DPP Gengar

[Caelum]

I can't fix some of these myself since I don't know what you were trying to say in parts otherwise I would.

It also 2HKOes standard Snorlax

359 SpA Life Orb Focus Blast vs. 503 HP / 342 SpD Snorlax: 46.92% - 55.27%

That just barely 2HKOes on average and only 2HKOes 10% of the time with Leftovers. Unless you have a different standard spread ...

40 Atk EVs and a Hasty nature are recommended when using Explosion, allowing Gengar to OHKO standard Blissey after Stealth Rock.

Considering that a decent amount of Blissey run Protect (27.1% to be exact) I'd like the set comments to mention that along with that 188 Attack (92 Atk EVs) are required to OHKO Blissey with Explosion after Stealth Rock and 1 turn of Leftovers recovery. Also, with something like Blissey you need to be more specific about what "standard" is, I don't really know what standard Blissey is if I'm reading this.

53.08% - 62.46% to 252 HP / 252 Bold Blissey, both a 2HKO even when factoring in Leftovers recovery.

Make a note about how Bold Blissey can avoid the 2HKO with Protect. Also, how does Focus Punch deal with Blissey? If Gengar subs on the switch, Blissey breaks the Sub and Gengar is forced to switch. If it Focus Punches on the switch in, Blissey just Ice Beams making Gengar useless? So the 2HKO is rather irrelevant actually. Blissey needs a bit of residual damage before this works - need to expand on that.

Focus Punch also deals 61.61% - 72.76% to min HP Heatran

It actually deals 62.23% - 73.37% if you want to be technical about it.

Having no Leftovers is also a non-issue since Gengar rarely will be in battle long enough in order to spend four Substitutes, as it switches in using its immunities and almost always grants a switch to one of its standard counters.</p>

This doesn't make any sense, what does not having leftovers have anything to do with switching in on its immunities and the opponent going to a counter.

<p>Mean Look can trap an opponent so you can Explode on them and Perish Song can phaze opponents. However, don't be tempted to use both Mean Look and Perish Song together, as Mismagius' superior defenses generally make it a better option for that strategy unless you really need the extra Speed.

You use PerishTrap Gengar for Hypnosis.

<p>Blissey does fine against most sets, paralyzing with Thunder Wave and wearing Gengar down with whichever special attack (Ice Beam, Flamethrower, Thunderbolt) she happens to carry. Snorlax with Crunch does a fine job, especially Sleep Talk versions as they can absorb Hypnosis. Snorlax can also put the hurt on Gengar by packing Pursuit. Beware of Focus Punch, Focus Blast, and Explosion though.

Needs a mention of Trick.

Even without a boost, Fire Blast will OHKO most Gengar.</p>

Actually, min HP / min SpD Gengar is only OHKOed by a Heatran's Fire Blast 66% of the time so might want to change that.

 

[diinbong]

Actually, another great reason to use Perish trap Gengar over Missy is that Gengar lures in Blissey.

 

[Stellar]

I'll fix all this on the weekend. I assumed that most of what was written by maniac was correct so I'll double check everything again as well as the damage calc on Heatran and the other miscellaneous errors.

 

[Mekkah]

Azelf, Tyranitar, Gyarados (including bulky varieties), and Salamence will all fall in one hit to their corresponding moves if they lack significant defensive investment.

Or the resist berries (probably most notable on Gyarados and Salamence)

<p>Gengar has Energy Ball to hammer Swampert and Rhyperior, if either is a problem for your team.

And Giga Drain. I don't know if that misses any significant KOs (it may be more shaky against Cursepert), but PP isn't an issue, but regaining health is a bonus (even if it's just the SR damage).

 

[joshe]

on the choice gengar set you should say something in the set comments about using trick over thunderbolt, as it is a very good option for it. Just a suggestion.

 

[twash]

Stellar if you don't want to do this any more (I'm not sure if you do or don't), just say so I can sort it out over the next day.

 

[Stellar]

Yeah Twash you can finish this up.

 

[darkie]

anyone working on this?

edit: ALRIGHT!

 

[twash]

Jimbo said he wanted something to do and I let him take over this just after I originally did, which he accepted.

If it isn't done soon (as in while I sleep and go to school), I'll finish it up tomorrow. :)

 

[kd24]

Do you think the Focus Sash Counter Lead still has any room in todays metagame? It was quite effective before Platinum and I recently faced one of these leads and was still surprised to see its effectiveness. Obvious problems are Azelf, Jirachi, ect. everywhere though :/.


Since I am somewhat sceptical of it already, I still think it deserves a chance to be on and if you think it should maybe be considered Twash (or whoever is working on it), I will gladly test it in my spare time.

 

[cim]

No, it's basically trading one Pokémon for another considering how common Tyranitar lead is. Any lead that SRs on Gengar becomes aware of the surprise, Jirachi still beats it, etc. It's the definition of Other Options.

 

[Jimbo]

Twash back off :P Yea I should be able to finish this up by tomorrow and I'll upload it/edit this post when I do. Sorry I took so long!' Edit: Uploaded. @ Flashstorm - I'll see what other people have to say about that as I haven't tried Sub gengar. I can add it in later though (or darkie?)

 

[Flashstorm1]

Is the Substitute set running Focus Blast over Focus Punch still up for consideration? I've been using it on my teams as of late and I am definitely one to vouch for how effective the set can be when played right. The only problem with the set is when your Focus Blast misses against something like Lucario or Tyranitar, which makes me extremely upset.