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Okay, I changed a few things here:
-I removed the Choice Band Kyogre set, its not only a bad set, but Kyogre already has plenty of ways to scare Blissey.
- I changed the name of the "Offensive Ogre" set to "Versatile Ogre" and added Toxic as an option. I found success with Toxic, and Versatile Ogre seems to suit the point of the set better.
-I removed Hydro Pump from the sleep talk set.

Special thanks to jumpluff for fixing most of my crappy spelling and grammar!
[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Choice Specs
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Choice Specs Kyogre is absurdly deadly; a Timid Water Spout deals 54-64% to 252 SpD Calm Blissey, a guaranteed 2HKO, something that most special attackers cannot boast about. With Choice Specs, Ice Beam deals massive damage to Latias and Latios, and Thunder becomes capable of OHKOing an opposing Kyogre. Palkia will actually hesitate to switch in to this, since a Thunder from a Timid Choice Specs Kyogre does 58% minimum to a 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia, and the paralysis chance is always threatening.</p>

<p> The choice of nature depends on your preference. Timid lets Kyogre outspeed other Kyogre, Groudon, most Dialga, some Palkia, and Lugia. Modest will always 2HKO Blissey with Water Spout, and it lets you OHKO Lugia a bit more often, too. It can also 2HKO the standard Latias, who is one of Kyogre's only true counters, with Stealth Rock in play.</p>

<p> If you are running a Modest nature, it is advised to use an alternate EV spread of 240 HP / 244 Special Attack / 24 Speed. Kyogre is one of the slowest Ubers (not counting Wobbuffet), and Speed does not help it much. 24 Speed here allows it to outrun Tyranitar and possibly some other base 90 Speed Ubers (Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga, Giratina, Deoxys-D, Ho-oh) that don't pump their Speed.</p>

<p>When using Choice Specs Kyogre, it is often a good idea to use Ice Beam before any other attack if you do not know the opponent's whole team. This is because the two most common Kyogre switch ins, Palkia and Latias, are both 2HKOed by Ice Beam if they have taken damage from Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Choice Specs Kyogre will have problems sweeping with Water Spout if Palkia and Latias are still around, and additionally, Quagsire can wall it thanks to Water Absorb and its Ground typing. Finally, a specially defensive Ludicolo is arguably the only true Choice Specs Kyogre counter, as it can stall out Thunders thanks to Protect, Rain Dish, and Leech Seed. Choice Band Tyranitar with 56 Attack EVs can easily take care of Latias, as Pursuit will 2HKO it if it doesn’t switch out, and Crunch will easily OHKO Latias. Be warned that if Latias is carying Grass Knot, the standard Careful 252 HP / 200 SpD Tyranitar has a 80% chance of being 2HKOed after taking damage from Stealth Rock. Scizor can work in a similar manner if Latias lacks Thunder, thanks to a Pursuit of its own and STAB U-turn. A specially defensive Scizor also has the bonus ability to switch into a defensive Ludicolo's Grass Knot and threaten it with U-turn. Quagsire poses no threat to Scizor as well. Finally, Palkia can be dealt with by switching Garchomp into its Thunder. Be careful, as some Palkia may opt to use a Dragon move instead, which will OHKO Garchomp. A defensive Dialga can work in a similar manner, and Dialga will survive Palkia's Dragon-type assaults (unless Palkia has Choice Specs). Thanks to Blissey's massive Special Defense and HP, she can work well with Choice Specs Kyogre, as she can switch into Latias's and Palkia's powerful Special Attacks and wall them (be careful with Palkia, however, as some of them are mixed). Giratina-O complements Choice Specs Kyogre very well offensively and defensively. When facing most stall teams, their only hope against Giratina-O is Latias. If Giratina-O has set up one Calm Mind, it can OHKO Latias after it switches into Stealth Rock, while Latias will be unable to KO Giratina-O. With Latias down, Choice Specs Kyogre can devastate the stall team, as Latias is often their only hope aganst Choice Specs Kyogre. Giratina-O also sports a resistance to Electric and Grass moves, and thus can set up on these moves if they are Choiced.</p>

<p> Although Groudon most certainly cannot switch into Choice Specs Kyogre's powerful Water and Ice-type attacks, it can switch into Kyogre's Thunder, use Rock Polish on the switch, and attempt to sweep. Because of this, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S makes an excellent offensive teammate for Kyogre, as it can outspeed an Adamant Groudon after it has used Rock Polish once and will OHKO it with a STAB Seed Flare. Garchomp can utilize a similar tactic when switching into Thunders, but dealing with Garchomp can be much trickier, as Garchomp commonly holds Choice items of its own, allowing it to often hurt your switch-in badly. Skarmory can be used as a way to ward off Garchomp, as it is immune to Garchomp's Earthquake, resists Outrage, and will be able to withstand Fire attacks more easily thanks to Kyogre's rain. Bronzong also works in a similar manner. Both Skarmory and Bronzong can beat Groudon that lack Fire Punch, as they can set up entry hazards, and Bronzong can 3HKO Groudon with Grass Knot. Something important to note is that once Kyogre is at 75% of its health, Special Defensive Dialga can surive and outstall Kyogre's Water Spouts via Pressure and Rest (though Dialga is still 3HKOed by Surf). Because of this, a Groudon can be a useful teammate for Kyogre, as most Special Defensive Dialga will have Bulk Up; thus they will have trouble beating Support Groudon while Groudon will inflict severe damage on Dialga with STAB Earthquakes.</p>



[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Kyogre is most often seen as a hit and run Pokémon, setting up the rain as it enters into the battle. With Choice Scarf boosting its mediocre Speed, and the rain boosting Water Spout's already gargantuan base power, Kyogre becomes a deadly revenge killer. Water Spout is pure power; it can easily destroy Mewtwo and Darkrai in one hit assuming Kyogre is at full health. When one wants to conserve the abysmal PP of Water Spout, or if Kyogre's HP is too low to abuse Water Spout, it can fall back onto Surf or Hydro Pump for STAB. Surf is more reliable, but Hydro Pump OHKOes Mewtwo and Metagross. The other two attacks are used to cover what the Water attacks don't. Thunder 3HKOs Palkia and will 2HKO opposing Kyogre, while Ice Beam OHKOes Rayquaza, Garchomp, and Shaymin-S.</p>

<p>Be careful not to constantly switch Kyogre into attacks, as even the smallest shots can decrease Water Spout's power. Sadly, however, there is no way to avoid taking damage from Stealth Rock, Spikes, or Toxic Spikes, unless you use a Rapid Spinner, which may not even get to Spin due to the presence of Giratina. Kyogre needs to be at 80% health or higher to keep Water Spout more powerful than Hydro Pump, or 64%+ health to keep it stronger than Surf.</p>

<p>Waterfall and Aqua Tail are options on this set to severely dent Blissey. Kyogre needs 180 Attack EVs with either a Mild or Rash nature to guarantee a 2HKO on Blissey with Aqua Tail. Waterfall won't 2HKO, but its chance of flinch will keep Blissey away from it.</p>

<p>You have two options for the nature here (assuming you don't use a physical Water move): Modest or Timid. Modest gives Kyogre extra power, but Timid is often the better choice because it allows Kyogre to outrun Naive / Hasty Deoxys-A, Adamant Dragon Danced Rayquaza, and other Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre. It all depends on what you desire for the team.</p>

<p>In addition to the problems Choice Specs Kyogre has with Palkia, Latias, and Ludicolo, Choice Scarf Kyogre has issues with Blissey, Giratina, and Specially Defensive Dialga. Scizor can easily deal with Latias without Thunder and Ludicolo without Surf. Bulk Up Dialga is an excellent teammate for Choice Scarf Kyogre. This is because Bulk Up Dialga can easily set up on both Blissey and Giratina. Defensive Groudon can usally handle Special Defensive Dialga, as many are Bulk Up variants. If you are worried about defensive Dialga with Special Attacks, a Blissey of your own can withstand its attacks.</p>



[SET]
name: Calm Mind Sweeper
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid / Modest
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Kyogre is capable of smashing through teams with its ridiculously powerful double-STAB Surfs after a single Calm Mind. In addtion to boosting Kyogre's Special Attack, Calm Mind also boosts Kyogre's titanic 140 base Special Defense, making Kyogre much tougher to revenge kill. For example, Palkia can not 2HKO a +1 Kyogre with Thunder without Life Orb, while Kyogre 2HKOs most Palkia with Thunder. Even a Life Orb Shaymin-S can only do 84% maximum to a +1 Kyogre with Seed Flare, while Kyogre will easily OHKO with Ice Beam.</p>

<p>Despite being one of the slowest Ubers, Kyogre gets good usage out of a Timid nature, letting it tie at worst with Groudon and other non-Choice Scarf Kyogre and outspeed the vast majority of Dialga and Rayquaza. It can also outrun Lugia that invest more EVs into their defenses than Speed and 2HKO it with +1 Thunder. If Speed is not as important as power, Modest is an acceptable nature. When using Modest, Kyogre's EV spread should be 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe. The Speed allows Kyogre to out speed most Adamant Rock Polish Groudon before they boost their speed.<p>

<p>Despite Calm Mind Kyogre's power, Kyogre will have a difficult time getting past Blissey, Latias, and Latios. Blissey can use Toxic, Protect, and Wish to eventully stall Kyogre to death. Because of this, Wobbuffet can be a very effective teammate for Calm Mind Kyogre. Wobbuffet can trap Blissey and use Tickle to lower its defense. After being Tickled two times, a fleeing Blissey will be OHKOed by a Pursuit coming from a neutral-natured Choice Band Tyranitar with 56 Attack EVs. After being Tickled four times, a fleeing Blissey will OHKOed by a Pursuit coming from an Adamant Life Orbed Scizor with 100 Attack EVs. With Blissey out of the way, Kyogre will often have a much easier time sweeping. Wobbuffet is also able to help set up Kyogre thanks to Encore and Shadow Tag. A Careful Tyranitar with 252 HP EVs and 200 Special Defense EVs is capable of switching into any of Latias's or Latios's Special Attacks bar Grass Knot and either OHKO them with Crunch or OHKO them with Pursuit as they switch out. Scizor can also switch into Latias without Thunder and threaten to OHKO them with U-turn.</p>


[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Surf
move 4: Ice Beam / Thunder
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set destroys anyone depending on a non-Psych Up, non-Calm Mind Blissey to counter Kyogre. 101 HP Substitutes mean that Blissey can't break them with Seismic Toss, and Kyogre's massive Special Defense ensures that they will become unbreakable with Thunder after the second Calm Mind, and the first if Blissey doesn't carry maximum special attack. It can also wear down many things your opponent may use to attempt to counter Kyogre and allows it to set up a Substitute and start Calm Minding against whatever their next answer is after their first gets worn down or fainted.</p>

<p>If you opt for Ice Beam in the last slot, Kyogre will be unable to break through opposing Kyogre. Because of this, Latias can be a good teammate for Substitute Kyogre. Latias can easily switch into an oposing Kyogre's Thunder, and either force it out with the threat of Grass Knot or Thunder, or use Calm Mind to set up on Kyogre. In a similar manner, a Specially Defensive Bulk Up Dialga can switch into a Choiced Kyogre's Thunder and set up on it. If Substitute Kyogre uses Thunder over Ice Beam, Kyogre will have even more trouble with Latias and Latios then usual, so Choice Band Tyranitar and Choice Band Scizor with heavy Special Defense investment make good partners. Like the last set, Kyogre will greatly benefit from Wobbuffet's support, as Wobbuffet can use Encore to help Kyogre set up a Substitute.</p>


[SET]
name: Rest + Sleep Talk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk
move 3: Surf / Water Spout
move 4: Ice Beam / Thunder
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
EVs: 240 HP / 244 Def / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Defensive tankish Kyogre. Kyogre's massive special stats allow it to take and deal out decent hits without much boosting. Kyogre doesn't like Thunders off of most Ubers, but can tank non-super effective hits extremely well. The EVs given allow Kyogre to survive a Swords Danced Earthquake from Adamant non Life Orb Groudon 100% of the time and outspeed Adamant Tyranitar as well.</p>

<p>Surf is the more reliable choice for a STAB move, but with Rest you can often get to use a full powered Water Spout. </p>

<p>Due to the lack of any boosting move, this Kyogre will be easily set up on by bulky Calm Minders such as Latias, Giratina, and other Kyogre, in addition to being set up on by Bulk Up Dialga. Tyranitar is a particularly good teammate with this Kyogre, as it can do massive damage to Calm Mind Giratina (which often lacks Will-O-Wisp when using Calm Mind) and Latias with Crunch. Groudon can switch into Bulk Up Dialga, and focre it out with the threat of a STAB super effective Earthquake. Opposing Kyogre can be dealt with a Latias or Bulk Up Dialga of your own. If you somehow know that the opponent is using a Choiced Kyogre, you can switch in Groudon or Garchomp to absorb the Thunder, and set up on the opponent's Kyogre. Finally, Scizor can be a very useful teammate for Rest+Sleep Talk Kyogre, not only because of its ability to beat Latias that lack Thunder, but also the ability to destroy Darkrai. Thanks to Kyogre being able to easily absorb a Dark Void, Scizor can switch into Darkai as it uses Nasty Plot, and force it out with the threat of a STAB super effective U-turn.</p>


[SET]
name: Boosting Tank
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Rest
move 3: Sleep Talk
move 4: Surf
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
EVs: 240 HP / 244 Def / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Rest + Sleep Talk Calm Mind Kyogre is yet another option. It is very similar to the previous set, with the exception of Calm Mind. Calm Mind boosts its already titanic special stats even further, and as it sets up, Surf washes almost everything ashore. Rest and Sleep Talk keeps Kyogre alive and free from status. With this set, Kyogre will easily beat any Blissey without Psych Up + Thunder.</p>

<p>This set runs into major problems against Latias and Latios, who resist Surf and are capable of Calm Minding alongside Kyogre. As usual, Scizor or Tyranitar can be used to beat most Latias or Latios. Rayquaza is a problem as well: with a Water resistance and Air Lock to nullify rain, it easily sets up a Dragon Dance or Swords Dance. Choice Specs Kyogre can also use Thunder to do some serious damage as well. Because of this, Choice Scarf Garchomp is a very good teammate with Boosting Tank Kyogre. Garchomp can switch into Rayquaza as it attempts to set up, and either force it to switch out or OHKO it with STAB super effecitve Dragon moves. Thanks to Garchomp's Ground typing, it can also absorb Thunders from Choiced Pokémon such as Kyogre and force them to switch out. Finally, Choice Scarf Garchomp is also able to outspeed and KO opposing Latias and Latios with Outrage.</p>

[SET]
name: Versatile Ogre
move 1: Surf
move 2: Thunder
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Sleep Talk / Waterfall / Toxic
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Modest / Mild
EVs: 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While on paper this Kyogre may look similiar to the "Rest + Sleep Talk" set, its EVs and playstyle actually greatly differentiate the two. While Choice Specs makes Kyogre a powerful wall breaker, and Choice Scarf, a dangerous revenge killer, being locked into an attack can allow your opponent a free turn if you mispredict or after something has fainted.</p>

<p>This set aims to take advantage of Kyogre's excellent-type coverage in Water/Ice/Electric which hits everything for neutral, excluding Lanturn and Shedinja (which are not at all common). A simple set on paper, if your item has not yet been discovered, most opponents will bank on either Choice set depending on the damage dealt. Likewise, even if Leftovers has been uncovered, the second most common Kyogre set, the Boosting Tank, only commonly carries Surf, allowing you to get the jump on players that send in their own Water-type resistant "counters".</p>

<p>Sleep Talk furthers the masquerade of either the Boosting Tank or a ResTalk set, while giving you a fairly solid counter to Darkrai. Furthermore, after absorbing the sleep, you are guaranteed to hit with a damaging attack which will either OHKO or 2HKO. Waterfall is an option alongside Life Orb and a Mild nature to 2HKO standard Uber Blissey if Stealth Rock has been laid. If you're lacking in passive damage, Aqua Tail is also an option, but its accuracy is a little unreliable. Toxic is also a good option, as it can cripple Kyogre's arch enemy, Latias, and take out Shedinja if you do not have any entry hazards to take care of it. A Wacan (Electric-resist) or a Rindo (Grass-resist) Berry can be used over Life Orb or Leftovers to extend the bluff of a Choice Kyogre, while also protecting Kyogre from a surprise super effective attack.</p>

<p>Special Attack has been pumped so Kyogre can do the most damage it can possibly do, while the Speed EVs outpace Rock Polish Groudon (without the Speed Boost) by a single point. Also, if tricked a Choice Scarf, Offensive Kyogre will be able to outrun any non-Scarfed variant of Kyogre as well as Max Speed Jolly Rayquaza.</p>

<p>This particular Kyogre set faces similar problems that the other Kyogre sets face, the main problems being Latias (if you lack Toxic), Special Defensive Dialga, Calm Mind Giratina, and Blissey (if you lack a physical move). Thus, Scizor will deal with Latias that lack Thunder, Tyranitar will beat Latias without Thunder, and most Giratina that have Calm Mind, while Groudon will beat Bulk Up Dialga, and be able to switch in on Choiced Thunders.</p>

[SET]
name: Thunder Wave Lead
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Lum Berry
nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
IVs: 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Kyogre in a lead position is often helpful to set the tone for the entire battle; not only will it set up rain that you can take advantage of with your other team members, it will also cripple opposing leads such as Darkrai and Groudon. Choice Scarf Mewtwo is easily Thunder Waved and picked off by Surf, as it can only muster a 4-3HKO (27.7% - 32.6%) with its strongest non-Selfdestruct attack, Focus Blast. 176 HP / 176 SpD Scizor has a small chance of getting OHKOed by Surf, and a 252 HP / 4 SpD Scizor is always OHKOed. The common 240 HP / 184 SpD Tyranitar lead is 2HKOed (54.1% - 63.8%) with sandstorm up by Surf as well.</p>

<p>Lum Berry on this set is important for two reasons. Firstly, if Darkrai tries to use Dark Void, your status will remain intact and you can subsequently OHKO with Surf. Second, the lack of Leftovers recovery when using a Berry means that you can fake a Choice Scarf, and as such, you won't need to fear getting tricked a Choice Scarf by opposing Trick Choice Scarf Darkrai. It will also help with taking on Groudon's Thunder Waves, and after that, you can OHKO with a rain-boosted Surf.</p>

<p>The EVs here are quite simple, yet important. It is critical you have absolutely no Speed EVs and a 30 Speed IV on this Kyogre, as it will let it get the rain up when faced against Groudon. The remaining EVs are put into Special Attack to do as much damage as possible.</p>

<p>Note that this set can be used as a mid-game sweeper, not only as a lead. Thunder Wave is incredibly helpful in taking down some counters. It's normally outclassed by the Calm Mind set in terms of sweeping, though, as that set can build up damage over time. If you do decide to go this route, though, run Expert Belt over Lum Berry, as it can still fake a Choice item.</p>

<p>The main selling point of Thunder Wave Kyogre is its ability to help slower sweepers who have problems with Latias and Palkia by paralyzing them, as both are common switch-ins to Kyogre. A good teammate for this lead is a mixed Palkia, as it benefits from both the paralysis and the fact Kyogre and Palkia have similar counters means that if you immobilize a Latias or opposing Choice Scarf Palkia, it is easier for Palkia to sweep. Another Pokémon that beneifts from this is Swords Dance Garchomp. If Kyogre is able to paralyze either Latias or Choice Scarf Palkia, Garchomp will have a significantly easier time sweeping. Dragon Dance Rayquaza also greatly benefits from this particular Kyogre, as Choice Scarf Palkia will no longer be able to stop a sweep from Rayquaza when paralyzed. Finally, Giratina-O is paticualry useful with Thunder Wave Kyogre, because Palkia and Latias will be hard pressed to stop its sweeps if they are paralyzed.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Despite being a huge threat with many sets, Kyogre does not have much of a movepool when compared to other Ubers; thus there really are not any other options for moves. It can use Safeguard and Roar, although these options are almost never seen due to being outclassed. Safeguard allows Kyogre and the rest of the team to block status moves without being forced to use Substitute. It also protects the team from Toxic Spikes. Roar allows Kyogre to phaze away other Calm Minders as they try Calm Minding along with it.</p>

[EVs]

<p>Choice Scarf: Modest or Timid with 4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed when not using Waterfall or Aqua Tail. If you do want to use the physical Water moves over Surf or Hydro Pump, you are advised to use a Rash or Mild nature with 180 Attack / 112 Special Attack / 216 Speed, as this gives you enough Attack to 2-3HKO Blissey with Waterfall and 2HKO with Aqua Tail. 216 Speed EVs allows you to outrun any Choice Scarf Heracross you may encounter, although you can drop down to 267 Speed (204 EVs) which beats most Deoxys-A by a single point.</p>

<p>Choice Specs, Calm Mind Sweeper, and Versatile Ogre: Maxed Special Attack and Speed, Timid. When Modest is used instead of Timid, 240 HP / 244 Special Attack / 24 Speed is recommended to prevent a huge waste of EVs, considering the fact that Kyogre is one of the slowest Ubers. 124 HP/ 252 Special Attack / 132 Speed is also an option, as it allows Kyogre to out speed most Adamant Rock Polish Groudon before they boost their Speed.</p>

<p>Substitute + Calm Mind: Max HP is required to prevent Blissey's Seismic Toss breaking your Sub. Maxing out Special Attack is preferred, although you can focus your EVs in Speed or Defense and rely on Calm Mind for power.</p>

<p>Rest + Sleep Talk / Boosting Tank: 240 HP / 244 Defense / 24 Speed, Modest nature. This guarantees you survive a Swords Danced Earthquake from Groudon the vast majority of the time and outrun Adamant Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave lead: Make sure you don't put any EVs into Speed, as being slower than lead Groudon is important, so the Rain will be the weather that stays. Most of the EVs should be put into Special Attack and HP to maximize duriblity and power. The remaing 4 EVs should be put into either Defense or Special Defense.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Like most offensive Pokémon, Kyogre will appreciate support from entry hazards like Stealth Rock. With Stealth Rock support, Choice Specs Kyogre can 2HKO Latias with Ice Beam. Kyogre sets that use Water Spout will greatly appreciate Wish support, as they will not only heal Kyogre, but boost Water Spout's power back up. The three main Wish users of Ubers are Blissey, Jirachi, and Latias. Latias is particularly effective, because Kyogre resists Latias's Ice weakness, while Latias covers Kyogre's weaknesses to Grass and Electric moves. Due to Kyogre's low speed, all the Kyogre sets with the excpetion of Choice Scarf Kyogre will be able to sweep much more easily with paralysis support.</p>

<p>Offensively, Kyogre's main issues are Specially Defensive Dialga, Latias, and Blissey for some sets. Palkia will also often switch in to absorb Choiced Water moves as well. Because of these threats, Swords Dance Garchomp with Haban Berry can be an excellent lure. Once the opponents realiaze that Garchomp has Swords Dance, they will often use Palkia or Latias to revenge kill it. Thanks to Haban Berry, Garchomp will survive their STAB Dragon attacks and OHKO them back with its own STAB and boosted Dragon moves. With Palkia or Latias down, Kyogre will have a much easier time sweeping. As mentioned many times before, Scizor can take down Latias that lack Thunder, while Tyranitar will beat Latias that lack Grass Knot. Both of them will also scare away Blissey thanks to their massive Attack stats. Groudon can switch into a Dialga that attempts to set up Bulk Ups on Kyogre, and scare it off with STAB super effective Earthquakes. Mewtwo can be a helpful offensive teammate as well, thanks to its ability to use Taunt and set up on Giratina with Calm Mind. Shaymin-S has the potential to revenge kill Kyogre, thus a Choice Scarf Dialga can scare it off thanks to its 4x resistance to Grass. Shaymin-S will also not be able to stay in and use Earth Power on Choice Scarf Dialga, as Draco Meteor has a chance of OHKOing Shaymin-S.</p>

<p>Defensively, any Pokémon that resists either or both of Kyogre's only weaknesses, Electric and Grass, will do well. Dialga sports a 4x resistance to Grass moves and a 2x resistance to Electric moves. Giratina-O and Latias also have Grass and Electric resists, and will often lure in Ice attacks for Kyogre to switch into. Rayquaza also has a 4x resistance to Grass, and can set up on Choiced Grass moves in addition to luring out Ice attacks for Kyogre to switch into. Both Groudon and Garchomp have immunites to Thunder, and can set up on Choiced Thunders that are aimed at Kyogre. Both Garchomp and Groudon will lure out Ice moves for Kyogre to switch into. Thanks to Groudon's ability, Drought, many opponents will aim Fire attacks at Groudon, since they are boosted by the sun. Kyogre can easily switch into these Fire attacks, and take laughable damage thanks to Kyogre's resistance to Fire and Drizzle lowering the power of Fire moves. While Shaymin-S's defenses are below par, it will often attract Fire and Ice attacks, which Kyogre can easily switch into. Scizor will also attract Fire moves, which Kyogre has no problem switching into, while Scizor has a 4x Grass resistance to cover Kyogre.</p>

<p>Kyogre's number one enemy, Latias, is a very common sight on Uber stall teams. Because of this, Blissey will often be seen with Latias that are on stall teams, which poses a huge problem for Kyogre, as these two Pokémon are able to wall all of Kyogre's moves. To solve this issue, using Tickle Wobbuffet with either Tyranitar and Scizor can destroy Blissey with the Tickle+Pursuit combonation. Tyarnitar and Scizor can also beat Latias depending on its offenisve moves. Dialga is another common teammate with Latias. Specially Defensive Bulk Up Dialga are taken care of by Groudon, while Special Attacking Dialga are walled by Blissey. Choice Band Garchomp can OHKO any Dialga that has not used Bulk Up with Earthquake, while Choice Scarf Garchomp can revenge kill a Choice Scarf Dialga with Earthquake if it is at 82% of its health or lower.</p>

<p> Kyogre's ability, Drizzle, summons a permanent rain storm that can only be ended by another weather changer. This leads to several Pokémon that work well with Kyogre thanks to the weather. First and foremost is Palkia. Thanks to the rain, Palkia's Water attacks are as powerful as Kyogre's, with the added bonus of a 120 base Attack stat that can allow Palkia to be a fearsome wall breaker with Aqua Tail. Physical Palkia sets such as Bulk Up Palkia will also appreciate the rain. Finally, Choice Scarf Palkia is able to 2HKO Wobbuffet with Surf when it’s raining, which is very useful because Wobbuffet is a common way of revenge killing Choice Scarf Palkia. Manaphy is made into a fearsome special sweeper with Kyogre's rain, as Manaphy will be immune to status moves thanks to its Hydration ability. Manaphy will be able to set up Tail Glows on Blissey and destroy it with its STABed, rain boosted Surfs. Thanks to Hydration and the rain, Manaphy will be able to instantly recover its health with Rest without the negative side effects of sleeping. Under the rain, Ludicolo is able to become a threat with Leech Seed and Rain Dish constantly restoring its health. Ludicolo can also function as a Kyogre switch-in due to its Water and Grass typing, which is a very valuble utility in the Uber enviroment. Thanks to the rain and Swift Swim doubling its speed, Kingdra can be a powerful mixed attacker that is able to revenge kill every Dragon bar Dialga, Giratina, and Rayquaza (due to Air Lock) in the tier with its STAB Outrage and Draco Meteor attacks. Finally, Kabutops can use the Speed boost from Swift Swim and Swords Dance to become a very powerful physical sweeper.</p>


[Opinion]

<p>Kyogre has gotten upgraded in this generation. With Choice Scarf, it makes an excellent revenge killer. With Choice Specs, it strikes fear into its nemesis, Blissey, and also can 2HKO almost every Pokémon in the game. With its massive Special Attack and rain, Kyogre is truly one of the most fearsome sweepers in the Uber tier. Despite the lack of movepool, the sheer power of its moves compensates for that loss. Every Uber team must have a strategy against Kyogre, or it will easily plow through them. The fact that a Pokémon like Quagsire is viable for the sole purpose of beating Kyogre shows how much of a powerful force Kyogre is in the Uber metagame!</p>

[Counters]

<p>Psych Up / Calm Mind Blissey, Latias, specially defensive Dialga (particularly the Bulk Up set), and Latios are checks for all the sets. These are really the only reliable Kyogre switch-ins; Kyogre's special stats are just too high for anything else to threaten Kyogre without too much risk to itself after Kyogre gets a Calm Mind in, or switch into Choice Specs Kyogre's extremely powerful assualts. Shedinja gets a comedy mention as well; it completely walls Kyogre unless it carries Hidden Power specifically to hit it, or Toxic. Similarly, Quagsire takes on Kyogre without Ice Beam, and can hit hard with Choice Band Earthquake, again for a 2HKO, or it, too, can predict a switch and Ice Punch something. Quagsire can also use Encore to foil any attempts to set up on Kyogre's part. Dugtrio gets a special mention just because of the popularity of Choice Scarf / Choice Specs Kyogre, because if Dugtrio catches Kyogre locked into Thunder, it's a guaranteed KO.</p>

<p>Palkia easily switches in to a Choice Scarf Water Spout with its 4x resistance. In the process, Kyogre wasted 2 PP due to Pressure. Note that if Kyogre gets in a Calm Mind on the switch, it 2HKOs Palkia with Thunder, but Palkia cannot 2HKO back with a Thunder of its own, unless that Palkia carries Choice Specs. Palkia, however, can switch into Kyogre's STAB Water moves with relative ease. A specially defensive Ludicolo with Rain Dish can take any of Kyogre's attacks with ease, and can use Leech Seed and Protect to stall if needed. Ludicolo can also use Grass Knot to quickly whittle down Kyogre's HP. Ludicolo will not beat the Rest+Sleep Talk Kyogre though, as Ludicolo will eventually run out of PP. If Kyogre does not pack Ice Beam, Rayquaza will be troublesome, cutting down the rain to neutralize Kyogre's Water powers and Thunder's accuracy.</p>
 
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Okay, I changed a few things here:
-I removed the Choice Band Kyogre set, its not only a bad set, but Kyogre already has plenty of ways to scare Blissey.
- I changed the name of the "Offensive Ogre" set to "Versatile Ogre" and added Toxic as an option. I found success with Toxic, and Versatile Ogre seems to suit the point of the set better.
-I removed Hydro Pump from the sleep talk set.

Special thanks to jumpluff for fixing most of my crappy spelling and grammar!

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Choice Specs
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Choice Specs Kyogre is absurdly deadly; a Timid Water Spout deals 54-64% to 252 SpD Calm Blissey, a guaranteed 2HKO, something that most special attackers cannot boast about(it looked awkward, i think this sounds better) . With Choice Specs, Ice Beam deals massive damage to Latias and Latios, and Thunder becomes capable of OHKOing an opposing Kyogre. Palkia will actually hesitate to switch in to this, since a Thunder from a Timid Choice Specs Kyogre does 58% minimum to a 4 HP / 0 SpD Palkia, and the paralysis chance is always threatening.</p>

<p>The choice of nature is depends on your preference. Timid lets Kyogre outspeed other Kyogre, Groudon, most Dialga, and some Palkia and(removed the "some") Lugia. Modest will always 2HKO Blissey with Water Spout, and it lets you OHKO Lugia a bit more often, too. It can also 2HKO the standard Latias, who is one of Kyogre's only true counters, with Stealth Rock in play.</p>

<p>If you are running a Modest nature, it is advised to use an alternate EV spread of 240 HP / 244 Special Attack / 24 Speed. Kyogre is one of the slowest Ubers (not counting Wobbuffet), and Speed does not help it much. 24 Speed here allows it to outrun Tyranitar and possibly some other base 90 Speed Ubers (Groudon, Kyogre, Dialga, Giratina, Deoxys-D, Ho-oh) that don't pump their Speed.</p>

<p>When using Choice Specs Kyogre, it is often a good idea to use Ice Beam before any other attack if you do not know the opponent's whole team. This is because the two most common Kyogre switch ins, Palkia and Latias, are both 2HKOed by Ice Beam if they have taken damage from Stealth Rock.</p>

<p>Choice Specs Kyogre will have problems sweeping with Water Spout if Palkia and Latias are still around, and additionally, Quagsire can wall it(removed "similarly") thanks to Water Absorb and its Ground typing. Finally, a specially defensive Ludicolo is arguably the only true Choice Specs Kyogre counter, as it can(removed "even") stall out Thunders thanks to Protect, Rain Dish, and Leech Seed. Choice Band Tyranitar with 56 Attack EVs can easily take care of Latias, as Pursuit will 2HKO it if it doesn’t switch out, and Crunch will easily OHKO Latias. Be warned that if Latias is carying Grass Knot, the standard Careful 252 HP / 200 SpD Tyranitar has a 80% chance of being 2HKOed after taking damage from Stealth Rock. Scizor can work in a similar manner if Latias lacks Thunder, thanks to a Pursuit of its own and STAB U-turn. A specially defensive Scizor also has the bonus ability to switch into a defensive Ludicolo's Grass Knot and threaten it with U-turn. Quagsire (removed "also", it's redundant with "as well") poses no threat to Scizor as(typo) well. Finally, Palkia can be dealt with by switching Garchomp into its Thunder. Be careful, as some Palkia may opt to use a Dragon move instead, which will OHKO Garchomp. A defensive Dialga can work in a similar manner, and Dialga will survive Palkia's Dragon-type assaults (unless Palkia has Choice Specs). Thanks to Blissey's massive Special Defense and HP, she can work well with Choice Specs Kyogre, as she can switch into Latias's and Palkia's powerful Special Attacks and wall them (be careful with Palkia, however, as some of them are mixed). Giratina-o complements Choice Specs Kyogre very well offensively and defensively. When facing most stall teams, their only hope against Giratina-o is Latias. If Giratina-o has set up one Calm Mind, it can OHKO Latias after it switches into Stealth Rock, while Latias will be unable to KO Giratina-o. With Latias down, Choice Specs Kyogre can devastate the stall team, as Latias is often their only hope aganst Choice Specs Kyogre. Giratina-o also sports a resistance to Electric and Grass moves, and thus can set up on these moves if they are Choiced.</p>

<p> Although Groudon most certainly cannot switch into Choice Specs Kyogre's powerful Water and Ice-type attacks, it can switch into Kyogre's Thunder, use Rock Polish on the switch, and attempt to sweep. Because of this, Choice Scarf Shaymin-s makes an excellent offensive teammate for Kyogre, as it can outspeed an Adamant Groudon after it has used Rock Polish once and will OHKO it with a STAB Seed Flare. Garchomp can utilize a similar tactic when switching into Thunders, but dealing with Garchomp can be much trickier, as Garchomp commonly holds Choice items of its own, allowing it to often hurt your switch-in badly. Skarmory can be used (removed "well") as a way to ward off Garchomp, as it is immune to Garchomp's Earthquake, resists Outrage, and will be able to withstand Fire attacks more easily thanks to Kyogre's rain. Bronzong also works in a similar manner. Both Skarmory and Bronzong can beat Groudon that lack Fire Punch, as they can set up entry hazards, and Bronzong can 2-3HKO Groudon with Grass Knot. Something important to note is that once Kyogre is at 75% of its health, Special Defensive Dialga can surive and outstall Kyogre's Water Spouts via Pressure and Rest. Because of this, a Groudon can be a useful teammate for Kyogre, as most Special Defensive Dialga will have Bulk Up; thus they will have trouble beating Support Groudon while Groudon will inflict severe damage on Dialga with STAB Earthquakes.</p>



[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Kyogre is most often seen as a hit and run Pokémon, setting up the rain as it enters into the battle. With Choice Scarf boosting its mediocre Speed, and the rain boosting Water Spout's already gargantuan base power, Kyogre becomes a deadly revenge killer. Water Spout is pure power; it can easily destroy Mewtwo and Darkrai in one hit assuming Kyogre is at full health. When one wants to conserve the abysmal PP of Water Spout, or if Kyogre's HP is too low to abuse Water Spout, it can fall back onto Surf or Hydro Pump for STAB. Surf is more reliable, but Hydro Pump OHKOes Mewtwo and Metagross. The other two attacks are used to cover what the Water attacks don't. Thunder 3HKOs Palkia and will 2HKO opposing Kyogre, while Ice Beam OHKOes Rayquaza, Garchomp, and Shaymin-s.</p>

<p>Be careful not to constantly switch Kyogre into attacks, as even the smallest shots can decrease Water Spout's power. Sadly, however, there is no way to avoid taking damage from Stealth Rock, Spikes, or Toxic Spikes, unless you use a Rapid Spinner, which may not even get to Spin due to the presence of Giratina. Kyogre needs to be at 80% health or higher to keep Water Spout more powerful than Hydro Pump, or 64%+ health to keep it stronger than Surf.</p>

<p>Waterfall and Aqua Tail are options on this set to severely dent Blissey. Kyogre needs 180 Attack EVs with either a Mild or Rash nature to guarantee a 2HKO on Blissey with Aqua Tail. Waterfall won't 2HKO, but its chance of flinch will keep Blissey away from it.</p>

<p>You have two options for the nature here (assuming you don't use a physical Water move): Modest or Timid. Modest gives Kyogre extra power, but Timid is often the better choice because it allows Kyogre to outrun Naive / Hasty Deoxys-A, Adamant Dragon Danced Rayquaza, and other Modest Choice Scarf Kyogre. It all depends on what you desire for the team.</p>

<p>In addition to the problems Choice Specs Kyogre has with Palkia, Latias, and Ludicolo, Choice Scarf Kyogre has issues with Blissey, Giratina, and Specially Defensive Dialga. Scizor can easily deal with Latias without Thunder and Ludicolo without Surf. Bulk Up Dialga is an excellent teammate for Choice Scarf Kyogre. This is because Bulk Up Dialga can easily set up on both Blissey and Giratina. Defensive Groudon can usally handle Special Defensive Dialga, as many are Bulk Up variants. If you are worried about defensive Dialga with Special Attacks, a Blissey of your own can withstand its attacks.</p>



[SET]
name: Calm Mind Sweeper
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Surf
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid / Modest
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Kyogre is capable of smashing through teams with its ridiculously powerful double-STAB Surfs after a single Calm Mind. In addtion to boosting Kyogre's Special Attack, Calm Mind also boosts Kyogre's titanic 140 base Special Defense, making Kyogre much tougher to revenge kill. For example, Palkia can not 2HKO a +1 Kyogre with Thunder without Life Orb, while Kyogre 2HKOs most Palkia with Thunder. Even a Life Orb Shaymin-s can only do 84% maximum to a +1 Kyogre with Seed Flare, while Kyogre will easily OHKO with Ice Beam.</p>

<p>Despite being one of the slowest Ubers, Kyogre gets good usage out of a Timid nature, letting it tie at worst with Groudon and other non-Choice Scarf Kyogre and outspeed the vast majority of Dialga and Rayquaza. It can also outrun Lugia that invest more EVs into their defenses than Speed and 2HKO it with +1 Thunder. If Speed is not as important as power, Modest is an acceptable nature. When using Modest, Kyogre's EV spread should be 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe. The Speed allows Kyogre to out speed most Adamant Rock Polish Groudon before they boost their speed.<p>

<p>Despite Calm Mind Kyogre's power, Kyogre will have a difficult time getting past Blissey, Latias, and Latios. Blissey can use Toxic, Protect, and Wish to eventully stall Kyogre to death. Because of this, Wobbuffet can be a very effective teammate for Calm Mind Kyogre. Wobbuffet can trap Blissey and use Tickle to lower its defense. After being Tickled two times, a fleeing Blissey will be OHKOed by a Pursuit coming from a neutral-natured Choice Band Tyranitar with 56 Attack EVs. After being Tickled four times, a fleeing Blissey will OHKOed by a Pursuit coming from an Adamant Life Orbed Scizor with 100 Attack EVs. With Blissey out of the way, Kyogre will often have a much easier time sweeping. Wobbuffet is also able to help set up Kyogre thanks to Encore and Shadow Tag. A Careful Tyranitar with 252 HP EVs and 200 Special Defense EVs is capable of switching into any of Latias's or Latios's Special Attacks bar Grass Knot and either OHKO them with Crunch or OHKO them with Pursuit as they switch out. Scizor can also switch into Latias without Thunder and threaten to OHKO them with U-turn.</p>


[SET]
name: Substitute + Calm Mind
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Calm Mind
move 3: Surf
move 4: Ice Beam / Thunder
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set destroys anyone depending on a non-Psych Up, non-Calm Mind Blissey to counter Kyogre. 101 HP Substitutes mean that Blissey can't break them with Seismic Toss, and Kyogre's massive Special Defense ensures that they will become unbreakable with Thunder after the second Calm Mind, and the first if Blissey doesn't carry maximum special attack. It can also wear down many things your opponent may use to attempt to counter Kyogre and allows it to set up a Substitute and start Calm Minding against whatever their next answer is after their first gets worn down or fainted.</p>

<p>If you opt for Ice Beam in the last slot, Kyogre will be unable to break through opposing Kyogre. Because of this, Latias can be a good teammate for Substitute Kyogre. Latias can easily switch into an oposing Kyogre's Thunder, and either force it out with the threat of Grass Knot or Thunder, or use Calm Mind to set up on Kyogre. In a similar manner, a Specially Defensive Bulk Up Dialga can switch into a Choiced Kyogre's Thunder and set up on it. If Substitute Kyogre uses Thunder over Ice Beam, Kyogre will have even more trouble with Latias and Latios then usual, so Choice Band Tyranitar and Choice Band Scizor with heavy Special Defense investment make good partners. Like the last set, Kyogre will greatly benefit from Wobbuffet's support, as Wobbuffet can use Encore to help Kyogre set up a Substitute.</p>


[SET]
name: Rest + Sleep Talk
move 1: Rest
move 2: Sleep Talk
move 3: Surf / Water Spout
move 4: Ice Beam / Thunder
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
EVs: 240 HP / 244 Def / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Defensive tankish Kyogre. Kyogre's massive special stats allow it to take and deal out decent hits without much boosting. Kyogre doesn't like Thunders off of most Ubers, but can tank non-super effective hits extremely well. The EVs given allow Kyogre to survive a Swords Danced Earthquake from Adamant non Life Orb Groudon 100% of the time and outspeed Adamant Tyranitar as well.</p>
<p>Surf is the more reliable choice for a STAB move, but with Rest you can often get to use a full powered Water Spout. </p>

<p>Due to the lack of any boosting move, this Kyogre will be easily set up on by bulky Calm Minders such as Latias, Giratina, and other Kyogre, in addition to being set up on by Bulk Up Dialga. Tyranitar is a particularly good teammate with this Kyogre, as it can do massive damage to Calm Mind Giratina (which often lacks Will-O-Wisp when using Calm Mind) and Latias with Crunch. Groudon can switch into Bulk Up Dialga, and focre it out with the threat of a STAB super effective Earthquake. Opposing Kyogre can be dealt with a Latias or Bulk Up Dialga of your own. If you somehow know that the opponent is using a Choiced Kyogre, you can switch in Groudon or Garchomp to absorb the Thunder, and set up on the opponent's Kyogre. Finally, Scizor can be a very useful teammate for Rest+Sleep Talk Kyogre, not only because of its ability to beat Latias that lack Thunder, but also the ability to destroy Darkrai. Thanks to Kyogre being able to easily absorb a Dark Void, Scizor can switch into Darkai as it uses Nasty Plot, and force it out with the threat of a STAB super effective U-turn.</p>


[SET]
name: Boosting Tank
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Rest
move 3: Sleep Talk
move 4: Surf
item: Leftovers
nature: Modest
EVs: 240 HP / 244 Def / 24 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Rest + Sleep Talk Calm Mind Kyogre is yet another option. It is very similar to the previous set, with the exception of Calm Mind. Calm Mind boosts its already titanic special stats even further, and as it sets up, Surf washes almost everything ashore. Rest and Sleep Talk keeps Kyogre alive and free from status. With this set, Kyogre will easily beat any Blissey without Psych Up + Thunder.</p>

<p>This set runs into major problems against Latias and Latios, who resist Surf and are capable of Calm Minding alongside Kyogre. As usual, Scizor or Tyranitar can be used to beat most Latias or Latios. Rayquaza is a problem as well: with a Water resistance and Air Lock to nullify rain, it easily sets up a Dragon Dance or Swords Dance. Choice Specs Kyogre can also use Thunder to do some serious damage as well. Because of this, Choice Scarf Garchomp is a very good teammate with Boosting Tank Kyogre. Garchomp can switch into Rayquaza as it attempts to set up, and either force it to switch out or OHKO it with STAB super effecitve Dragon moves. Thanks to Garchomp's Ground typing, it can also absorb Thunders from Choiced Pokémon such as Kyogre and force them to switch out. Finally, Choice Scarf Garchomp is also able to outspeed and KO opposing Latias and Latios with Outrage.</p>

[SET]
name: Versatile Ogre
move 1: Surf
move 2: Thunder
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Sleep Talk / Waterfall / Toxic
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Modest / Mild
EVs: 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While on paper this Kyogre may look similiar to the "Rest + Sleep Talk" set, its EVs and playstyle actually greatly differentiate the two. While Choice Specs makes Kyogre a powerful wall breaker, and Choice Scarf, a dangerous revenge killer, being locked into an attack can allow your opponent a free turn if you mispredict or after something has fainted.</p>

<p>This set aims to take advantage of Kyogre's excellent-type coverage in Water/Ice/Electric which hits everything for neutral, excluding Lanturn and Shedinja(which are not at all common). A simple set on paper, if your item has not yet been discovered, most opponents will bank on either Choice set depending on the damage dealt. Likewise, even if Leftovers has been uncovered, the second most common Kyogre set, the Boosting Tank, only commonly carries Surf, allowing you to get the jump on players that send in their own Water-type resistant "counters".</p>

<p>Sleep Talk furthers the masquerade of either the Boosting Tank or a ResTalk set, while giving you a fairly solid counter to Darkrai. Furthermore, after absorbing the sleep, you are guaranteed to hit with a damaging attack which will either OHKO or 2HKO. Waterfall is an option alongside Life Orb and a Mild nature to 2HKO standard Uber Blissey if Stealth Rock has been laid. If you're lacking in passive damage, Aqua Tail is also an option, but its accuracy is a little unreliable. Toxic is also a good option, as it can cripple Kyogre's arch enemy, Latias, and take out Shedinja if you do not have any entry hazards to take care of it. A Wacan (Electric-resist) or a Rindo (Grass-resist) Berry can be used over Life Orb or Leftovers to extend the bluff of a Choice Kyogre, while also protecting Kyogre from a surprise super effective attack.</p>

<p>Special Attack has been pumped so Kyogre can do the most damage it can possibly do, while the Speed EVs outpace Rock Polish Groudon (without the Speed Boost) by a single point. Also, if tricked a Choice Scarf, Offensive Kyogre will be able to outrun any non-Scarfed variant of Kyogre as well as Max Speed Jolly Rayquaza.</p>

<p>This particular Kyogre set faces similar problems that the other Kyogre sets face, the main problems being Latias (if you lack Toxic), Special Defensive Dialga, Calm Mind Giratina, and Blissey (if you lack a physical move). Thus, Scizor will deal with Latias that lack Thunder, Tyranitar will beat Latias without Thunder, and most Giratina that have Calm Mind, while Groudon will beat Bulk Up Dialga, and be able to switch in on Choiced Thunders.</p>

[SET]
name: Thunder Wave Lead
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Thunder
item: Lum Berry
nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
IVs: 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Kyogre in a lead position is often helpful to set the tone for the entire battle; not only will it set up rain that you can take advantage of with your other team members, it will also cripple opposing leads such as Darkrai and Groudon. Choice Scarf Mewtwo is easily Thunder Waved and picked off by Surf, as it can only muster a 4-3HKO (27.7% - 32.6%) with its strongest non-Selfdestruct attack, Focus Blast. 176 HP / 176 SpD Scizor has a small chance of getting OHKOed by Surf, and a 252 HP / 4 SpD Scizor is always OHKOed. The common 240 HP / 184 SpD Tyranitar lead is 2HKOed (54.1% - 63.8%) with sandstorm up by Surf as well.</p>

<p>Lum Berry on this set is important for two reasons. Firstly, if Darkrai tries to use Dark Void, your status will remain intact and you can subsequently OHKO with Surf. Second, the lack of Leftovers recovery when using a Berry means that you can fake a Choice Scarf, and as such, you won't need to fear getting tricked a Choice Scarf by opposing Trick Choice Scarf Darkrai. It will also help with taking on Groudon's Thunder Waves, and after that, you can OHKO with a rain-boosted Surf.</p>

<p>The EVs here are quite simple, yet important. It is critical you have absolutely no Speed EVs and a 30 Speed IV on this Kyogre, as it will let it get the rain up when faced against Groudon. The remaining EVs are put into Special Attack to do as much damage as possible.</p>

<p>Note that this set can be used as a mid-game sweeper, not only as a lead. Thunder Wave is incredibly helpful in taking down some counters. It's normally outclassed by the Calm Mind set in terms of sweeping, though, as that set can build up damage over time. If you do decide to go this route, though, run Expert Belt over Lum Berry, as it can still fake a Choice item.</p>

<p>The main selling point of Thunder Wave Kyogre is its ability to help slower sweepers who have problems with Latias and Palkia by paralyzing them, as both are common switch-ins to Kyogre. A good teammate for this lead is a mixed Palkia, as it benefits from both the paralysis and the fact Kyogre and Palkia have similar counters means that if you immobilize a Latias or opposing Choice Scarf Palkia, it is easier for Palkia to sweep. Another Pokémon that beneifts from this is Swords Dance Garchomp. If Kyogre is able to paralyze either Latias or Choice Scarf Palkia, Garchomp will have a significantly easier time sweeping. Dragon Dance Rayquaza also greatly benefits from this particular Kyogre, as Choice Scarf Palkia will no longer be able to stop a sweep from Rayquaza when paralyzed. Finally, Giratina-o is paticualry useful with Thunder Wave Kyogre, because Palkia and Latias will be hard pressed to stop its sweeps if they are paralyzed.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Despite being a huge threat with many sets, Kyogre does not have much of a movepool when compared to other Ubers; thus there really are not any other options for moves. It can use Safeguard and Roar, although these options are almost never seen due to being outclassed. Safeguard allows Kyogre and the rest of the team to block status moves without being forced to use Substitute. It also protects the team from Toxic Spikes. Roar allows Kyogre to phaze away other Calm Minders as they try Calm Minding along with it.</p>

[EVs]

<p>Choice Scarf: Modest or Timid with 4 HP / 252 Special Attack / 252 Speed when not using Waterfall or Aqua Tail. If you do want to use the physical Water moves over Surf or Hydro Pump, you are advised to use a Rash or Mild nature with 180 Attack / 112 Special Attack / 216 Speed, as this gives you enough Attack to 2-3HKO Blissey with Waterfall and 2HKO with Aqua Tail. 216 Speed EVs allows you to outrun any Choice Scarf Heracross you may encounter, although you can drop down to 267 Speed (204 EVs) which beats most Deoxys-A by a single point.</p>

<p>Choice Specs, Calm Mind Sweeper, and Offensive Ogre: Maxed Special Attack and Speed, Timid. When Modest is used instead of Timid, 240 HP / 244 Special Attack / 24 Speed is recommended to prevent a huge waste of EVs, considering the fact that Kyogre is one of the slowest Ubers. 124 HP/ 252 Special Attack / 132 Speed is also an option, as it allows Kyogre to out speed most Adamant Rock Polish Groudon before they boost their Speed.</p>

<p>Substitute + Calm Mind: Max HP is required to prevent Blissey's Seismic Toss breaking your Sub. Maxing out Special Attack is preferred, although you can focus your EVs in Speed or Defense and rely on Calm Mind for power.</p>

<p>Rest + Sleep Talk / Boosting Tank: 240 HP / 244 Defense / 24 Speed, Modest nature. This guarantees you survive a Swords Danced Earthquake from Groudon the vast majority of the time and outrun Adamant Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave lead: Make sure you don't put any EVs into Speed, as being slower than lead Groudon is important, so the Rain will be the weather that stays. Most of the EVs should be put into Special Attack and HP to maximize duriblity and power. The remaing 4 EVs should be put into either Defense or Special Defense.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Like most offensive Pokémon, Kyogre will appreciate support from entry hazards like Stealth Rock. With Stealth Rock support, Choice Specs Kyogre can 2HKO Latias with Ice Beam. Kyogre sets that use Water Spout will greatly appreciate Wish support, as they will not only heal Kyogre, but boost Water Spout's power back up. The three main Wish users of Ubers are Blissey, Jirachi, and Latias. Latias is particularly effective, because Kyogre resists Latias's Ice weakness, while Latias covers Kyogre's weaknesses to Grass and Electric moves. Due to Kyogre's low speed, all the Kyogre sets with the excpetion of Choice Scarf Kyogre will be able to sweep much more easily with paralysis support.</p>

<p>Offensively, Kyogre's main issues are Specially Defensive Dialga, Latias, and Blissey for some sets. Palkia will also often switch in to absorb Choiced Water moves as well. Because of these threats, Swords Dance Garchomp with Haban Berry can be an excellent lure. Once the opponents realiaze that Garchomp has Swords Dance, they will often use Palkia or Latias to revenge kill it. Thanks to Haban Berry, Garchomp will survive their STAB Dragon attacks and OHKO them back with its own STAB and boosted Dragon moves. With Palkia or Latias down, Kyogre will have a much easier time sweeping. As mentioned many times before, Scizor can take down Latias that lack Thunder, while Tyranitar will beat Latias that lack Grass Knot. Both of them will also scare away Blissey thanks to their massive Attack stats. Groudon can switch into a Dialga that attempts to set up Bulk Ups on Kyogre, and scare it off with STAB super effective Earthquakes. Mewtwo can be a helpful offensive teammate as well, thanks to its ability to use Taunt and set up on Giratina with Calm Mind. Shaymin-s has the potential to revenge kill Kyogre, thus a Choice Scarf Dialga can scare it off thanks to its 4x resistance to Grass. Shaymin-s will also not be able to stay in and use Earth Power on Choice Scarf Dialga, as Draco Meteor has a chance of OHKOing Shaymin-s.</p>

<p>Defensively, any Pokémon that resists either or both of Kyogre's only weaknesses, Electric and Grass, will do well. Dialga sports a 4x resistance to Grass moves and a 2x resistance to Electric moves. Giratina-o and Latias also have Grass and Electric resists, and will often lure in Ice attacks for Kyogre to switch into. Rayquaza also has a 4x resistance to Grass, and can set up on Choiced Grass moves in addition to luring out Ice attacks for Kyogre to switch into. Both Groudon and Garchomp have immunites to Thunder, and can set up on Choiced Thunders that are aimed at Kyogre. Both Garchomp and Groudon will lure out Ice moves for Kyogre to switch into. Thanks to Groudon's ability, Drought, many opponents will aim Fire attacks at Groudon, since they are boosted by the sun. Kyogre can easily switch into these Fire attacks, and take laughable damage thanks to Kyogre's resistance to Fire and Drizzle lowering the power of Fire moves. While Shaymin-s's defenses are below par, it will often attract Fire and Ice attacks, which Kyogre can easily switch into. Scizor will also attract Fire moves, which Kyogre has no problem switching into, while Scizor has a 4x Grass resistance to cover Kyogre.</p>

<p>Kyogre's number one enemy, Latias, is a very common sight on Uber stall teams. Because of this, Blissey will often be seen with Latias that are on stall teams, which poses a huge problem for Kyogre, as these two Pokémon are able to wall all of Kyogre's moves. To solve this issue, using Tickle Wobbuffet with either Tyranitar and Scizor can destroy Blissey with the Tickle+Pursuit combonation. Tyarnitar and Scizor can also beat Latias depending on its offenisve moves. Dialga is another common teammate with Latias. Specially Defensive Bulk Up Dialga are taken care of by Groudon, while Special Attacking Dialga are walled by Blissey. Choice Band Garchomp can OHKO any Dialga that has not used Bulk Up with Earthquake, while Choice Scarf Garchomp can revenge kill a Choice Scarf Dialga with Earthquake if it is at 82% of its health or lower.</p>

<p> Kyogre's ability, Drizzle, summons a permanent rain storm that can only be ended by another weather changer. This leads to several Pokémon that work well with Kyogre thanks to the weather. First and foremost is Palkia. Thanks to the rain, Palkia's Water attacks are as powerful as Kyogre's, with the added bonus of a 120 base Attack stat that can allow Palkia to be a fearsome wall breaker with Aqua Tail. Physical Palkia sets such as Bulk Up Palkia will also appreciate the rain. Finally, Choice Scarf Palkia is able to 2HKO Wobbuffet with Surf when it’s raining, which is very useful because Wobbuffet is a common way of revenge killing Choice Scarf Palkia. Manaphy is made into a fearsome special sweeper with Kyogre's rain, as Manaphy will be immune to status moves thanks to its Hydration ability. Manaphy will be able to set up Tail Glows on Blissey and destroy it with its STABed, rain boosted Surfs. Thanks to Hydration and the rain, Manaphy will be able to instantly recover its health with Rest without the negative side effects of sleeping. Under the rain, Ludicolo is able to become a threat with Leech Seed and Rain Dish constantly restoring its health. Ludicolo can also function as a Kyogre switch-in due to its Water and Grass typing, which is a very valuble utility in the Uber enviroment. Thanks to the rain and Swift Swim doubling its speed, Kingdra can be a powerful mixed attacker that is able to revenge kill every Dragon bar Dialga, Giratina, and Rayquaza (due to Air Lock) in the tier with its STAB Outrage and Draco Meteor attacks. Finally, Kabutops can use the Speed boost from Swift Swim and Swords Dance to become a very powerful physical sweeper.</p>

[Opinion]

<p>Kyogre has gotten upgraded in this generation. With Choice Scarf, it makes an excellent revenge killer. With Choice Specs, it strikes fear into its nemesis, Blissey, and also can 2HKO almost every Pokémon in the game. With its massive Special Attack and rain, Kyogre is truly one of the most fearsome sweepers in the Uber tier. Despite the lack of movepool, the sheer power of its moves compensates for that loss. Kyogre. Every Uber team must have a strategy against Kyogre, or it will easily plow through them. The fact that a Pokémon like Quagsire is viable for the sole purpose of beating Kyogre shows how much of a powerful force Kyogre is in the Uber metagame!</p>

[Counters]

<p>Psych Up / Calm Mind Blissey, Latias, specially defensive Dialga (particularly the Bulk Up set), and Latios are checks for all the sets. These are really the only reliable Kyogre switch-ins; Kyogre's special stats are just too high for anything else to threaten Kyogre without too much risk to itself after Kyogre gets a Calm Mind in, or switch into Choice Specs Kyogre's extremely powerful assualts. Shedinja gets a comedy mention as well; it completely walls Kyogre unless it carries Hidden Power specifically to hit it, or Toxic. Similarly, Quagsire takes on Kyogre without Ice Beam, and can hit hard with Choice Band Earthquake, again for a 2HKO, or it, too, can predict a switch and Ice Punch something. Quagsire can also use Encore to foil any attempts to set up on Kyogre's part. Dugtrio gets a special mention just because of the popularity of Choice Scarf / Choice Specs Kyogre, because if Dugtrio catches Kyogre locked into Thunder, it's a guaranteed KO.</p>

<p>Palkia easily switches in to a Choice Scarf Water Spout with its 4x resistance. In the process, Kyogre wasted 2 PP due to Pressure. Note that if Kyogre gets in a Calm Mind on the switch, it 2HKOs Palkia with Thunder, but Palkia cannot 2HKO back with a Thunder of its own, unless that Palkia carries Choice Specs. Palkia, however, can switch into Kyogre's STAB Water moves with relative ease. A specially defensive Ludicolo with Rain Dish can take any of Kyogre's attacks with ease, and can use Leech Seed and Protect to stall if needed. Ludicolo can also use Grass Knot to quickly whittle down Kyogre's HP. Ludicolo will not beat the Rest+Sleep Talk Kyogre though, as Ludicolo will eventually run out of PP. If Kyogre does not pack Ice Beam, Rayquaza will be troublesome, cutting down the rain to neutralize Kyogre's Water powers and Thunder's accuracy.</p>

There were some typos and awkward sentences, but nice job nevertheless!
 
In the same vein as Lead Groudon, shouldn't Lead Kyogre use a Chesto Berry instead of a Lum Berry to specifically deal with Darkrai. I'm sure you're aware, but for those of you who are wondering why Chesto is superior, is because of the fairly common ScarfRai leads.

If you're using a Lum Berry it can trick its scarf onto you as you use Thunder Wave (your standard opening move). At that point, you will be locked in T-Wave, while Darkrai, having taken and used your Lum Berry will be able to Dark Void, outspeeding you even with your recently-claimed Scarf.

This Ogre doesn't really have TOO many problems with facing down a Thunder Wave anyway as it's already quite slow. I guess there's an argument for Toxic and Will-o-Wisp, but imo Chesto is better in most regards.
 
In the same vein as Lead Groudon, shouldn't Lead Kyogre use a Chesto Berry instead of a Lum Berry to specifically deal with Darkrai. I'm sure you're aware, but for those of you who are wondering why Chesto is superior, is because of the fairly common ScarfRai leads.

If you're using a Lum Berry it can trick its scarf onto you as you use Thunder Wave (your standard opening move). At that point, you will be locked in T-Wave, while Darkrai, having taken and used your Lum Berry will be able to Dark Void, outspeeding you even with your recently-claimed Scarf.

This Ogre doesn't really have TOO many problems with facing down a Thunder Wave anyway as it's already quite slow. I guess there's an argument for Toxic and Will-o-Wisp, but imo Chesto is better in most regards.

Well, generally Kyogre should just surf Darkrai, because most Dakrai will either switch or Dark Void. Meanwhile, Thunder Wave is for the incoming Palkia or Latias that think they are safe when they switch into Surf.
 
Could you say why the 124 HP EVs on the Versatile set are there? I would be inclined to just max out speed, but then that set might as well be combined with the Calm Mind Sweeper set.

Also, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I find the Boosting Tank set to be more common than most of the sets (except the Choice sets and the Calm Mind sweeper). I think it should be the 4th set mentioned - between Calm Mind sweeper and Substitute + Calm Mind (which I never see).
 
Could you say why the 124 HP EVs on the Versatile set are there? I would be inclined to just max out speed, but then that set might as well be combined with the Calm Mind Sweeper set.

Also, I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I find the Boosting Tank set to be more common than most of the sets (except the Choice sets and the Calm Mind sweeper). I think it should be the 4th set mentioned - between Calm Mind sweeper and Substitute + Calm Mind (which I never see).

From reading the analysis, it appears that the 124 HP EVs are just leftover once Kyogre obtains enough speed to "outrun most Rock Polish Groudon." I think they are just leftover EVs for defensive bulk.
 
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