DPP Cresselia

MetaNite

MetaNite

is a Team Rater Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/cresselia

I decided to post this after seeing a thread in Stark where a team using this has gone undefeated. I tested it quite a bit and it is very good, very similiar to Uxie but Lunar Dance is what warrants its own set. And better defenses.

[SET]
name: Dual Screen
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Lunar Dance
move 4: Thunder Wave / Ice Beam / Psychic
item: Light Clay
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 44 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Cresselia is really lacking in the attacking department, and is set up fodder for many Pokemon. This set turns the tables by setting up on your opponent. Cresselia possesses the greatest dual defenses of any Psychic-type outside of Lugia, allowing her to utilize dual screen effectively.</p>

<p>The strategy with Cresselia is mostly the same as it has always been; come in on a foe that can't do much damage to you and set up on the switch in. However, Cresselia can use Thunder Wave to great success. If you can hit your counter with it, then it'll be slower than you, pretty much guaranteeing you'll get up both screens seeing as how no unboosted attack can OHKO Cresselia when she is behind the appropriate screen. Ice Beam is another option over Thunder Wave because it hits one of the most popular Taunt users, Gliscor, for super effective damage and if Cresselia does get Taunted, it won't be a sitting duck. Psychic is another attacking option for Cressalia and makes it one of the best counters to Infernape and Lucario, but even with STAB, don't expect it to do a lot of damage. Unlike any other Pokemon, Cressalia learns the move Lunar Dance, which is her signature move. Once you are done setting up, she can sacrifice herself to bring in a Pokemon fully healed Pokemon. Lucario is a good choice for this, because he resists the attacks that Cressalia fears: Dark, Bug, and Ghost. This gives you two chances to sweep your opponent, hopefully when its counter has been knocked out or significantly weakened.</p>

<p>The EVs are rather specific: Choice Band Tyranitar nor Choice Specs Gengar can 2HKO you while you are behind a Reflect or Light Screen, respectively. 152 EVs in Speed lets you outpace Jolly Tyranitar and Adamant Scizor, but maxing Speed may be helpful to outspeed Heracross and the like. Light Clay is the preferred option so your dual screens remain for the full 8 turns.</p>
 
MetaNite said:
I decided to post this after seeing a thread in Stark where a team using this has gone undefeated. I tested it quite a bit and it is very good, very similiar to Uxie but Lunar Dance is what warrants its own set. And better defenses.

[SET]
name: Dual Screen
move 1: Reflect
move 2: Light Screen
move 3: Lunar Dance
move 4: Thunder Wave / Ice Beam
item: Light Clay
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 60 SpD / 152 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Cresselia is really lacking in the attacking department, and is set up fodder for many Pokemon. This set turns the tables by setting up on your opponent. Cresselia possesses the greatest dual defenses of any Psychic-type outside of Lugia, allowing her to utilize Dual Screen effectively.</p>

<p>The strategy with Cresselia is mostly the same as it has always been; come in on a foe that can't do much damage to you and set up on the switch in. However, Cresselia can use Thunder Wave to great success. If you can hit your counter with it, then it'll be slower than you, pretty much guaranteeing you'll get up both screens seeing as how no unboosted attack can OHKO Cresselia when she is behind the appropriate screen. Ice Beam is another option over Thunder Wave because it hits one of the most popular Taunt users, Gliscor, for super effective damage and if Cresselia does get Taunted, it won't be a sitting duck. Unlike any other Pokemon, Cresselia learns the move Lunar Dance, which is her signature move. Once you are done setting up, she can sacrifice herself to bring in a fully healed Pokemon. Lucario is a good choice for this, because he resists the attacks that Cressalia fears: Dark, Bug, and Ghost. This gives you two chances to sweep your opponent, hopefully when its counter has been knocked out or significantly weakened.</p>

<p>The EVs are rather specific: Choice Band Tyranitar nor Choice Specs Gengar can 2HKO you while you are behind a Reflect or Light Screen with their respective super effective moves. They fail to OHKO if you are not behind a screen, too. 152 EVs in Speed lets you outpace Jolly Tyranitar and Adamant Scizor. Light Clay is the preferred option so your dual screens remain for the full 8 turns.</p>
Click to expand...
 
You should mention if Cresselia can OHKO Gliscor with one Ice Beam or some other types of dragons. It'll be helpful to know that if you don't invest in any SpA EVs you can dent DD Salamence or a banded Flygon.
 
I'll have to play around with this set for a bit before formally commenting since I'm not sure what I think of this yet. However, you might want to move a few EVs over to Defense to assure that T-Tar's CB Crunch can't 2HKO with sandstorm (there is an ever-so-slight chance) (you need a min of 318 Def to guarantee it doesn't).
 
Fuzznip said:
You should mention if Cresselia can OHKO Gliscor with one Ice Beam or some other types of dragons. It'll be helpful to know that if you don't invest in any SpA EVs you can dent DD Salamence or a banded Flygon.
Click to expand...

You have a small chance to OHKO max HP Gliscor, and Mence after Rock damage but I don't think it needs to be mentioned. Both are obvious 2HKOes and Gliscor can't do anything at all to you, except Taunt you. Mence won't do much either, seeing as Ice Beam will end any chance of sweeping. It is pretty apparant that neither can beat Cressalia.

Caelum said:
I'll have to play around with this set for a bit before formally commenting since I'm not sure what I think of this yet. However, you might want to move a few EVs over to Defense to assure that T-Tar's CB Crunch can't 2HKO with sandstorm (there is an ever-so-slight chance) (you need a min of 318 Def to guarantee it doesn't).
Click to expand...

You reach 444 HP and 320 Def if I'm correct. I subtracted 44 from 252, then divided that by four to get 52. Then I subtracted that from Cressalia's max Def which is 372 to get 320.

EDIT: Caelum, you are correct. I switched the defense EVs. Gengar now has a 0.99% to 2HKO with Stealth Rock, which is pretty much never. I can re-word it though?
 
44 Defense EVs with Bold gives you 315. You may have meant the 60 SpD EVs to be Defense if you aimed for 320 because that gives you 320.

See:
Stat = (((2 * BaseStat + IV + (EV / 4)) * Level / 100 + 5) * Nature)
Stat = (((2 * 120 + 31 + (44 / 4)) * 100/ 100 + 5) * 1.1) = 315.7 ~315 stat.

Whereas 60 EVs

Stat=(((2 * 120 + 31 + (60 / 4)) * 100 / 100 + 5) * 1.1) = 320.1 ~ 320 stat
 
Cresselia Analysis said:
Cresselia is one of the few Pokemon who can directly take Salamence on, so Ice Beam is a standard attack. Even with Cresselia's inept offensive capabilities she is still able to OHKO 4 HP / 0 SpD Salamence with Ice Beam after Stealth Rock damage, while Salamence only has a small chance to 2HKO with a Life Orb boosted Outrage with Stealth Rock and Leftovers factored in. It also means Cresselia is pretty certain to OHKO Salamence that may have taken 20% damage from two Life Orb attacks.
Click to expand...

So it isn't nessecary to include that it can beat Salamence and Gliscor with Ice Beam besides the fact that it's obvious.

<p>The EVs are rather specific: Choice Band Tyranitar nor Choice Specs Gengar can 2HKO you while you are behind a Reflect or Light Screen, respectively. 152 EVs in Speed lets you outpace Jolly Tyranitar and Adamant Scizor. Light Clay is the preferred option so your dual screens remain for the full 8 turns.</p>
Click to expand...

I rearanged the word
 
Good to see that my team has some influence going for it. :)

Although filler, i personally used Psychic on the last slot simply because it allows this Cresselia to counter several physical threats such as Lucario and Infernape. Of course the last option varies on what loopholes you want Cresselia to cover for your team.
 
Unlike weak Caelum I have playtested this as well and its utility is pretty great.

As stated, Cresselia comes in on very useful Ground / Fighting immunity / resist, sets up a screen early game to help a sweep and then Lunar Dances late game.

I did do something different than what Caelum and company are suggesting though; I MAXED speed and hp.

This usually ensured that I got what I needed from Cresselia.

Also I would recommend at least slashing Psychic; Cresselia is still a solid Infernape check ^_^
 
MetaNite, follow up on your peer edits. I've seen you posting in others, you should prioritize yours first, however.

Let's get more discussion on this so we can get some Dual Screen, Lunar Dance Cresselia on site. This set is very effective.

Again, I recommend maximum Speed, but that can just be mentioned in the set description.
 
I agree with Aldaron about mentioning max Speed in the set comments.

I don't think 'Dual Screen' should be capitalized in the opening paragraph, as I feel that you're technically not referring to the set name.

You should've edited in all of Katherine's changes.

It's 'super effective', not 'super-effective'.

Once you are done setting up, she can sacrifice herself to bring in a Pokemon fully healed sweeper.
Click to expand...
This bit didn't make sense, Katherine's fix did though so use that (since it doesn't have to be a full on sweeper you bring in).

Make these changes and I'll upload this to the site later.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top