Gen 1 Dodrio (Mini) [QC 2/2] [GP 1/1]

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[OVERVIEW]

Being extremely fast and hitting as hard as Snorlax, Dodrio can be a frightening foe in RBY OU, acting as a strong revenge killer and late-game sweeper. Its offensive prowess is no joke, with Body Slam + Hyper Beam 2HKOing many Pokemon in the tier, including Chansey and Starmie. With STAB Drill Peck under its belt, Dodrio has the potential to even OHKO Exeggutor with a critical hit, as well as play around Counter users like Chansey. When used alongside Tauros, Dodrio is very capable of tearing holes in the opposing team that can leave it ripe for exploitation from its teammates.

However, Dodrio is by no means a standard, and there are many reasons why. For starters, it is extremely frail, struggling to even stomach neutral hits and being OHKOed by Zapdos, Articuno, and even Cloyster. This fragility, combined with paralysis incapacitating it, makes it very difficult to utilize outside of late-game scenarios, which many teams will struggle to facilitate. Furthermore, similar to Zapdos, Dodrio is completely hopeless against Rhydon, getting effortlessly stonewalled. Finally, like many Normal-type attackers, Dodrio is strictly outclassed by Tauros, which possesses superior coverage and Speed; ergo, Dodrio must be used alongside it. Overall, while it has merit, Dodrio's flaws make it difficult to recommend for conventional RBY OU teams.

[SET]
name: Agility Sweeper
move 1: Body Slam
move 2: Drill Peck
move 3: Hyper Beam
move 4: Agility

[SET COMMENTS]

Dodrio is fairly straightforward, aiming to simply deal as much damage as possible while not sustaining damage or paralysis itself. Body Slam makes Dodrio extremely difficult to switch into, with the paralysis chance ruining faster Pokemon like Alakazam and Starmie while leaving them wide open to a KO the following turn. Drill Peck allows Dodrio to duel Gengar and Exeggutor far more effectively; it also does not enable Counter, which lets Dodrio scout users like Chansey while not losing any offensive pressure. Hyper Beam can potentially OHKO Jynx and Alakazam, as well as secure 2HKOs on Chansey and Starmie in tandem with Body Slam. With critical hit Hyper Beam, Dodrio can 2HKO any Pokemon in the tier barring Rhydon after a Body Slam. Finally, Agility allows Dodrio to outrun the entire unboosted metagame, giving it a more secure late-game sweep, (AC) while bypassing the Speed drop from paralysis.

Dodrio's movepool is quite barren, but it has some niche options worth exploring. While it doesn't protect from status in RBY, Substitute is a viable choice to scout for free turns, such as the opponent switching or full paralysis, allowing Dodrio to stomach harder hits than it otherwise could. However, Substitute's HP cost makes Dodrio much easier to revenge kill later, cutting into its already poor bulk. Mimic is a serviceable option, giving Dodrio a potential coverage move like Earthquake to better handle Rhydon, but is extremely unreliable.

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- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
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Not a QCer, but there's a couple things I think are worth noting.
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Finally, like many Normal-type attackers, Dodrio is strictly outclassed by Tauros, which possesses superior coverage and Speed;
I think "strictly outclassed" may be too harsh here. Agility is going to set it apart heavily from Tauros, and it handles Exeggutor better since Drill Peck 2HKOs much more reliably than Tauros' Blizzard or Fire Blast. Obviously you wouldn't actually use it OVER Tauros, but it's not a complete downgrade.

as well as secure 2HKOs on Chansey and Starmie
You're not going to be landing multiple attacks with Hyper Beam due to recharge, so you're not really 2HKOing it. "as well as secure KOs on Chansey and Starmie at ______%" or something may be more appropriate here.

With critical hits, Dodrio can 2HKO any Pokemon in the tier barring Rhydon
Same thing as above. May also want to specify what "with critical hits" means, since Crit Body Slam into Non-Crit Hyper Beam will not KO a Cloyster for example.

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Overall don't have too many details to touch on, good work like always.
 

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I think "strictly outclassed" may be too harsh here. Agility is going to set it apart heavily from Tauros, and it handles Exeggutor better since Drill Peck 2HKOs much more reliably than Tauros' Blizzard or Fire Blast. Obviously you wouldn't actually use it OVER Tauros, but it's not a complete downgrade.
On paper, this may seem true. However, in practice, it just isn't: if you won't use it over Tauros, then it is a downgrade and it is outclassed, and it should be harshly worded to reflect that. Agility does not make up for the drop in Speed and mediocre coverage at all. Of course, Dodrio is going to do a couple of things better, but the overall impact it has compared to Tauros is like night and day. I won't change this unless the QC Team says so.

The rest are valid criticisms, I added some clarity enhancements to reflect it. Namely, noting "in tandem with Body Slam" regarding the 2HKOs and noting specifically crit HB after BSlam. I wasn't talking about a sequence of Hyper Beams, but SlamBeam sequences.
 
Dodrio Hyper Beam vs. Jynx: 304-358 (91.2 - 107.5%) -- 46.2% chance to OHKO
Is it worth mentioning that using Dodrio as a lead can threaten a OHKO on Lead Jynx?
 

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[OVERVIEW]

Being extremely fast and hitting as hard as Snorlax, Dodrio has the potential to can be a frightening foe in RBY OU, acting as a strong revenge killer and late-game sweeper. Dodrio's Its offensive prowess is no joke, with Body Slam + Hyper Beam 2HKOing many Pokemon in the tier, including Chansey and Starmie. With STAB Drill Peck under its belt, Dodrio has the potential to even OHKO Exeggutor with a critical hit, as well as play around Counter users like Chansey. When used alongside Tauros, Dodrio is very capable of tearing holes in the opposing team that can leave them it ripe for exploitation from its teammates.

However, Dodrio is by no means a standard, (you could also do like "is not a prominent presence" instead) and there are many reasons why it's not seen OU prominence. For starters, Dodrio it is extremely frail, struggling to even stomach neutral hits and being OHKOed by Zapdos, Articuno, and even Cloyster. This fragility, combined with getting incapacitated by paralysis, paralysis incapacitating it, makes it very difficult to utilize Dodrio outside of late-game scenarios, which many teams will struggle to facilitate. Furthermore, similar to Zapdos, Dodrio is completely hopeless against Rhydon, getting effortlessly stonewalled. Finally, like many Normal-type attackers, Dodrio is strictly outclassed by Tauros, which possesses superior coverage and Speed; ergo, Dodrio must be used alongside it. Overall, while it has merit, Dodrio's flaws make it difficult to recommend for conventional RBY OU teams.

[SET]
name: Agility Sweeper
move 1: Body Slam
move 2: Drill Peck
move 3: Hyper Beam
move 4: Agility

[SET COMMENTS]

Dodrio is fairly straightforward, aiming to simply deal as much damage as possible while not sustaining damage or paralysis itself. Body Slam makes Dodrio extremely difficult to switch into, with the paralysis chance ruining faster Pokemon like Alakazam and Starmie while leaving them wide open to a KO the following turn. Drill Peck allows Dodrio to duel Gengar and Exeggutor far more effectively; it also cannot be countered, does not enable Counter, which lets Dodrio scout users like Chansey while not losing any offensive pressure. Hyper Beam can potentially OHKO Jynx and Alakazam, as well as secure 2HKOs on Chansey and Starmie in tandem with Body Slam. With critical hit Hyper Beam, Dodrio can 2HKO any Pokemon in the tier barring Rhydon after a Body Slam. Finally, Agility allows Dodrio to outrun the entire unboosted metagame, giving it a more secure late-game sweep, (AC) while bypassing the Speed drop from paralysis.

Dodrio's movepool is quite barren, but it has some niche options worth exploring. While it doesn't protect from status in RBY, Substitute is a viable choice to scout for free turns, such as the opponent switching or full paralysis, allowing it Dodrio to stomach harder hits than it otherwise could. However, Substitute's HP cost makes Dodrio much easier to revenge kill later, cutting into its already poor bulk. Mimic is a serviceable option, giving Dodrio a potential coverage move like Earthquake to better handle Rhydon, but is extremely unreliable.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[Enigami, 233818], [Amaranth, 265630]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Finland, 517429]]

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