesn't have an Empoleon or Registeel, it's gonna be really painful switching in to my Glaceon. Registeel doesn't like to get hit by a Hidden Power (Fire) either. Baton Pass is there so that I may be able to switch to Mamoswine when I anticipate my opponent switching in Registeel or something that resists Blizzard. As if that wasn't enough, this monster of a pokemon also has Snow Cloak!

As you can see, Glaceon's Special Attack is maximized with a Modest Nature and a ChoiceSpecs--those combined with the 120 pure base power of Blizzard, you just DO NOT want to fuck with Glaceon. The 220 Speed EVs ensure that she is faster than most Blastoise and Milotic's so that they wouldn't be able to Recover/Rest before taking a second shot of Blizzard straight to the bones.

THIS GLACEON IS SIMPLY BETTER THAN A G6.

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MAMOSWINE (Mamoswine) (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake

Description: I had trouble with Empoleon and Registeel before, not anymore with Mamoswine in the hizzle. Ice Shard is also an excellent move to use against Alakazam. With Mamo's Ice Shard and Azumarill's Aqua Jet, Alakazam simply does not stand a chance against me. I have never really used Stone Edge, so it's kind of a filler move.

I choose an Adamant Nature over a Jolly one simply because Mamo already has enough speed to be faster than most pokemon that she needs to be faster than; all the other threats are faster than slow 'ole Mamo anyway with or without a Jolly Nature, so the Speed EVs would be wasteful. With the added Attack EVs and Life Orb, Mamoswine hits like a motherfucking truck.

As a bonus, she also sets up Stealth Rocks for me, if Xatu doesn't already do it via Magic Bounce. Oh did I mention that Mamoswine also has the ability, Snow Cloak?

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AZUMARILL (Azumarill) (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Jet
- Superpower
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch

Description: With everything weakened by Hail, Stealth Rock, and Spikes, Azumarill will pick off my opponent's pokemon one by one with Aqua Jet. She also eases up my weakness to Chandelure, Darmanitan, Alakazam, etc. Pretty standard set, so there isn't much to say here.

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XATU (Xatu) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Toxic
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn
- Roost

Description: This Xatu is the queen of causing many a rage quit. I just hate being trolled by a fucking Sableye, so with Xatu in the wing, my opponent will be the one getting trolled instead. The specially defensive spread helps me deal with the most used pokemon in UU, Roserade. Without a Life Orb, Roserade is nothing for this Xatu to fear. She will bounce back Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Sleep Powder and everything else Roserade throws at her. Against stall teams, she will come in to Toxic and Thunder Wave everything in sight.

The 252HP and 252SDef maximize Xatu's special bulk. I choose a Sassy Nature with 0 Speed EVs and IVs so that Xatu could be as slow as possible. This is to ensure that she would be able to U-Turn away from a faster Pokemon with Stealth Rocks or Spikes without them setting those hazards up on me since I don't have a Rapid Spinner this time around.

Threats: ??? Stealth Rocks, I suppose....

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Importable:

ABOMASNOW (Abomasnow) (F) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect

FROSLASS (Froslass) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Blizzard
- Spikes
- Toxic

GLACEON (Glaceon) (F) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Baton Pass

MAMOSWINE (Mamoswine) (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake


AZUMARILL (Azumarill) (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Jet
- Superpower
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch

XATU (Xatu) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Toxic
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn
- Roost
 
Pretty good team, as much as I don't like you its still good.
Just a few suggestions, Frustration can be used over Stone Edge on Mamoswine, better accuracy + 2 more BP decent I guess, since Stone Edge is covered by mamo's STABs.
And on azumarill, Toxic > Superpower for Bulky waters (Slowbro, Suicune ((That don't have rest)), and some others). Its also pretty semi useful for things like Sableye.
 
In honesty, I liked your old team (pre-Alakazam) better. While this team is good, I can see a few obscure things causing it problems (Xatu switching into a SR getting met with a double switch to a banded pursuit). I haven't tested out Azumarill exclusively, but from my experience, their are better pokemon to utilize. Actually, a good idea may be to Scarf Mamoswine. An unboosted Jolly Icicle Crash actually does more damage than a banded Adamant Ice Shard, and with 252 speed, a scarf, and a jolly nature, Mamoswine reaches a speed stat of 426, outspeeding non-scarfed Chandelure/Darmanitan/Alakazam, the 3 pokemon Azumarill killed. If you do this, you have room to remove Azumarill and replace it with another pokemon (I'm not sure what to add, but I'm willing to bet you could reap the rewards of an extra pokemon).


Also, your Frosslass and Abomasnow descriptions are almost entirely (or entirely, I didn't check) copypasted from your last review. Lines like, "my mountain of victims can easily attest to that" are catchy enough that I remembered having heard it before, and it just doesn't work as well a second time around.
 
Sub Chandelure will hurt you, badly. It can easily come in on a Xatu so long as it avoids Toxic, as well as coming in for the revenge against Abomasnow, and then set up a Sub. Azumarill can only switch in once before getting slammed by Shadow Ball (or if Chandy is low on health, he can Pain Split you if he has that). Azumarill can only switch in once. I'd consider replacing something on your team (don't know what) with Snorlax as a more durable Fire counter.

EDIT: I just thought of what solves most of your potential threats (Fire-types). I'd suggest replacing Azumarill with Quagsire. When I was messing around with Hail last round, Rotom-H was a huge threat (as it is against your team, your whole team is weak to either Overheat or Thunderbolt). I used Gastrodon, but since he's OU now, Quagsire is a good replacement. He even gets Blizzard if you want to lay the smack down on Grass-types as well. Something like the Curse set does very well, especially when you have Xatu switching into Roserade like a champ:

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Nature: Careful
- Curse
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Recover

If you're missing the priority to take down Alakazam, just replace Protect with Ice Shard on Abomasnow. I see no point on having Protect on it when you can easily use a 4th move. Kazam should go down to 2 Ice Shards from Mamo and Aboma, I think. On the topic of Mamoswine, since you say Stone Edge is mostly filler, you can replace it with a much better move (in most situations) named Icicle Crash. You actually have a strong Ice STAB with that move, why not use it?

Another thing: Your Glaceon's HP stat is 280 with those EVs. That's divisible by 4, and this is unacceptable for a SR-weak mon. Take 4 EVs out of HP and put them somewhere else, please.
 
imo ice punch > frustration on azumarill. the extra coverage on grasses won't really make a difference and frustration lets you keep pressure on slowbro with layers.
 
thanks, cherub agent! i will have to try rotom-f too. it just looks so ugly to me and i don't like ugly mons lol

thanks for the evs tip, shrang. this is a hard hitting team. chandelure can only sub on xatu, and it has to be wary of xatu's toxic/thunderwave/ and u-turn. i play cautiously when chandelure is in the team preview. i wouldn't switch out against chandelure, hence a focus sash on abomasnow, ice shard on mamoswine, etc. i can afford to make a switch when azu is at full health, otherwise i wouldn't risk it

badabing: ice punch is a filler move pretty much, but it's fun to ohko a roserade on the switch, and i have done that plenty of times :) slowbro is toxic'ed to death by xatu, no problem at all. that xatu can take anything slowbro throws at it
 
How do you deal with Scarf Darmi? Azumarill can only switch in twice at the very most.

252Atk Sheer Force Darmanitan (+Atk) Flare Blitz vs 212HP/0Def Azumarill (Neutral): 45% - 53% (178 - 210 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 10% chance to 2HKO.
 
Blizzard also 2HKOs specially defensive Umbreon and Cresselia.
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...Gasp! The pinnacle of special defensive in UU. Glaceon truly is a boss amongst bosses.

Snorlax? Never heard of him.
 
oh yeah snorlax is a major annoyance because of his special bulk and fatness that halves the damage from a blizzard. got mamo and azu to chase him off though
 
should probably keep the one that points out pretty much everything that 6-0s this team so you can respond how to beat it - otherwise, whats there to be rated? i guess i can suggest a scarf chandelure of your own, probably over xatu whos basically dead weight on this offensive team - it at least checks everything mentioned so far and actually can put you in a good position to win.
 
Ok, I had to delete a bunch of fairly useless comments. Whatever your opinion of user: WhiteQueen may be, please refrain from posting unless you have something polite and constructive to say. Otherwise, your sentiments would be better expressed via VM / PM, if at all. I didn't hand out any infractions this time, but I won't hesitate to if necessary.
 
yes having my own chandelure would help a lot for sure. but i swear i will never use a fire type on any of my hail teams ever again. it's a sore to my eyes. fire pokemon simply do not belong on a hail team. i'd rather lose than to use one

anyways, this team has a similar battling concept as blizzspam--sacrifice is necessary. say abomasnow is down to 1% health after focas sash activates, if possible, switch her out, then switch her back in again later to sacrifice her to make way for another pokemon to come in to threaten whatever it is that fainted her

that's how i play this team

thank you, faladran!
 
i remember facing this team on the ladder a couple of times and i was able to sweep it clean with my sd kabutops, as you werent able to play your sash aboma well enough in order to keep hail up vs my sand.

id suggest leftovers on abomasnow to give you this advantage and i think you should use poliwrath over azumarill whos 2hkoed by a lo stone edge.
 
i dont remember ever being swept by a sd kabutops ever. you sure the person you faced was me?

focus sash is needed on abomasnow. this isn't hail stall like my first hail team. i will keep abomasnow on the field to blizzard a chandelure when abomasnow is at full health. can't do that without a sash

unlike sand, hail isa really difficult style to play. there are so many weaknesses to deal with; getting #1 consistently with hail is a testament to how well i play it. i appreciate all the genuine rates. but please no petty covert insults to try to discredit me. before going on about how all you do is press blizzard blah blah blah. please make your own hail team to get up to #1. then i will likely shut my mouth for awhile. otherwise, let's try to be a little less jealous and a little more friendly and enjoy my contributions to the bw uu forums <3
 
The fact that hail is "hard to play" is not a cop out to avoid serious threats when you asked for your team to be rated. I would also suggest trying bulky poliwrath over azumarill to cover some of your weaknesses. Along with kabutops, things like bisharp or heracross prove to be troublesome to this team. In addition to covering these threats circle throw is amazing for preventing set up and racking up hazards damage to aid you in your sweeps.
 
How do you deal with Rock Polish Rhyperior? I mean, it can safely switch into xatu (very easily, since Rhyperior-Roserade is a common core and xatu will be probably switching to avoid toxic spikes/spikes/sleep powder), and it can easily set up on xatu. Supposing it's at full health when it set up (again, very likely), you can do nothing but willing for a miss, because azumarill can OHKO with aqua jet thanks to solid rock. OK, i know that then mamoswine can finish it, but it will let you very weakened. Just in general i see rhyperior as a threat, because you have no switch ins. At least, if you left xatu as death fodder, it won't be switching anytime soon.

I'm curious about how you do to win weathe wars and how to defeat sand teams in general, it will be nice to hear about.
 
Upstart: that wasn't a cop out. People cop out when they're at the bottom or are unable to reach the top. Someone at the peak does not need to use a cop out. I said that simply to show how effective I play hail and how knowledgeable I am of bw uu. This team looks so frail on paper yet is so effective justifies what I just said

Poliwrath doesn't sound bad actually. It's water and not ugly--could be usable. Also I just have a lot of jealous, bitter haters. If this rmt was posted by someone more users friendly, you guys would bounce up and down on his dick telling him how amazing and unique this team is. There's no denying that

DestinyUnknown: five of my mons annihilate rhyperior. Xatu can toxic or uturn away, both of which are more likely than rhyperior setting up a substitute on it. Have never ever had any problem with rhyperior, but if it somehow succeeds to set up, then I have no choice but to get smashed that one game eh?

Also, read my introduction. I eat sand teams for breakfast
 
ABOMASNOW (Abomasnow) (F) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect
It's slow as ass, 252 Speed EVs are a waste, try something defensive or a mixed set with Blizzard + Wood Hammer + Leech Seed + Substitute @ Leftovers

FROSLASS (Froslass) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Blizzard
- Spikes
- Toxic
Destiny Bond > Substitute, always. Then, it should be more offensive, with Thunderbolt or Shadow Ball

GLACEON (Glaceon) (F) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Snow Cloak
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Baton Pass
Baton Pass? .-. Try Shadow Ball or Signal Beam, Glaceon's movepool is awful, hasn't so many offensive-oriented moves

AZUMARILL (Azumarill) (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Huge Power
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Aqua Jet
- Superpower
- Waterfall
- Ice Punch
Why don't you try a Trick Room set? A lot of UU teams are TrickRoom, and 99% of the times you use Aqua Jet, so it can be useful

XATU (Xatu) (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- Toxic
- Thunder Wave
- U-turn
- Roost
Here i don't understand why minimum Speed .-. Then, i don't know who are the most utilized Spikers in UU, but i guess Toxic + Thunder Wave isn't so helpful
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Yeah Bruno none of the suggestions you provided are helpful at all.

Anyway, I'm kind of questioning the Sash on Aboma. Secondary damage is pretty much on every single team that's even halfway decent in UU right now, and I imagine you have to make a lot of switches to keep hail up, which means that, at least through my theories, that Aboma's sash would rarely stay intact and be helpful. Of course, I may be wrong.

But that's a minor nitpick. This team is an excellent change from your last one that takes care of the new threats really well. You're kind of a cocky prick, but it's undeniable that you've got the art of offensive hail mastered to its core, and I applaud you for using one of the more difficult playstyles in a metagame to near perfection.

P.S. you're not #1 at the moment. better "get back to the top" and "create a mountain of victims" as the cool kids say.
 
against non-sand teams, i will always lead with abomasnow since hail will be the ongoing weather even when aboma faints and goes on vacation. the focus sash is a very useful item on this particular abomasnow. for instance, hidden power (fire) wouldn't be able to ohko escavalier, but it will bring escavalier on the verge of fainting. so on the next turn, i may just click blizzard, and if escavalier stays in, it will faint, if something else switches in, it will be hammered hard. the same applies to alakazam, zapdos, etc. with the sash on, abomasnow can stay in to have fun with them without my having to panic about which pokemon to switch in to take a hit from those powerful attackers

i've started off the battle against lead tornadus (with flight gem) plenty of times, and with the sash on, i get to ohko tornadus while obomasnow stays alive with 1HP left that i can use as sacrificial fodder later on in the battle. same thing with roserade leads, seeing xatu on my team, they will likely use sludge bomb, and the story ends the same as the one with tornadus'--roserade faints while abomasnow still has 1hp remaining

now against sand teams, of course i can't play so recklessly with abomasnow. i need the hail up in order to abuse glaceon's blizzard; ice beam is still strong, but it's just not the same. and yeah against sand teams, a sash on abomasnow may be a wasteful item, and i agree with that. but with xatu on my team, i can play mind games with my opponents and give them second thoughts about setting up hazards on me
 
I see. Very well then. Other than that, the only real "problem" I see is that when Scarf Darmanitan is present, you're going to get hit fairly hard. Even Azumarill can't take repeated Flare Blitzes, and once he's gone he's going to rip on you until hail, recoil, and probably Ice Shard brings it down. You can't really change anything without tearing up the point of the team though so it's probably just something that has to be dealt with. Too bad Azumarill doesn't learn Pursuit or something lolz
 
i've decimated over 1000+ darmanitan's already. yes, it's just something i have to deal with. and i can deal with it for sure. that's why i have a sash on abomasnow. flareblitz makes darmanitan lose its health, hail makes it lose its health, and blizzard still hurts it like hell because of its pityful defensive stats

and that thing loses 25% switching into stealth rocks. very powerful pokemon darmanitan is indeed. but it's so frail and easy to kill it's not even funny
 
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