DOU Doubles Monotype Megathread

[LogIce]

Art coming soon!
Doubles Monotype​

What is Doubles Monotype?
Doubles Monotype is exactly what it sounds like, combining the metagame of Doubles OU and the nuances of monotype into one format. This thread will serve as the primary thread for resources and discussion for the format.

Doubles Monotype Council:
crow crumbs
LogIce
NinjaSnapple
Schister
Test Bots
zoe

Doubles Monotype Banlist

Players cannot use the following Pokémon:

• Annihilape
• Arceus (all formes)
• Basculegion
• Calyrex-Ice
• Calyrex-Shadow
• Darkrai
• Deoxys-Attack
• Dialga
• Dialga-Origin
• Eternatus
• Giratina
• Giratina-Origin
• Groudon
• Ho-Oh
• Koraidon
• Kyogre
• Kyurem-Black
• Kyurem-White
• Lugia
• Lunala
• Magearna
• Mewtwo
• Miraidon
• Necrozma-Dawn Wings
• Necrozma-Dusk Mane
• Palkia
• Palkia-Origin
• Rayquaza
• Reshiram
• Solgaleo
• Urshifu
• Zacian
• Zacian-Crowned
• Zamazenta
• Zamazenta-Crowned
• Zekrom

Players cannot use the following abilities:

• Commander
• Sand Veil
• Shadow Tag
• Snow Cloak

Current Watchlist:
The following moves and Pokemon are being closely watched by the council for potential tiering action.

• Expanding Force
• Coaching
• Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
• Flutter Mane

The following clauses are in effect:

• Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot use any moveset on any Pokémon capable of intentionally causing an endless battle. Thus:
  • A Pokémon may not carry Recycle and hold a Leppa Berry in conjunction with Heal Pulse and Milk Drink, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Recover, Roost, Slack Off, Soft-Boiled, or Wish.
  • A Pokémon may not hold a Leppa Berry while carrying Recycle and Pain Split.
  • A Pokémon may not hold a Leppa Berry while carrying Recycle and Fling
• Evasion Moves Clause: Players cannot use the moves Double Team or Minimize.
• Evasion Abilities Clause: Players cannot use the abilities Snow Cloak or Sand Veil.
• OHKO Clause: Players cannot use the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold.
• Species Clause: Players cannot have two Pokémon with the same Pokédex number on the same team.
• Gravity Sleep Clause: Sleep moves with below one hundred percent accuracy may not be used in conjunction with Gravity.
• Terastral Clause: Pokemon may not Terastallize.

Sample Teams

Bug Setup Hyper Offense by crow crumbs
Murkrow Dark Hyper Offense by LogIce :
Dark Balance by LogIce
Dragon Bulky Offense by crow crumbs
Electric Terrain Offense by crow crumbs
Fairy Hyper Offense by zoe
Fighting Coaching Offense by crow crumbs
Fire Sun Hyper Offense by LogIce
Flying Band Landorus-Therian by zoe
Ghost Toxic Spikes Balance by crow crumbs
Grass Wind Rider Offense by zoe
Ground Sand Balance by crow crumbs
Ice Veils Offense by LogIce
Normal Ursaluna Trick Room by LogIce
Poison Toxic Spikes Offense by LogIce
Psychic Coaching Offense by crow crumbs
Rock Hyper Offense by crow crumbs
Steel Balance by zoe
Water Rain Offense by LogIce

Challenge Code:

 /chall gen9doublesou @@@ sametypeclause, terastalclause, +terapagos, +archaludon, +flutter mane, +Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

 

[ltranc]

Can you survive 5 turns in Ursaluna Normal Trick Room

 

[LogIce]

Viability Rankings
Tier One:

Pokemon that dominate a large portion of the metagame for their typing. They are either quite powerful or offer great team support, and can fit on almost any team. You can't really go wrong by using these Pokemon.

Tier Two:

Pokemon that are generally strong and can easily be placed on a variety of teams, but don't have the same level of prowess as the threats in Tier 1.

Tier Three:

Pokemon that are generally strong, but less powerful than those in Tier 2 or Pokemon that require a decent amount of support or a specific team style to function well, but are defining pieces to said archetypes.

Tier Four:

This tier contains either Pokemon that have broad applications on a variety of teams, but are simply less effective than those in higher tiers, or are only particularly useful for certain team styles.

Bug

Tier 1
Kleavor
Volcarona

Tier 2
Frosmoth
Illumise
Scizor
Slither Wing

Tier 3
Lokix
Ribombee
Vivillon
Yanmega

Tier 4
Araquanid
Venomoth
Vikavolt
Volbeat

Dark

Tier 1
Chien-Pao
Chi-Yu
Incineroar
Roaring Moon

Tier 2
Brute Bonnet
Grimmsnarl
Kingambit
Ting-Lu

Tier 3
Hoopa-Unbound
Iron Jugulis
Moltres-Galar
Tyranitar

Tier 4
Crawdaunt
Hydreigon
Krookodile
Meowscarada
Qwilfish-Hisui
Sableye
Samurott-Hisui
Weavile

Dragon

Tier 1
Archaludon
Roaring Moon

Tier 2
Dragonite
Gouging Fire
Kyurem
Raging Bolt
Regidrago

Tier 3
Baxcalibur
Dragapult
Garchomp
Goodra-Hisui
Kommo-o

Tier 4
Hydreigon
Latias
Latios
Walking Wake

Electric

Tier 1
Iron Hands
Raging Bolt

Tier 2
Regieleki
Rotom-Wash
Sandy Shocks
Thundurus
Thundurus-Therian
Zapdos

Tier 3
Pincurchin

Tier 4
Galvantula
Iron Thorns
Kilowattrel
Oricorio-Pom-Pom
Raichu-Alola
Raikou
Rotom-Frost
Rotom-Heat
Rotom-Mow
Vikavolt

Fairy

Tier 1
Flutter Mane
Whimsicott

Tier 2
Azumarill
Clefairy
Comfey
Diancie
Enamorus
Grimmsnarl
Ninetales-Alola
Tinkaton

Tier 3
Enamorus-Therian
Fezandipiti
Iron Valiant
Mimikyu
Primarina
Scream Tail
Sylveon

Tier 4
Alcremie
Clefable
Florges
Hatterene
Klefki
Ribombee
Weezing-Galar

Fighting

Tier 1
Iron Hands
Sneasler
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike

Tier 2
Gallade
Great Tusk
Okidogi
Zapdos-Galar

Tier 3
Conkeldurr
Infernape
Iron Valiant
Kommo-o
Lilligant-Hisui
Lucario
Scrafty

Tier 4
Blaziken
Breloom
Cobalion
Flamigo
Hariyama
Hawlucha
Keldeo
Mienshao
Slither Wing
Tauros-Paldea-Blaze

Fire

Tier 1
Chi-Yu
Incineroar
Ogerpon-Hearthflame

Tier 2
Cinderace
Gouging Fire
Heatran
Iron Moth
Ninetales

Tier 3
Arcanine
Arcanine-Hisui
Entei
Magmar
Moltres
Talonflame
Tauros-Paldea-Blaze
Torkoal
Volcanion
Volcarona

Tier 4
Armarouge
Ceruledge
Chandelure
Charizard
Infernape
Rotom-Heat
Salazzle
Scovillain
Typhlosion-Hisui

Flying

Tier 1
Landorus
Tornadus

Tier 2
Dragonite
Enamorus
Iron Jugulis
Landorus-Therian
Thundurus-Therian

Tier 3
Corviknight
Moltres
Moltres-Galar
Thundurus
Zapdos-Galar

Tier 4
Articuno
Enamorus-Therian
Gyarados
Pelipper
Shaymin-Sky
Staraptor
Zapdos

Ghost

Tier 1
Basculegion-F
Flutter Mane
Gholdengo
Sinistcha

Tier 2
Dragapult
Drifblim
Pecharunt
Sableye
Spectrier

Tier 3
Brambleghast
Ceruledge
Dusclops
Froslass
Golurk
Zoroark-Hisui

Tier 4
Chandelure
Decidueye
Gengar
Houndstone
Skeledirge
Spiritomb
Typhlosion-Hisui

Grass

Tier 1
Amoonguss
Ogerpon-Cornerstone
Rillaboom
Whimsicott

Tier 2
Brute Bonnet
Meowscarada
Ogerpon-Hearthflame
Shaymin-Sky
Sinistcha

Tier 3
Lilligant-Hisui
Ogerpon
Shiftry
Tsareena
Venusaur

Tier 4
Arboliva
Brambleghast
Iron Leaves
Jumpluff
Ludicolo
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Rotom-Mow
Scovillain
Toedscruel
Wo-Chien

Ground

Tier 1
Garchomp
Great Tusk
Landorus

Tier 2
Excadrill
Gastrodon
Hippowdon
Landorus-Therian
Mamoswine
Ting-Lu
Ursaluna
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

Tier 3
Gliscor
Sandy Shocks

Tier 4
Clodsire
Flygon
Iron Treads
Krookodile
Rhyperior
Swampert
Toedscruel

Ice

Tier 1
Chien-Pao
Iron Bundle
Ninetales-Alola

Tier 2
Kyurem
Baxcalibur

Tier 3
Articuno
Cetitan
Dewgong
Mamoswine

Tier 4
Cloyster
Froslass
Frosmoth
Glastrier
Lapras
Weavile

Normal

Tier 1
Indeedee-F
Ursaluna

Tier 2
Farigiraf
Maushold
Porygon2
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon

Tier 3
Meloetta
Smeargle
Staraptor
Zoroark-Hisui

Tier 4
Arboliva
Dudunsparce
Grafaiai
Indeedee
Oranguru
Porygon-Z
Regigigas
Snorlax

Poison

Tier 1
Amoonguss
Glimmora
Okidogi
Sneasler

Tier 2
Fezandipiti
Pecharunt

Tier 3
Dragalge
Iron Moth
Muk-Alola
Salazzle
Weezing-Galar

Tier 4
Gengar
Grafaiai
Overqwil
Qwilfish-Hisui
Slowking-Galar
Venomoth
Weezing

Psychic

Tier 1
Indeedee-F
Iron Crown
Mew

Tier 2
Gallade
Hatterene
Hoopa-Unbound
Metagross

Tier 3
Armarouge
Cresselia
Deoxys
Farigiraf
Iron Boulder
Latios
Necrozma
Scream Tail

Tier 4
Bronzong
Delphox
Deoxys-Speed
Espathra
Indeedee
Jirachi
Latias

Rock

Tier 1
Diancie
Glimmora
Ogerpon-Cornerstone

Tier 2
Arcanine-Hisui
Garganacl
Tyranitar

Tier 3
Iron Boulder
Kleavor
Terrakion

Tier 4
Rhyperior

Steel

Tier 1
Gholdengo
Heatran
Kingambit
Tinkaton

Tier 2
Archaludon

Tier 3
Bronzong
Cobalion
Corviknight
Goodra-Hisui
Iron Crown
Iron Treads
Perrserker
Metagross
Orthworm
Scizor

Tier 4
Empoleon
Jirachi
Klefki
Lucario

Water

Tier 1
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Pelipper
Urshifu-Rapid-Stike

Tier 2
Basculegion-F
Kingdra
Politoed
Primarina
Volcanion

Tier 3
Araquanid
Azumarill
Barraskewda
Blastoise
Gyarados
Keldeo
Ludicolo
Manaphy
Walking Wake

Tier 4
Dondozo
Empoleon
Milotic
Palafin
Rotom-Wash
Suicune
Tauros-Paldea-Aqua

 

[LogIce]

Reserved for Role compendium

 

[Molemitts]

Can you survive 5 turns in Ursaluna Normal Trick Room

Air balloon chandelure meta

 

[Fifty eyes]

Uh isn't dark quite broken with all four ruins and a screen setter with other good mons

 

[LogIce]

Uh isn't dark quite broken with all four ruins and a screen setter with other good mons

We expect dark to be a top type yes, we are keeping an eye on stuff to see if anything is bannable as the format develops

 

[Fifty eyes]

Thank you ( a lot of things are gonna have to be balanced as the format develops it seems )

 

[aeth]

Bug S tier right now if we ignore fire. GG go next.

 

[kiru]

Team Dump

https://pokepast.es/d374b479ad245768 - (Dark) - Hon07rial
https://pokepast.es/fd739b868c2b8009 (Dark) - Hon07rial

A few teams to start the metagame off before ban waves. Courtesy of Hon07rial, thank you

 

[LogIce]

Sample teams have been updated in the OP! Thank you to zoe and crow crumbs for helping grind these out over the course of the week and to everyone who has played the tier thus far.

The following teams were added:

Sample Teams

Bug Setup Hyper Offense by crow crumbs
Murkrow Dark Hyper Offense by LogIce :
Dark Balance by LogIce
Dragon Bulky Offense by crow crumbs
Electric Terrain Offense by crow crumbs
Fairy Hyper Offense by zoe
Fighting Coaching Offense by crow crumbs
Fire Sun Hyper Offense by LogIce
Flying Band Landorus-Therian by zoe
Ghost Toxic Spikes Balance by crow crumbs
Grass Wind Rider Offense by zoe
Ground Sand Balance by crow crumbs
Ice Veils Offense by LogIce
Normal Ursaluna Trick Room by LogIce
Poison Toxic Spikes Offense by LogIce
Psychic Coaching Offense by crow crumbs
Rock Hyper Offense by crow crumbs
Steel Balance by zoe
Water Rain Offense by LogIce

 

[Test Bots]

Sort of felt relevant, so I am reposting ND Doubles Monotype teams down below.

ND DOUBLES MONOTYPE SAMPLE TEAMS​

The purpose of this post is to give new players an easy access to teams and compete in roomtours. There are couple of things to note, though. Not all types are equally viable. Some monotype teams have plenty of tools in which will help them succeed in a Doubles metagame. Some are not as fortunate. Also, ND Monotype Doubles is not an official smogon metagame, so you will have to use the code provided below to enforce the rules for a roomtour. As more games are played, teams may come off or be added to the list. If you would like to contribute to the list, please message me through Discord (although you may do so on Smogon as well). Without further ado ~

Code for Roomtour

1. /tour new gen9nationaldexdoubles, elimination
2. /tour rules same type clause, terastal clause
3. /tour autostart 15
4. /tour name [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype Doubles

Fire


Ground

Rock


Steel
(by Terekusai)

Electric


Grass


Bug

Poison


Water


Ice


Psychic
(Note: Under discussions to ban expanding force.)

Ghost


Dark


Normal
(by Terekusai)

Fighting
(by LogIce)

Flying

(by LogIce)

Dragon
(by Terekusai)


Fairy

 

[Fangame10]

Mono ice gaming

 

[LogIce]

Monotype DOU is having its first kickoff tournament in the Momotype OM server, feel free to join!

https://discord.gg/hptBNS6cDy

https://discord.com/channels/1091449664953389056/1431770106521849958/1431770336248074274

 

[Test Bots]

Sadly, I'm out of the tour. I still like monotype doubles and will stick around to contribute to the metagame. I worked on several teams, some of which may look similar but may function differently. Ping me whenever I'm around PS or Discord. I'm dying for some games.

Fire


Electric


Bug


Water


Ice


Psychic


Dark


Fighting


Dragon


Fairy

 

[Test Bots]

Early metagame thoughts:

In monotype, not all types are equally viable. Some types have the advantage of field effects such as Weather or Terrain. As far as I'm concerned, field effect extending items aren't much of a concern. Setters such as Pincurchin and Ninetales would most likely use an item to remove themselves from the field so that 1) a more offensive mon can wreck havoc and 2) have more chances to set the weather in case of a terrain / weather war. Some types may also have better support whether that be through Fake Out, Redirection, or Speed Control. Note that I don't see the support moves ever being banned. Rather, I think the mon that is too good of a support is the one that should be banned.

Now, lets talk about what is actually already banned and should be banned asap. I noticed that we have already banned Sand Veil and Snow Cloak. I can only assume that this was done so due to the Evasion Abilities Clause, or the current council wanted to create a more competitively "fair" metagame. I'm leaning more towards the former, but if it is the latter, then we might as well remove all the "luck-based" items (King's Rock, Razor Fang, Bright Powder, Focus Band, and Quick Claw) that some of the other monotype metagames have already done. As a mainly Doubles player, I must admit that this route does seem absurd to me.

In the case of mons to ban, I think Urshifu should be banned immediately. First off, Urshifu is by definition a mon that breaks the fundamentals of doubles metagames. If you want to use Protect or switch out to another mon, then think again. Unfortunately, not every team can have a Bolt or one of these Grass types (Ogerpon-W, Amoonguss, or Sinistcha). What about Flutter Mane? It has been banned in SV Doubles and is very controversial in ND Doubles. In a neutral matchup, it can easily do enough damage to basically determine the outcome of a match. In my opinion, the metagame will have to revolve around Flutter Mane. It has perfect coverage, amazing stats, and versatile sets.

Finally, we come down to Expanding Force and Coaching. You may think the current metagame's best psychic terrain abusers would need some kind of speed advantage to spam expanding force. However, I can imagine that in a neutral matchup (not against steel or dark), you could just switch out Indeedee-F via Eject button and have two very fast mons (Ex. Iron Crown w/ Booster Energy + Sash Deoxys / Scarf mon) spamming expanding force at the same time. Unless you have Wide Guard, winning that matchup could be very difficult. I am leaning towards banning expanding force. In concerns to coaching, I don't think it warrants any action at the moment. Majority of the types seem to have a good mix of physical and special attackers. In my experience, all mons that abused coaching way too well actually got themselves banned, so I say ban the abusers instead of the move itself.

 

[kiru]

Team Dump

https://pokepast.es/d374b479ad245768 - (Dark) - Hon07rial
https://pokepast.es/fd739b868c2b8009 (Dark) - Hon07rial

A few teams to start the metagame off before ban waves. Courtesy of Honourial, thank you

sorry Hon07rial is the correct tag so so sorry

 

[LogIce]

Doubles Monotype now has a VR here! Thank you to crow crumbs ,NinjaSnapple , and zoe for assisting me with voting and crow crumbs for formatting the post

 

[not a very W D:]

I decided to read this today and, as a Politoed fan, I was super happy to see it in Tier 2 on Water in VR (ok maybe Pelipper is tier 1 but like whatever I don't really care if something good happened to Pelipper it shouldve happened to Politoed instead).

 

[LogIce]

Doubles Monotype council is conducting a player survey to gauge thoughts on possible tiering action and the metagame in general

The survey will be open till <t:1775879940:F>

respond below!

https://forms.gle/bcDpdPyat3X7GNrv7

Tagging MOMPL players to fill out Schister crow crumbs mightybofa K3ppr Hys NinjaSnapple pengu SeaLife qtfox

 

[LogIce]

Post-MOMPL Teamdump

Figured I'd post the teams I built this tour, as we are likely to see some tiering changes coming in the near future after survey results come out. I had a massive pricetag this tour and I was not very happy with my record, but that's just monotype sometimes.


Decided to go with dark for week 1, coming into the tour I thought it was going to be the most broken typing but I was very wrong. Despite Dark having all the tools it needs to be good, and a lot of top meta threats, it's very difficult to make a cohesive 6. Unfortunately loaded into rain webs water, which meant half of my team was useless and my only real way to break was kingambit which didn't turn out too well.


After week 1, I kinda figured out that Fairy balance is like the most broken archetype in the format so decided to build it out. Nothing too crazy on this build, earth power diancie is for the steel and ghost matchup because this team struggles heavily with Gholdengo.


Fairy version 2 for semis TB, unfortunately loaded into steel which was the one type I did not want to see. CM prim has the ability do win that matchup, but unfortunately I got max 3 turn slept and crit so didn't end up working out. I really liked this variant though, and I think it's a solid team.


Probably my favorite team of the tour, IDBP heatproof zong is a really good tool on psychic because you fry the dark matchup, and you also patch up psychic's weakness to fire which is an extremely difficult matchup because it gets overwhelmed by chi yu.


Was feeling really unmotivated in the builder so went with ice one of the weeks, team is like okay and not optimized. I don't think ice is very good.

Personal Typing VR

 

[K3ppr]

I'll also post some of my doubles teams from the tour, I think this tier is pretty fun and I enjoyed playing it but it's more subjected to random matchup losses that happened quite a lot this tournament compared to other mono tiers.


Week 1 I brought this team, still probably my favorite team I built this whole tour, unfortunately it loses to what everyone found were the top types later in the tour, but the gimmick is really cool imo, didn't quite work out in the game though, I didn't expect the scarf chi-yu which just ruined my sweep plans.

Through some testing week 2 I kinda figured Fairy was just the most broken type in the tier, Flutter Mane should probably be banned, and I almost wish I just loaded Fairy every week tbh. This version has enam who kinda sucks but helps band-aid the steel mu but it's probably more worth to accept that as an auto-loss and pray your opponent doesn't bring it because steel sucks against the majority of the other types.

This is a sick team I was going to bring week 3, unfortunately it performed very bad in testing but the idea is suicide lead drifblim leading into a sweep attempt with FM/Ghold, along with imprison sinistcha for trick room teams.

This is the actual team that I brought which led to my favorite game of the tournament. There were a few super cool games that happened, and unfortunately a decent amount of unwinnable matchup stomps. I tried bringing a variant of this team with mixed speed and Hatt and Rabsca week 5 which did well in tests, but got obliterated by ada Gouger.

There are a few other cool teams I built that I never ended up bringing:

This is a more offensive take on a fairy team, Specs flutter mane with a speed boost with helping hand support seemed pretty good to me.

I actually think outside of the main 5 all of the other pokemon to me looked like frauds who don't actually help with any other matchups, they're just kin of win-more but Probopass can do some funny stuff. Unlike normal monotype, Rock is actually a decently viable type.

One of Grass's few advantages is it actually has a decent matchup into Fairy, and I'd say is not horrible other than just a general lack of power that, like most types, means it loses to around half of the existing types.

Shoutout qtfox for helping me test throughout the tournament, unfortunate that you couldn't win your doubles game but I might've very well gone 0-X without someone solid to test with. Also shoutout the Mono Doubles council, the resources here helped me a lot with teambuilding and just getting acclimated to the tier. Hope to see some more tournaments of some sort with this tier!