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Double Sand Stall Empire

So, I have been sitting here for a while trying to find something wrong with your team, and honestly, there is really not that much you are weak to; you have pretty much checked all the threats in the current OU metagame. One thing I did find that could possible be problematic is Hail teams, even though they are very uncommon; Abomasnow looks like it could really give you trouble as the most common Abomasnow set is the Expert Belt one, and that does carry HP fire to hit Skarmory. To help combat Hail teams, I suggest a Jirachi > Zapdos, Jirachi can do the exact same job as Zapdos, but with it's Steel typing, it can help combat Hail teams; also it can provide Wish support which your team doesn't really need but it could be helpful for Tyranitar.

Here is the set you should use...

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Fire Punch
- Body Slam
- Iron Head
Also, I suggest HP fire and Heal Bell on Celebi. Heal bell would be more helpful than Baton Pass, sure Baton Pass let's you evade Pursuit, but your team is so well rounded that I don't think you need it. Also, Perish Song wouldn't be needed as you can already beat Sub CM Jirachi and most set up sweepers.

Anyway, nice team, and I hope I helped!
 
Frog said:
you can't handle TR reuniclus or volcarona. A SpD dragonite over ttar is probably your best bet.
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Thank you, can be a very good option, it proves.

High Impulse said:
So, I have been sitting here for a while trying to find something wrong with your team, and honestly, there is really not that much you are weak to; you have pretty much checked all the threats in the current OU metagame. One thing I did find that could possible be problematic is Hail teams, even though they are very uncommon; Abomasnow looks like it could really give you trouble as the most common Abomasnow set is the Expert Belt one, and that does carry HP fire to hit Skarmory. To help combat Hail teams, I suggest a Jirachi > Zapdos, Jirachi can do the exact same job as Zapdos, but with it's Steel typing, it can help combat Hail teams; also it can provide Wish support which your team doesn't really need but it could be helpful for Tyranitar.

Here is the set you should use...

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SDef / 32 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Fire Punch
- Body Slam
- Iron Head
Also, I suggest HP fire and Heal Bell on Celebi. Heal bell would be more helpful than Baton Pass, sure Baton Pass let's you evade Pursuit, but your team is so well rounded that I don't think you need it. Also, Perish Song wouldn't be needed as you can already beat Sub CM Jirachi and most set up sweepers.

Anyway, nice team, and I hope I helped!
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You have given me one of the best options, the jirachi would help me a lot with Tornadus and with hail teams but also would be more vulnerable to the suns Teams, Venusaur Hp Fire, Breloom also come easier, and would fight these monsters? Starmie in change is very risky would die D:
What do you recommend?

Thanks for the luvdisc ;)
 
Well, I wouldn't worry too much about Breloom as Celebi can deal with that if you do decide to go with HP Fire. If you play right, you should be able to handle Sun with your Double Sand.
 
This is a pretty solid team, you don't have everything covered perfectly, but you a pretty solid check to just about everything in the metagame, which is pretty great for a stall team.

My only team suggestion honestly is to maybe toy with a speedy-flamethrower Blissey over Zapdos as it would cover a lot of the same threats like Venusaur and Gengar, and still provide a pokemon to roast Scizor, Forretress, and Ferrothorn. At the same time it would outright counter Thundurus-T, Magnezone, Volcarona, and Hydregion, which otherwise you are checking. You also gain a more solid counter to Heatran and Ninetails in the sun while Starmie can barely touch. If you are interested here is the set:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 164 SDef / 92 Spd
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Softboiled
- Flamethrower
- Seismic Toss

Investment in speed creeps on standard 8 speed scizor to roast it before it can attack, and investment in spD as opposed to HP makes Venusaur get less HP back from giga-drains. What you lose from this is the ease to cover super-power Tornadus and a few last minute hax checks you get to defend yourself from various physical pokemon. I don't know if its worth the switch, it is something to toy with though if you are interested.

Now for some nitpicks:
-I highly suggest you give Hippowdon ice fang, this would allow you to counter Garchomp, Salamence, and Dragonite much better without being forced to whirl wind them with Skarmory. I would run ice fang over whirlwind or stealth rock (and then give Celebi stealth rock in maybe the last slash). If you do anything do this, because currently dragons have a good chance to outlast you, that should not be happening.
-I am not sure if someone caught this yet, but your Tyranitar is timid... change that to Jolly asap, also give it 252 speed, not just 248 to speed tie other tyranitars, I am not sure why you have that there.
-I suggest you ditch Skarmory's speed creep on wobbuffet / other skarmories, you have plenty of pokemon on this team that could stop an opposing skarmory if whirl-winded into. Grab that extra defense to help out against fire-punch dragonite and friends.
-I highly suggest you run roar on Zapdos (in the last slot) so you can take a hit from Volcarona, and get it out killing it. With 2 hits of stealth rocks and sand, its dead. It's also is a nice check to your current Volcarona weakness. Also, I don't know why you are running volt switch honestly, this is a stall team, you have like almost no momentum to play with. I highly suggest thunderbolt over volt switch for the power and paralysis hax.
-Your celebi would like psychic, not only for Breloom, for to check Thundurus-T which other wise you can only check with Tyranitar. With heat wave Zapdos, you really don't need HP-fire. Perish song is preferable in the last slot to check Reunicles better with. I would run a set up `.
-I suggest you just boot up Celebi and Zapdos's speeds to 32 to out speed jolly tyranitar and get on that common speed benchmark, the loss of bulk is negligible compared to the advantaged of being on that speed tier.

best of luck
 
Scarfwynaut said:
This is a pretty solid team, you don't have everything covered perfectly, but you a pretty solid check to just about everything in the metagame, which is pretty great for a stall team.

My only team suggestion honestly is to maybe toy with a speedy-flamethrower Blissey over Zapdos as it would cover a lot of the same threats like Venusaur and Gengar, and still provide a pokemon to roast Scizor, Forretress, and Ferrothorn. At the same time it would outright counter Thundurus-T, Magnezone, Volcarona, and Hydregion, which otherwise you are checking. You also gain a more solid counter to Heatran and Ninetails in the sun while Starmie can barely touch. If you are interested here is the set:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 164 SDef / 92 Spd
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Softboiled
- Flamethrower
- Seismic Toss

Investment in speed creeps on standard 8 speed scizor to roast it before it can attack, and investment in spD as opposed to HP makes Venusaur get less HP back from giga-drains. What you lose from this is the ease to cover super-power Tornadus and a few last minute hax checks you get to defend yourself from various physical pokemon. I don't know if its worth the switch, it is something to toy with though if you are interested.

Now for some nitpicks:
-I highly suggest you give Hippowdon ice fang, this would allow you to counter Garchomp, Salamence, and Dragonite much better without being forced to whirl wind them with Skarmory. I would run ice fang over whirlwind or stealth rock (and then give Celebi stealth rock in maybe the last slash). If you do anything do this, because currently dragons have a good chance to outlast you, that should not be happening.
-I am not sure if someone caught this yet, but your Tyranitar is timid... change that to Jolly asap, also give it 252 speed, not just 248 to speed tie other tyranitars, I am not sure why you have that there.
-I suggest you ditch Skarmory's speed creep on wobbuffet / other skarmories, you have plenty of pokemon on this team that could stop an opposing skarmory if whirl-winded into. Grab that extra defense to help out against fire-punch dragonite and friends.
-I highly suggest you run roar on Zapdos (in the last slot) so you can take a hit from Volcarona, and get it out killing it. With 2 hits of stealth rocks and sand, its dead. It's also is a nice check to your current Volcarona weakness. Also, I don't know why you are running volt switch honestly, this is a stall team, you have like almost no momentum to play with. I highly suggest thunderbolt over volt switch for the power and paralysis hax.
-Your celebi would like psychic, not only for Breloom, for to check Thundurus-T which other wise you can only check with Tyranitar. With heat wave Zapdos, you really don't need HP-fire. Perish song is preferable in the last slot to check Reunicles better with. I would run a set up `.
-I suggest you just boot up Celebi and Zapdos's speeds to 32 to out speed jolly tyranitar and get on that common speed benchmark, the loss of bulk is negligible compared to the advantaged of being on that speed tier.

best of luck
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Wow thank you very much for the set and the recommendations, makes these changes and proved, and the timid Tyranitar was a mistake I made, but thank you very much.

Anikrahman1995 said:
Why are you using a Timid nature on Tyranitar? Use a Jolly nature instead, so you don't lower your Attack.
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Haha ok, but it was a mistake, I know that is not used so
 
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