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DOU Doubles Monotype Megathread

LogIce

LogIce

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Doubles Monotype​
What is Doubles Monotype?
Doubles Monotype is exactly what it sounds like, combining the metagame of Doubles OU and the nuances of monotype into one format. This thread will serve as the primary thread for resources and discussion for the format.

Doubles Monotype Council:
:arcanine-hisui: crow crumbs :arcanine-hisui:
:honchkrow: LogIce :Honchkrow:
:clobbopus: zoe :clobbopus:

Players cannot use the following Pokémon:
  • Annihilape
  • Arceus (all formes)
  • Basculegion
  • Calyrex-Ice
  • Calyrex-Shadow
  • Darkrai
  • Deoxys-Attack
  • Dialga
  • Dialga-Origin
  • Eternatus
  • Giratina
  • Giratina-Origin
  • Groudon
  • Ho-Oh
  • Koraidon
  • Kyogre
  • Kyurem-Black
  • Kyurem-White
  • Lugia
  • Lunala
  • Magearna
  • Mewtwo
  • Miraidon
  • Necrozma-Dawn Wings
  • Necrozma-Dusk Mane
  • Palkia
  • Palkia-Origin
  • Rayquaza
  • Reshiram
  • Solgaleo
  • Urshifu
  • Zacian
  • Zacian-Crowned
  • Zamazenta
  • Zamazenta-Crowned
  • Zekrom
Players cannot use the following abilities:
  • Commander
  • Sand Veil
  • Shadow Tag
  • Snow Cloak

Current Watchlist:
The following moves and Pokemon are being closely watched by the council for potential tiering action.
  • Expanding Force
  • Coaching
  • Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
The following clauses are in effect:
  • Endless Battle Clause: Players cannot use any moveset on any Pokémon capable of intentionally causing an endless battle. Thus:
    • A Pokémon may not carry Recycle and hold a Leppa Berry in conjunction with Heal Pulse and Milk Drink, Moonlight, Morning Sun, Recover, Roost, Slack Off, Soft-Boiled, or Wish.
    • A Pokémon may not hold a Leppa Berry while carrying Recycle and Pain Split.
    • A Pokémon may not hold a Leppa Berry while carrying Recycle and Fling
  • Evasion Moves Clause: Players cannot use the moves Double Team or Minimize.
  • Evasion Abilities Clause: Players cannot use the abilities Snow Cloak or Sand Veil.
  • OHKO Clause: Players cannot use the moves Fissure, Guillotine, Horn Drill, or Sheer Cold.
  • Species Clause: Players cannot have two Pokémon with the same Pokédex number on the same team.
  • Gravity Sleep Clause: Sleep moves with below one hundred percent accuracy may not be used in conjunction with Gravity.
  • Terastral Clause: Pokemon may not Terastallize.
Bug Setup Hyper Offense by crow crumbs :volcarona: :Vivillon: :scizor: :lokix: :kleavor: :slither wing:
Murkrow Dark Hyper Offense by LogIce : :chien-pao: :chi-yu: :murkrow: :kingambit: :ting-lu: :grimmsnarl:
Dark Balance by LogIce :chien-pao: :chi-yu: :brute bonnet: :kingambit: :ting-lu: :Roaring Moon:
Dragon Bulky Offense by crow crumbs :roaring moon: :regidrago: :kyurem: :archaludon: :dragonite: :goodra-hisui:
Electric Terrain Offense by crow crumbs :zapdos: :iron hands: :raging bolt: :pincurchin: :rotom-wash: :thundurus:
Fairy Hyper Offense by zoe :flutter mane: :iron valiant: :whimsicott: :tinkaton: :primarina: :enamorus:
Fighting Coaching Offense by crow crumbs :urshifu-rapid-strike: :iron hands: :okidogi: :scrafty: :zapdos-galar: :iron valiant:
Fire Sun Hyper Offense by LogIce :ogerpon-hearthflame: :talonflame: :chi-yu: :Incineroar: :ninetales: :gouging fire:
Flying Band Landorus-Therian by zoe :thundurus: :enamorus: :landorus-therian: :iron jugulis: :moltres: :dragonite:
Ghost Toxic Spikes Balance by crow crumbs :flutter mane: :gholdengo: :basculegion-f: :gengar: :sinistcha: :sableye:
Grass Wind Rider Offense by zoe :brambleghast: :shiftry: :shaymin-sky: :Whimsicott: :ogerpon-cornerstone: :rillaboom:
Ground Sand Balance by crow crumbs :hippowdon: :excadrill: :landorus-therian: :ursaluna-bloodmoon: :gliscor: :ting-lu:
Ice Veils Offense by LogIce :ninetales-alola: :kyurem: :mamoswine: :iron bundle: :weavile: :baxcalibur:
Normal Ursaluna Trick Room by LogIce :farigiraf: :indeedee-f: :ursaluna: :smeargle: :porygon2: :maushold:
Poison Toxic Spikes Offense by LogIce :sneasler: :amoonguss: :iron moth: :fezandipiti: :weezing: :overqwil:
Psychic Coaching Offense by crow crumbs :gallade: :indeedee-f: :iron boulder: :iron crown: :hatterene: :mew:
Rock Hyper Offense by crow crumbs :glimmora: :diancie: :tyranitar: :terrakion: :ogerpon-cornerstone: :kleavor:
Steel Balance by zoe :orthworm: :bronzong: :gholdengo: :heatran: :perrserker: :kingambit:
Water Rain Offense by LogIce :iron bundle: :Ogerpon-wellspring: :pelipper: :basculegion-f: :kingdra: :blastoise:

Challenge Code:
Code: 
 /chall gen9doublesou @@@ sametypeclause, terastalclause, +terapagos, +archaludon, +flutter mane, +Urshifu-Rapid-Strike
 
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Sample teams have been updated in the OP! Thank you to zoe and crow crumbs for helping grind these out over the course of the week and to everyone who has played the tier thus far.

The following teams were added:
Bug Setup Hyper Offense by crow crumbs :volcarona: :Vivillon: :scizor: :lokix: :kleavor: :slither wing:
Murkrow Dark Hyper Offense by LogIce : :chien-pao: :chi-yu: :murkrow: :kingambit: :ting-lu: :grimmsnarl:
Dark Balance by LogIce :chien-pao: :chi-yu: :brute bonnet: :kingambit: :ting-lu: :Roaring Moon:
Dragon Bulky Offense by crow crumbs :roaring moon: :regidrago: :kyurem: :archaludon: :dragonite: :goodra-hisui:
Electric Terrain Offense by crow crumbs :zapdos: :iron hands: :raging bolt: :pincurchin: :rotom-wash: :thundurus:
Fairy Hyper Offense by zoe :flutter mane: :iron valiant: :whimsicott: :tinkaton: :primarina: :enamorus:
Fighting Coaching Offense by crow crumbs :urshifu-rapid-strike: :iron hands: :okidogi: :scrafty: :zapdos-galar: :iron valiant:
Fire Sun Hyper Offense by LogIce :ogerpon-hearthflame: :talonflame: :chi-yu: :Incineroar: :ninetales: :gouging fire:
Flying Band Landorus-Therian by zoe :thundurus: :enamorus: :landorus-therian: :iron jugulis: :moltres: :dragonite:
Ghost Toxic Spikes Balance by crow crumbs :flutter mane: :gholdengo: :basculegion-f: :gengar: :sinistcha: :sableye:
Grass Wind Rider Offense by zoe :brambleghast: :shiftry: :shaymin-sky: :Whimsicott: :ogerpon-cornerstone: :rillaboom:
Ground Sand Balance by crow crumbs :hippowdon: :excadrill: :landorus-therian: :ursaluna-bloodmoon: :gliscor: :ting-lu:
Ice Veils Offense by LogIce :ninetales-alola: :kyurem: :mamoswine: :iron bundle: :weavile: :baxcalibur:
Normal Ursaluna Trick Room by LogIce :farigiraf: :indeedee-f: :ursaluna: :smeargle: :porygon2: :maushold:
Poison Toxic Spikes Offense by LogIce :sneasler: :amoonguss: :iron moth: :fezandipiti: :weezing: :overqwil:
Psychic Coaching Offense by crow crumbs :gallade: :indeedee-f: :iron boulder: :iron crown: :hatterene: :mew:
Rock Hyper Offense by crow crumbs :glimmora: :diancie: :tyranitar: :terrakion: :ogerpon-cornerstone: :kleavor:
Steel Balance by zoe :orthworm: :bronzong: :gholdengo: :heatran: :perrserker: :kingambit:
Water Rain Offense by LogIce :iron bundle: :Ogerpon-wellspring: :pelipper: :basculegion-f: :kingdra: :blastoise:
 
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Sort of felt relevant, so I am reposting ND Doubles Monotype teams down below.


ND DOUBLES MONOTYPE SAMPLE TEAMS​

The purpose of this post is to give new players an easy access to teams and compete in roomtours. There are couple of things to note, though. Not all types are equally viable. Some monotype teams have plenty of tools in which will help them succeed in a Doubles metagame. Some are not as fortunate. Also, ND Monotype Doubles is not an official smogon metagame, so you will have to use the code provided below to enforce the rules for a roomtour. As more games are played, teams may come off or be added to the list. If you would like to contribute to the list, please message me through Discord (although you may do so on Smogon as well). Without further ado ~

  1. /tour new gen9nationaldexdoubles, elimination
  2. /tour rules same type clause, terastal clause
  3. /tour autostart 15
  4. /tour name [Gen 9] National Dex Monotype Doubles


Fire
:Charizard-Mega-Y::Chi-Yu::Gouging Fire::Volcanion::Incineroar::Ogerpon-Hearthflame:

Ground

Rock
:Aerodactyl-Mega::Nihilego::Arcanine-Hisui::Diancie::Ogerpon-Cornerstone::Iron Boulder:

Steel
:Mawile-Mega::Kartana::Kingambit::Jirachi::Gholdengo::Heatran: (by Terekusai)

Electric
:Tapu Koko::Regieleki::Rotom-Wash::Raging Bolt::Zapdos::Iron Hands:

Grass
:Venusaur-Mega::Sinistcha::Kartana::Rillaboom::Meowscarada::Ogerpon-Cornerstone:

Bug

Poison
:Venusaur-Mega::Glimmora::Naganadel::Qwilfish-Hisui::Iron Moth::Sneasler:

Water
:Swampert-Mega::Pelipper::Dracovish::Tapu Fini::Ludicolo::Basculegion:

Ice
:Ninetales-Alola::Iron Bundle::Kyurem-Black::Darmanitan-Galar::Dewgong::Chien-Pao:

Psychic
(Note: Under discussions to ban expanding force.)

Ghost
:Marshadow::Flutter mane::Gholdengo::Sinistcha::Basculegion::Drifblim:

Dark
:Tyranitar-Mega::Grimmsnarl::Kingambit::Roaring Moon::Chi-Yu::Chien-Pao:

Normal
:Kangaskhan-Mega::Porygon2::Ursaluna-Bloodmoon::Meloetta::Maushold-Four::Zoroark-Hisui:(by Terekusai)

Fighting
:Lucario-Mega::Iron Hands::Marshadow::Iron Valiant::Zapdos-Galar::Sneasler: (by LogIce)

Flying
:Salamence-Mega::Togekiss::Zapdos::Dragonite::Tornadus::Landorus-Therian:
:Charizard-Mega-Y::Moltres-Galar::Thundurus-Therian::Dragonite::Tornadus::landorus:(by LogIce)

Dragon
:Salamence-Mega::Naganadel::Garchomp::Raging Bolt::Gouging Fire::Kyurem-Black: (by Terekusai)
:Salamence-Mega::Kommo-o::Regidrago::Dragonite::Dragapult::Archaludon:

Fairy
:Gardevoir-Mega::FLutter Mane::Tinkaton::Diancie::Togekiss::Tapu Fini:
 
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Early metagame thoughts:

In monotype, not all types are equally viable. Some types have the advantage of field effects such as Weather or Terrain. As far as I'm concerned, field effect extending items aren't much of a concern. Setters such as Pincurchin and Ninetales would most likely use an item to remove themselves from the field so that 1) a more offensive mon can wreck havoc and 2) have more chances to set the weather in case of a terrain / weather war. Some types may also have better support whether that be through Fake Out, Redirection, or Speed Control. Note that I don't see the support moves ever being banned. Rather, I think the mon that is too good of a support is the one that should be banned.

Now, lets talk about what is actually already banned and should be banned asap. I noticed that we have already banned Sand Veil and Snow Cloak. I can only assume that this was done so due to the Evasion Abilities Clause, or the current council wanted to create a more competitively "fair" metagame. I'm leaning more towards the former, but if it is the latter, then we might as well remove all the "luck-based" items (King's Rock, Razor Fang, Bright Powder, Focus Band, and Quick Claw) that some of the other monotype metagames have already done. As a mainly Doubles player, I must admit that this route does seem absurd to me.

In the case of mons to ban, I think Urshifu should be banned immediately. First off, Urshifu is by definition a mon that breaks the fundamentals of doubles metagames. If you want to use Protect or switch out to another mon, then think again. Unfortunately, not every team can have a Bolt or one of these Grass types (Ogerpon-W, Amoonguss, or Sinistcha). What about Flutter Mane? It has been banned in SV Doubles and is very controversial in ND Doubles. In a neutral matchup, it can easily do enough damage to basically determine the outcome of a match. In my opinion, the metagame will have to revolve around Flutter Mane. It has perfect coverage, amazing stats, and versatile sets.

Finally, we come down to Expanding Force and Coaching. You may think the current metagame's best psychic terrain abusers would need some kind of speed advantage to spam expanding force. However, I can imagine that in a neutral matchup (not against steel or dark), you could just switch out Indeedee-F via Eject button and have two very fast mons (Ex. Iron Crown w/ Booster Energy + Sash Deoxys / Scarf mon) spamming expanding force at the same time. Unless you have Wide Guard, winning that matchup could be very difficult. I am leaning towards banning expanding force. In concerns to coaching, I don't think it warrants any action at the moment. Majority of the types seem to have a good mix of physical and special attackers. In my experience, all mons that abused coaching way too well actually got themselves banned, so I say ban the abusers instead of the move itself.
 
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