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[DONE] KANTO CLASSIC: Post your results!
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honestly it completely depends on your preference. they both have their pros and cons. if you're going to use stored power, make sure to have minimize.
I like CM Moonblast cause it allows clef to function throughout the game even when you dont have it set up to sweep right away. You can still batter things down like Dragonite with Moonblast if ever need be. I personally dont like the stored power sets just because they're so dedicated to only sweeping and have no immediate power.
The calm mind set with moon blast is also my favorite. I have Thunder Wave in there and it really helps against faster threats like Gengar, Alakazam, and Aerodactyl.
You realise that Aero gets Earthquake, which hits all those things (apart from Dragonite, who you can still hit with Rock Slide / Stone Edge), right? Aero also gets Aerial Ace which hits the Grass-types harder thanks to STAB. Ice Fang literally only hits Dugtrio, so I don't think it's worth the moveslot.
Also get rid of Counter on Chansey please... If you aren't gonna use Toxic for damage then use Seismic Toss.
And yeah that's the Clef set I've been using and it's fantastic after you KO the opp's Tentacruel.
Not sure if making a thread for this is allowed here, so I'll make a Role Compendium for Kanto Classic :]
I can add on to the lists as we go on. I'm trying to avoid adding on Pokemon that simply are unviable and outclassed in certain roles such as "Agility Parasect" or w/e, so not all the users in Gen 1 will be listed.
Set-up Sweepers:
Calm Mind:
Dragon Dance:
Swords Dance:
Nasty Plot:
Rock Polish/Agility:
Quiver Dance:
Chlorophyll:
Curse:
Minimize:
Shell Smash:
Hazard Control:
Stealth Rock:
Spikes:
Toxic Spikes:
Rapid Spin:
Defog:(Transfer Only)
Priority users:
Extremespeed:
Sucker Punch:
(Transfer Only)
Aqua Jet:
Bullet Punch:
Fake Out:
Mach Punch:
Phasers:
Roar:
Whirlwind:
Stallbreakers:
Taunt:
Encore:
Disable:
Status users:
Thunder Wave:
Will-o-Wisp:
Sleep:
Spore:
Sleep Powder:
Hypnosis:
Volt Turn:
Volt Switch:
U-Turn:
Stat Boost Removers:
Clear Smog:
Acid Spray:
Trappers:
Arena Trap:
Block/Mean Look + Perish Song:
Clefable checks:
I would add a section for Bulk Up users in the set-up sweeper category. Yeah, most of them are pretty slow, but we can use Trick Room, eh?
Out of curiosity, what does your team look like at the moment?
Also, because I'm a noob at this stuff, what order should I use the moves on the Clefable set you mentioned (Stored Power, Minimize, Calm Mind, Moonlight)? And what EVs/nature?
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Anyone got set suggestions for Aerodactyl/Alakazam/Nidoking?
Want to start making a team and use PS for the first time in preparation for the actual competition, just not too sure where to start with the team (besides Clefable, lol).
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Would adamant or jolly dnite be good here? So far team is ARCANINE,Slowbro, and I'll train up a tentacruel? What nature and move set for him I was thinking calm with rapid spin and haze for sure. Then I'll need two more pokes
Hello michaelhale91 and welcome to smogon! Since youre new here I'm guessing you don't know about pokemon showdown. It is basically a simulator which let's you battle mons online. So before breeding for a team most of us practice there and after we are satisfied with our teams we breed for them on cart. This saves a ton of time and effort so I recommend you try it out immediately. As for Dragonite, jolly is better Imo because it let's you outspeed jolteon and aerodactyl after a dragon dance which is huge as they are both threats to Dragonite as the former carries hidden power ice and the latter has a stab stone edge.
Pretty much this. Jolly also lets you either speed tie opposing Jolly Dragonite or flat out outspeed Adamant variants.
That being said, Adamant is still not a bad option if you're looking for more power. Adamant Iron Head is capable of a guaranteed 2HKO vs phys def Clefable after Stealth Rock:
252+ Atk Dragonite Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 90-108 (44.5 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Dragonite Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 82-98 (40.5 - 48.5%) -- 66.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Yeah I did a few battles in showdown I feel I need a ice move my first battle a dragonite with drago tail and thunder wave stomped me!! I'll probably need a rock type because I went with Persian and gengar and that didn't work too well for that battle but that team did very well the 2nd battle. Hmmm and tentacruel I need a decent spread and move set idk I feel I need some ice moves for zapdos or rocks or something
So I'm still messing around and looking for two mons to fill my roster. I've experimented and I'm sticking with the following 4:
Persian- fastest fake out in the west
Jolteon- speedy special glass cannon (been my favorite mon of all time since RBY days)
Tentacruel- antisweeper/ anticlefable/ spinner
Clefable- CM/ moonblast/ twave set
Thinking about aerodactyl for SR/ Taunt/ Roar shenanigans. And can't decide on a 6th mon to save my life.
Persian- fastest fake out in the west
Jolteon- speedy special glass cannon (been my favorite mon of all time since RBY days)
Tentacruel- antisweeper/ anticlefable/ spinner
Clefable- CM/ moonblast/ twave set
Thinking about aerodactyl for SR/ Taunt/ Roar shenanigans. And can't decide on a 6th mon to save my life.
Aerodacty would definitely be good, though Roar would be a horrible idea on it. Lots of people use Alakazam, other things you see a lot are Chansey, Alakazam, Dragonite, and Gyarados. Any of those could be your sixth, though Gyara gives you a bit of an electric weakness despite having Jolteon.
Dugtrio
Ability: Arena Trap
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Memento
- Fissure
Loving Dugtrio at the moment as a way to trap and stop nearly everything that stops Clefable apart from Weezing. Memento is to stop things that come in and try to set up on Dugtrio like Dragonite and Fissure is a way to kill Machamp.
Ability: Arena Trap
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Memento
- Fissure
Loving Dugtrio at the moment as a way to trap and stop nearly everything that stops Clefable apart from Weezing. Memento is to stop things that come in and try to set up on Dugtrio like Dragonite and Fissure is a way to kill Machamp.
Alright so Aerodactyl has found a place in my heart. I want to run Zam but have never used him before. Nature? Spread? I imagine Magic Guard and then I was thinking Sub/ Encore/ Disable/ Psyshock
Timid I think, max Spe and SpA. I run Psychic and Calm Mind over Disable and Encore, but it's probably fine either way.
I only got around to making a team when the ladder was first put up, and it pretty much just took advantage of Clefable hype before people started running Tentacruel a lot, so it's pretty outdated now but I went for about 10-0 to start out. I jumped on yesterday and had trouble with it now that everyone has clued on to the antics lol.
It was mini-CM Clef / Magneton / mixedking / disruptor Zam / CM Slowbro / Snorlax
I think it served as a good starting point, and I have a few cool ideas to fix it up so I don't lose to Tentacruel so hard!
I would usually use Minimize first with Clef as not much can 2HKO it, then stall for a miss with Moonlight before trying to Calm Mind. If the opp doesn't have any threatening physical hitters then go for a CM first if you want. Then it's just a matter of racking up the boosts before going on a Stored Power sweep. You can't just mindlessly send in Clef and hax your way to victory though, bringing it in on a paralysed foe or against a special attacker like Starmie etc really helps ease the set up.
Went through my White version last night. Got some ok guys in there I think.
Here's what I found:
Pardon the long post.
Here's what I found:
Pokemon I have on White version
Seaking -- lv. 45
Brave; Swift Swim
Aqua Ring
Fury Attack
Waterfall
Horn Drill
Dodge -- lv. 1
Serious; Water Absorb
Toxic
Tackle
Helping Hand
Ice Beam
Jolteon -- lv. 17
Quirky; Volt Absorb
Dig
Shadow Ball
Thunder
Thunderbolt
Butterfree -- lv. 60
Naughty; Compoundeyes
Aerial Ace
Protect
Acrobatics
Struggle Bug
Dugtrio -- lv. 27
Bashful; Arena Trap
Sucker Punch
Bulldoze
Mud Bomb
Earthquake
Hypno -- lv. 40
Docile; Forewarn
Meditate
Psybeam
Psych Up
Synchronoize
Kangaskhan -- lv. 59
Timid; Scrappy
Endure
Outrage
Sucker Punch
Reversal
Starmie -- lv. 38
Impish; Illuminate
Rapid Spin
Recover
Toxi
Confuse Ray
Flareon -- lv. 57
Serious; Flash Fire
Flamethrower
Fire Fang
Overheat
Last Resort
Kabutops -- lv. 40
Sassy; Battle Armor
Mega Drain
Ice Beam
Slash
Aqua Jet
Lapras -- Lv. 71
Modest; Hydration
Surf
Waterfall
Strength
Ice Beam
Jynx -- lv 48
Impish; Forewarn
Fake Tears
Wake-up Slap
Avalanche
Body Slam
Jynx -- lv. 50
Serious; Oblivious
Ice Beam
Psychic
Energy Ball
Focus Blast
Fearow -- lv. 60
Sassy; Keen Eye
Assurance
Roost
Drill Peck
Drill Run
Ninetales -- lv. 57
Impish; Flash Fire
Grudge
Inferno
Extrasensory
Fire Blast
Onix -- lv. 49
Docile; Rock Head
Stealth Rock
Stone Edge
Curse
Iron Tail
Rapidash -- lv. 77
Calm; Run Away
Fire Blast
Bounce
Overheat
Poison Jab
Ninetales -- lv. 47
Lax; Flash Fire
Dig
Grudge
Inferno
Flamethrower
Tentacruel -- lv. 20
Gentle; Liquid Ooze
Constrict
Acid
Toxic Spikes
BubbleBeam
Snorlax -- lv. 29
Quiet; Immunity
Belly Drum
Rest
Yawn
Chip Away
Glalie -- lv. 42
Modest; Inner Focus
Protect
Icy Wind
Ice Shard
Crunch
Porygon -- lv. 1
Docile; Download
Conversion2
Tackle
Conversion
Sharpen
Clefable -- lv. 55
Modest; Magic Guard
Sing
DoubleSlap
Minimize
Metronome
Clefable -- lv. 55
Modest; Cute Charm
Sing
DoubleSlap
Minimize
Metronome
Porygon -- lv. 20
Quirky; Analytic
Sharpen
Psybeam
Agility
Recover
Kangaskhan -- lv. 59
Calm; Early Bird
Endure
Outrage
Sucker Punch
Reversal
Parasect -- lv. 29
Calm; Effect Spore
Spore
Slash
PoisonPowder
Leech Life
Golduck -- lv. 47
Hasty; Damp
Fury Swipes
Screech
Soak
Psych Up
Seadra -- lv. 59
Bashful; Poison Point
Brine
Hydro Pump
Dragon Dance
Dragon Pulse
Exeggutor -- lv. 37
Brave; Chlorophyll
Reflect
Leech Seed
Confusion
PoisonPowder
Gyarados -- lv. 35
Calm; Intimidate
Twister
Ice Fang
Waterfall
Surf
Exeggutor -- lv. 49
Jolly; Chlorophyll
Worry Seed
Natural Gift
SolarBeam
Psychic
Skarmory -- lv. 76
Bold; Keen Eye
Steel Wing
Fly
X-Scissor
Night Slash
Hypno -- lv. 26
Calm; Inner Focus
Pound
Poison Gas
Psybeam
Confusion
Hitmonchan -- lv. 31
Bold; Keen Eye
Revenge
Helping Hand
Fake Out
Quick Guard
Hitmonlee -- lv. 30
Mild; Reckless
Helping Hand
Fake Out
Foresight
Hi Jump Kick
Weezing -- lv. 51
Careful; Levitate
Haze
Double Hit
Explosion
Sludge Bomb
Porygon -- lv. 40
Serious; Analytic
Magnet Rise
Signal Beam
Recycle
Discharge
Porygon -- lv. 10
Gentle; Analytic
Tackle
Conversion
Sharpen
Psybeam
Dragonite -- lv. 56
Jolly; Inner Focus
Aqua Tail
Dragon Rush
Safeguard
Wing Attack
Dragonite -- lv. 57
Hasty; Inner Focus
Safeguard
Dragon Rush
Aqua Tail
Wing Attack
Dragonite -- lv. 63
Rash; Inner Focus
Safeguard
Dragon Rush
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Dragonite -- lv. 63
Naughty; Inner Focus
Safeguard
Dragon Rush
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Slowbro -- lv. 63
Brave; Own Tempo
Amnesia
Psychic
Rain Dance
Psych Up
Lapras -- lv 1
Modest; Hydration
Growl
Water Gun
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Tauros -- lv. 24
Mild; Sheer Force
Payback
Toxic
Retaliate
Stone Edge
Alakazam -- lv. 70
Quirky; Synchronize
Future Sight
Calm Mind
Psychic
Trick
Articuno -- lv. 54
Bashful; Pressure
AncientPower
Agility
Ice Beam
Reflect
Rapidash -- lv. 49
Quiet; Flash Fire
Fury Attack
Fire Blast
Bounce
Flare Blitz
Cloyster -- lv. 62
Impish; Skill Link
Aurora Beam
Spike Cannon
Spikes
Icicle Crash
Cloyster -- lv. 62
Brave; Shell Armor
Aurora Beam
Frost Breath
Ice Beam
Icicle Crash
Snorlax -- lv. 27
Serious; Immunity
Metronome
Screech
Chip Away
Recycle
Venomoth -- lv. 48
Quirky; Tinted Lens
Gust
Signal Beam
Zen Headbutt
Poison Fang
Pinsir -- lv. 60
Relaxed; Mold Breaker
Swords Dance
Submission
Gullotine
Superpower
Lapras -- lv. 1
Timid; Hydration
Water Gun
Ice Beam
Surf
Thunderbolt
Seaking -- lv. 45
Brave; Swift Swim
Aqua Ring
Fury Attack
Waterfall
Horn Drill
Dodge -- lv. 1
Serious; Water Absorb
Toxic
Tackle
Helping Hand
Ice Beam
Jolteon -- lv. 17
Quirky; Volt Absorb
Dig
Shadow Ball
Thunder
Thunderbolt
Butterfree -- lv. 60
Naughty; Compoundeyes
Aerial Ace
Protect
Acrobatics
Struggle Bug
Dugtrio -- lv. 27
Bashful; Arena Trap
Sucker Punch
Bulldoze
Mud Bomb
Earthquake
Hypno -- lv. 40
Docile; Forewarn
Meditate
Psybeam
Psych Up
Synchronoize
Kangaskhan -- lv. 59
Timid; Scrappy
Endure
Outrage
Sucker Punch
Reversal
Starmie -- lv. 38
Impish; Illuminate
Rapid Spin
Recover
Toxi
Confuse Ray
Flareon -- lv. 57
Serious; Flash Fire
Flamethrower
Fire Fang
Overheat
Last Resort
Kabutops -- lv. 40
Sassy; Battle Armor
Mega Drain
Ice Beam
Slash
Aqua Jet
Lapras -- Lv. 71
Modest; Hydration
Surf
Waterfall
Strength
Ice Beam
Jynx -- lv 48
Impish; Forewarn
Fake Tears
Wake-up Slap
Avalanche
Body Slam
Jynx -- lv. 50
Serious; Oblivious
Ice Beam
Psychic
Energy Ball
Focus Blast
Fearow -- lv. 60
Sassy; Keen Eye
Assurance
Roost
Drill Peck
Drill Run
Ninetales -- lv. 57
Impish; Flash Fire
Grudge
Inferno
Extrasensory
Fire Blast
Onix -- lv. 49
Docile; Rock Head
Stealth Rock
Stone Edge
Curse
Iron Tail
Rapidash -- lv. 77
Calm; Run Away
Fire Blast
Bounce
Overheat
Poison Jab
Ninetales -- lv. 47
Lax; Flash Fire
Dig
Grudge
Inferno
Flamethrower
Tentacruel -- lv. 20
Gentle; Liquid Ooze
Constrict
Acid
Toxic Spikes
BubbleBeam
Snorlax -- lv. 29
Quiet; Immunity
Belly Drum
Rest
Yawn
Chip Away
Glalie -- lv. 42
Modest; Inner Focus
Protect
Icy Wind
Ice Shard
Crunch
Porygon -- lv. 1
Docile; Download
Conversion2
Tackle
Conversion
Sharpen
Clefable -- lv. 55
Modest; Magic Guard
Sing
DoubleSlap
Minimize
Metronome
Clefable -- lv. 55
Modest; Cute Charm
Sing
DoubleSlap
Minimize
Metronome
Porygon -- lv. 20
Quirky; Analytic
Sharpen
Psybeam
Agility
Recover
Kangaskhan -- lv. 59
Calm; Early Bird
Endure
Outrage
Sucker Punch
Reversal
Parasect -- lv. 29
Calm; Effect Spore
Spore
Slash
PoisonPowder
Leech Life
Golduck -- lv. 47
Hasty; Damp
Fury Swipes
Screech
Soak
Psych Up
Seadra -- lv. 59
Bashful; Poison Point
Brine
Hydro Pump
Dragon Dance
Dragon Pulse
Exeggutor -- lv. 37
Brave; Chlorophyll
Reflect
Leech Seed
Confusion
PoisonPowder
Gyarados -- lv. 35
Calm; Intimidate
Twister
Ice Fang
Waterfall
Surf
Exeggutor -- lv. 49
Jolly; Chlorophyll
Worry Seed
Natural Gift
SolarBeam
Psychic
Skarmory -- lv. 76
Bold; Keen Eye
Steel Wing
Fly
X-Scissor
Night Slash
Hypno -- lv. 26
Calm; Inner Focus
Pound
Poison Gas
Psybeam
Confusion
Hitmonchan -- lv. 31
Bold; Keen Eye
Revenge
Helping Hand
Fake Out
Quick Guard
Hitmonlee -- lv. 30
Mild; Reckless
Helping Hand
Fake Out
Foresight
Hi Jump Kick
Weezing -- lv. 51
Careful; Levitate
Haze
Double Hit
Explosion
Sludge Bomb
Porygon -- lv. 40
Serious; Analytic
Magnet Rise
Signal Beam
Recycle
Discharge
Porygon -- lv. 10
Gentle; Analytic
Tackle
Conversion
Sharpen
Psybeam
Dragonite -- lv. 56
Jolly; Inner Focus
Aqua Tail
Dragon Rush
Safeguard
Wing Attack
Dragonite -- lv. 57
Hasty; Inner Focus
Safeguard
Dragon Rush
Aqua Tail
Wing Attack
Dragonite -- lv. 63
Rash; Inner Focus
Safeguard
Dragon Rush
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Dragonite -- lv. 63
Naughty; Inner Focus
Safeguard
Dragon Rush
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Slowbro -- lv. 63
Brave; Own Tempo
Amnesia
Psychic
Rain Dance
Psych Up
Lapras -- lv 1
Modest; Hydration
Growl
Water Gun
Dragon Pulse
Ice Beam
Tauros -- lv. 24
Mild; Sheer Force
Payback
Toxic
Retaliate
Stone Edge
Alakazam -- lv. 70
Quirky; Synchronize
Future Sight
Calm Mind
Psychic
Trick
Articuno -- lv. 54
Bashful; Pressure
AncientPower
Agility
Ice Beam
Reflect
Rapidash -- lv. 49
Quiet; Flash Fire
Fury Attack
Fire Blast
Bounce
Flare Blitz
Cloyster -- lv. 62
Impish; Skill Link
Aurora Beam
Spike Cannon
Spikes
Icicle Crash
Cloyster -- lv. 62
Brave; Shell Armor
Aurora Beam
Frost Breath
Ice Beam
Icicle Crash
Snorlax -- lv. 27
Serious; Immunity
Metronome
Screech
Chip Away
Recycle
Venomoth -- lv. 48
Quirky; Tinted Lens
Gust
Signal Beam
Zen Headbutt
Poison Fang
Pinsir -- lv. 60
Relaxed; Mold Breaker
Swords Dance
Submission
Gullotine
Superpower
Lapras -- lv. 1
Timid; Hydration
Water Gun
Ice Beam
Surf
Thunderbolt
Pardon the long post.
I know this took a while to produce, but...what exactly...are we supposed to do with this list of Pokemon? Surely, none of them in their current forms are viable for competitive play.
If you want "perfect" Pokemon, you have to IV breed. There are plenty of tutorials on how to breed for 5 IV Pokemon with good natures. We can't necessarily build a team for you. You'll have to do that on your own. Reference the Role Compendium I made in page 4 of this thread. That should help you in choosing viable Pokemon for your team.
OHKO moves are great in this format. If you havent tried them yet i'd recommend giving them a shot. Great way to deal with clefable and other tough to break down walls. Pretty decent option on some predicted switches as well. This meta can be pretty passive at times so you can manage to get a good number of tries to hit. And theres some pretty viable mons that get ohko moves like snorlax, rhydon, articuno. Snorlax and Rhydon mostly use them as a backup option while Articuno can potentially use it as its main weapon with a subroost set. So yeah, if you find your teams often losing to clef or stall, try out some OHKO moves.
Please don't go looking for just random Pokemon you caught during your playthrough that are eligible. I hate to say it but if you are serious about competing then you need to learn how to breed for good IVs and at the very least the correct natures! Every other person you fight online does it so by not doing it you're putting yourself at a massive disadvantage. There are guides literally all over Smogon that will help you so I won't link any here. For starters though, check out my Helpful Links thread, get yourself a Ditto from one of the links there, find the Destiny Knot and Everstone in-game, and breed yourself some competitive Pokemon!
If you have any questions, don't hesitate to PM me. Just don't clog this thread with enquiries though n_n
Hey this is my team,take a look:
Nidoking (M)
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 148 Atk / 108 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Poison Jab
- Sucker Punch
Clefable
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Minimize
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power
- Moonlight
Alakazam
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Dragonite
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Claw
- Iron Head
Cloyster
Ability: Skill Link
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Shell Smash
- Rock Blast
- Explosion
Snorlax
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Crunch
- Double-Edge
P/s:This is first time I build a team so I really need advise.
I tried this team on showdown but they all quit right after I finish set up clefable and kill 1-2 of their pkm so I didn't know how my other pokemon work or not :(
Nidoking (M)
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 148 Atk / 108 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Earth Power
- Thunderbolt
- Poison Jab
- Sucker Punch
Clefable
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Minimize
- Calm Mind
- Stored Power
- Moonlight
Alakazam
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
Dragonite
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Extreme Speed
- Dragon Claw
- Iron Head
Cloyster
Ability: Skill Link
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Shell Smash
- Rock Blast
- Explosion
Snorlax
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Crunch
- Double-Edge
P/s:This is first time I build a team so I really need advise.
I tried this team on showdown but they all quit right after I finish set up clefable and kill 1-2 of their pkm so I didn't know how my other pokemon work or not :(
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Some of those that I listed (the lv 1 ones) are ones that I bred. Most I've beaten in a team are 3 Pokemon. With the best I have.
Thanks for the offer.
Nothing really. It was just a general thing.
I've IV bred before. But it is a hassle. Best I've gotten via a 6 iv Ditto I have is 3 iv stuff for the most part.
Thanks.
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The biggest thing that I've learned from the matches I've had so far is that, very simply, a team needs to be built to overcome Clefable. I tried a number of different things, but the two I'm currently running with on my team are Chansey, Calm with 146 EVs in SpDef, which guarantees a minimum three hits from a +6 Clefable's Moonblast, and also a Specially Defensive Arcanine that can resist Moonblast and roar away an evasion boosted Clefable. For my own Clefable (because every team needs one, right?) I find that Unaware is definitely the preferred ability, as there's a lot of setup sweeping popular in the evolving meta so far. Haven't played a ton of games or anything (18-3 atm), but I'm definitely having some fun with the old Gen 1 crew.
Edit: Something I just realized, too, but Body Slam never misses Minimized targets. Snorlax crushes those Clefables, too.
Edit: Something I just realized, too, but Body Slam never misses Minimized targets. Snorlax crushes those Clefables, too.
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