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Flounder wrote most of this. He is going to be away for a few days, so he asked me to fix up the grammar and stuff. I wrote the Team Options section and fixed some wording/grammar and the like. :)

also most of what was changed was the team update stuff, however I did find some errors in other parts ^_^;

www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/weavile

[SET]
name: Revenge Killer
move 1: Pursuit
move 2: Ice Shard
move 3: Brick Break
move 4: Ice Punch / Night Slash
item: Choice Band
nature: Jolly
evs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>At first glance, this Weavile seems to be a generic Choice Bander, but this set functions as insurance against many of the metagame’s top threats. This is mostly thanks to Weavile’s STAB Pursuit, which OHKOes Azelf, Gengar, and Alakazam, even if they stay in. Starmie is also OHKOed by a Pursuit on the switch, letting your Gyarados or Infernape sweep with their counter eliminated.</p>

<p>Weavile's STAB Ice-type attacks allow it to easily OHKO any Dragon-type threatening a sweep, with the exception of Kingdra. Ice Shard is the preferred option on this set, as it handles both Choice Scarf Flygon and Dragon Dance Salamence regardless of their speed. It also kills off Aerodactyl, one of the few Pokemon that naturally outspeeds Weavile. Brick Break OHKOes Tyranitar, whom Weavile can outspeed even after a Dragon Dance, as well as hitting Steel- and Normal-types for super effective damage. Ice Punch takes the last slot, because it's a solid STAB attack that sends Grass- and Flying-types running, and also can 2HKO Heracross. Night Slash is another option for the last slot, as it provides a stronger STAB attack than Pursuit and has good neutral coverage against Pokemon that you’ll be revenge-killing. Aerial Ace is another option, as it will OHKO Heracross and do more damage to most other Fighting-types. This set has dwindled in usage, for good reason. Weavile can't outpace the majority of OU's top threats, like Choice Scarf Heatran, and is easily picked off by Bullet Punch from Scizor, which hits for super effective damage.</p>​

<p>Gyarados and Scizor can be serious threats to this set, especially bulky variants. None of Weavile's attacks do significant damage to either, and both can do serious damage with Stone Edge and Bullet Punch, respectively. Both Scizor and Gyarados fear Rotom-H, who will take most of Scizor's attacks and OHKO with Overheat, and can also hit Gyarados with Thunderbolt. Physically defensive Steel-type Pokemon in general will block this set, however, Rotom-H or Heatran can generally take care of such problems. Choice Scarf Magnezone is a fantastic Scizor counter, as it can come in on a Bullet Punch and OHKO Scizor with Hidden Power Fire while taking minimal damage. Magnezone can also take care of other Steel-types that wall Weavile, such as Skarmory, Forretress, Bronzong, and some Metagross and Jirachi. Celebi and Vaporeon are also good Gyarados counters; nothing Gyarados commonly uses can touch Celebi or Vaporeon and they can defeat or outstall it.</p>


[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Night Slash
move 3: Ice Shard / Ice Punch
move 4: Brick Break
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
nature: Jolly
evs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe​

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Weavile's combination of Speed and power makes it an excellent candidate for sweeping late in the game, when Weavile's counters are weakened or gone altogether.</p>​

<p>Night Slash is a great STAB move that hits most types neutrally, and Brick Break lets Weavile handle Steel-types and Tyranitar. Ice Shard is generally a better option than Ice Punch because it OHKOes the same Pokemon, like Salamence, that you would be hitting with Ice Punch, but allows Weavile to always strike first. It is also helpful against extremely fast Pokemon like Jolteon, who is always OHKOed by +2 Ice Shard after taking Stealth Rock damage. Still, Ice Punch is an option if you want a more powerful attack to use, especially against bulky Ground-types like Hippowdon who take minimal damage from Ice Shard.</p>​

<p>The item choice is somewhat difficult, and largely depends on personal preference. Life Orb is a great option if you can predict what will come in well, but given the popularity of Stealth Rock and Weavile's general frailty, it's not always the best choice. Expert Belt gives your attacks a little extra kick, but it's usually not needed, because anything hit with a Swords Dance boosted super effective attack is going to faint anyway. Lum Berry is another option, as it will let you set up against something like Blissey who would Thunder Wave you, but it has little utility otherwise. Blackglasses and Nevermeltice are also decent options if you don't want Weavile to be taking recoil damage, yet would still like some power behind its low base power STAB attacks.</p>

<p>The greatest issues for this set are Hariyama, Scizor and Weezing. Hariyama resists Night Slash, and Thick Fat prevents Ice Shard or Ice Punch for doing much damage. Hariyama will then dish out damage with Stone Edge or Cross Chop, both of which Weavile fears. Weezing can take anything Weavile throws at it with ease and can cripple it with Will-O-Wisp or Flamethrower. Hariyama can be dispatched with Cresselia, who walls most of Hariyama's attacks and can deal serious damage with Psychic. Jirachi is also a pretty safe bet against Hariyama; it can deal out STAB Psychics and it doesn't take much damage from any of Hariyama's attacks. Weezing and Scizor can be easily taken care of by Heatran, who absorbs Will-O-Wisp and Flamethrower from Weezing and shrugs off Bullet Punches from Scizor. However, Heatran fears Superpower from Scizor, so this makes Gyarados or Rotom-A excellent choices to threaten it.</p>


[SET]
name: Anti-Lead
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Counter
move 4: Night Slash / Ice Punch
item: Focus Sash
nature: Hasty
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Weavile is one of the few Pokemon that can stop the popular "suicide lead," which quickly sets up Stealth Rock and stops the opponent from doing the same. Fake Out is the most important move on the set, as it allows Weavile to break the Focus Sashes on leads such as Aerodactyl, Infernape, and Azelf, whilst keeping its own intact. Night Slash lets you finish off Azelf, while Ice Punch handles Aerodactyl.</p>

<p>The other half of the set, Taunt and Counter, allows Weavile to deal with slower, bulkier Pokemon like Bronzong. First, Taunt to prevent it from using Stealth Rock, Hypnosis, or Trick. Now that it's forced to attack you, Counter back the Gyro Ball for an OHKO. This strategy also works in situations like when facing a lead Gyarados who would normally Dragon Dance from the start, or against Tyranitar where you should probably use Counter before Taunt. This strategy is very risky, especially when facing dangerous leads like Infernape, but if you predict correctly the payoff is enormous.</p>

<p>The occasional Pokemon with Inner Focus can be damaging to this set. In particular, Lucario can tear it apart. Being immune to flinching and resisting Night Slash and Ice Punch, Lucario is free to set up and sweep. Counter provides a solution to this, however Focus Sash can be broken with a weaker move, rendering the Counter strategy useless. Gyarados and Gliscor both make excellent counters to Lucario, resisting attacks from Physical Lucario. Special Lucario – which is much rarer these days – can be dealt with by Blissey and Zapdos, who resist most anything Special Lucario will dish out. Dragonite is also a problem for this set because of Inner Focus, but it can usually be delt with by using Taunt and Counter. Finally, MixPert is a major problem; even if you Taunt it, Swampert could hit you with STAB Hydro Pump, which can't be countered. Celebi makes a fantastic Swampert counter, as it isn't heavily damaged by anything Swampert has, and threatens a OHKO with Grass Knot.</p>


[Team Options]

<p>Because Weavile isn't the most powerful sweeper out there (especially without Swords Dance), entry hazards of your own help it immensely. Entry hazards can turn several 2HKOs into OHKOs. Entry hazards also eliminate Focus Sashes which would lead to Weavile's demise.</p>

<p>For an offensive team, there are several Pokemon that can help deal with Weavile's counters. Starmie, especially Choice Scarf Starmie, easily deals with Gyarados, who takes minimal damage from anything Weavile can dish out. Weavile also has trouble dealing with Hariyama; Azelf and Rotom-A do well against Hariyama or any other Fighting-type that might come along. Rotom-A can burn Hariyama with Will-O-Wisp and do a good amount of damage with Thunderbolt. Azelf does serious damage to Hariyama with STAB Psychic, though Payback will OHKO Azelf even if Hariyama isn't using a Choice Band.</p>

<p>On a more defensive or balanced team, Vaporeon and Celebi support Weavile very well. Both of these Pokemon easily counter Gyarados; Vaporeon can OHKO Gyarados with Hidden Power Electric and Celebi can do heavy damage with Grass Knot or Leaf Storm. Choice Scarf Heatran outspeeds Weavile and can OHKO it with its STAB Fire attacks. Blissey and Tentacruel are good counters to Heatran, though Blissey needs to watch out for Explosion.</p>

<p>Anything that resists Fighting, Steel, and/or Rock is a safe bet to pair with Weavile. Bulky Pokemon are good choices too, as they can take the hits that Weavile cannot.</p>
 
Revenge Killer Set

<p>Gyarados and Scizor can be serious threats to this set. None of Weavile's attacks can touch them, and both can do serious damage with Stone Edge and Bullet Punch, respectively. Both Scizor and Gyarados fear Rotom-H, who will take most of Scizor's attacks and KO with Overheat, and can also hit Gyarados with Thunderbolt. Steel-type Pokemon in general will block this set, however, Rotom-H or Heatran can generally take care of such problems. Choice Scarf Magnezone is a fantastic Scizor counter, as it can come in a Bullet Punch and OHKO Scizor with Hidden Power Fire while taking minimal damage. Celebi and Vaporeon are also good Gyarados counters; nothing Gyarados commonly uses can touch Celebi or Vaporeon and they can defeat or outstall it.</p>


Swords Dance Set

<p>The greatest issues for this set are Hariyama, Scizor and Weezing (Hariyama and Weezing are very rare in OU, I don't think they deserve a mention). Hariyama resists Night Slash, and Thick Fat prevents Ice Shard or Ice Punch for doing much damage. Hariyama will then dish out damage with Stone Edge or Cross Chop, both of which Weavile fears. Weezing can take anything Weavile throws at it with ease and do serious damage with Will-O-Wisp or Flamethrower. Hariyama can be dispatched with Cresselia, who walls most of Hariyama's attacks and can deal serious damage with Psychic. Jirachi is also a pretty safe bet against Hariyama; it can deal out STAB Psychics and it doesn't take much damage from any of Hariyama's attacks. Weezing and Scizor can be easily taken care of by Heatran, who absorbs Will-O-Wisp and Flamethrower from Weezing(remove ,) and rubs off Bullet Punch from Scizor. Although, Heatran fears Superpower (remove to fear) from Scizor, and this makes Gyarados or Rotom-H an excellent choice to threaten it.</p>

Anti-Lead Set

<p>The occasional Pokemon with Inner Focus can be damaging to this set. In particular, Lucario can tear it apart. Being immune to flinching and resisting Night Slash and Ice Punch, Lucario is free to set up and sweep. Counter provides a solution to this, however Focus Sash can be broken with a weaker move, rendering the Counter strategy useless. Gyarados and Gliscor both make excellent counters to Lucario, resisting attacks from Physical Lucario. Special Lucario – which is much rarer ( remove these days) – can be dealt with by Blissey and Zapdos, who resist almost everything Special Lucario will dish out (SpecsLuc isn't used as a lead last time I checked, I would remove it, I'm not sure it should be mentioned imo). Dragonite is also a problem for this set because of Inner Focus, but it can usually be delt with by using Taunt and Counter (Dragonite isn't usually seen as a lead, so I would scrap that). Finally, MixPert is a major problem; even if you Taunt it, Swampert could hit you with STAB Hydro Pump, which can't be countered. Celebi makes a fantastic Swampert counter, as it isn't heavily damaged by anything Swampert has, and threatens a OHKO with Grass Knot.</p>

Team Options

<p>Because Weavile isn't the most powerful sweeper out there (especially without Swords Dance), entry hazards of your own help it immensely. Entry hazards can turn several 2HKOs into OHKOs (show some examples, it will help). Entry hazards also eliminate Focus Sash users which would lead to Weavile's demise.</p>

<p>For an offensive team, there are several Pokemon that can help deal with Weavile's counters. (remove Starmie, especially Choice Scarf) Starmie easily deals with Gyarados, who takes minimal damage from anything Weavile can dish out. Weavile also has trouble dealing with Hariyama; Azelf and Rotom-A do well against Hariyama or any other Fighting-type that might come along. Rotom-A can burn Hariyama with Will-O-Wisp and can do a decent amount of damage with Thunderbolt. Azelf does serious damage to Hariyama with STAB Psychic, though Payback will OHKO Azelf even if Hariyama isn't using a Choice Band.</p>

<p>On a more defensive or balanced team, Vaporeon and Celebi support Weavile very well. Both of these Pokemon easily counter Gyarados; Vaporeon can OHKO Gyarados with Hidden Power Electric (standard Wish set can't OHKO with HP Elec)and Celebi can do heavy damage with Grass Knot or Leaf Storm. Choice Scarf Heatran outspeeds Weavile and can OHKO it with its STAB Fire-type attacks. Blissey and Tentacruel are good counters to Heatran, though Blissey needs to watch out for common Explosion from Heatran.</p>

<p>Anything that resists Fighting, Steel, and/or Rock is a safe bet to pair with Weavile. Bulky Pokemon (like?) are good choices too, as they can take the hits (like?) that Weavile cannot. </p>
 
Gyarados and Scizor can be serious threats to this set. None of Weavile's attacks can touch them
I'm not sold on Gyarados being mentioned here, especially without the pre-fix of 'bulky' or 'restalk.'

339 Atk Ice Punch vs 4/0 Gyarados = 42.77% - 50.60%

Even 156 HP / 100 Def Gyarados takes up to 40% from Ice Punch which doesn't go well with his SR weakness.

Maybe I'm just being anal here though. Gyarados is a decent check to Weavile but I don't like the whole 'Weavile's attacks can't touch him' when that's obviously not true.

EDIT

Maybe mention Magnezone a little more? You've only gave him a passing mention with regards to taking out Scizor but he can also get rid of Forretress, Skarmory, Bronzong, Metagross and some Jirachi all of whom are great Weavile counters/checks. Weavile benefits more from Magnezone support than most.
 
i reallise that you have not edited the "other options" section but maybey aerial ace deserves a mention for its ability to OHKO heracross who would usually survive an ice punch and retaliate with an OHKO from megahorn and close combat in particular not to mention stone edge.

if only other options material it deserves a mention possibly over a secondary ice move, particularly on the "revenge choice" set.
 
Ok, edited in changes for Lee, thanks man.

Also I'll mention Aerial Ace when I upload it.
 
and can cripple with Will-O-Wisp or Flamethrower. Hariyama can be dispatched with Cresselia, who walls most of Hariyama's attacks and can deal serious damage with Psychic
You're saying serious damage alot here.
 
Revenge Killer: Possible mention of Life Orb and Expert Belt, for versatility sake? Expert Belt could play mindgames with your opponent at least and make them assume you're Banded. Life Orb just gives more "oomph" while swapping around attacks. It might require discussion though, but feel free to do it if you'd like.

Just a question: on the Swords Dance set, should Ice Punch > Ice Shard? I know that Ice Shard has its merits (hitting Scarf Flygon, Gengar, hitting Jolteon pretty hard), but STAB Ice Punch still hurts to face against (though Hippowdon might be laughing at you). It's also Weavile's best attack against Gyarados, Heracross, etc.
 
Vaporeon can OHKO Gyarados with Hidden Power Electric
The highest special attack defensive Vaporeon doesn't OHKO, it does 34.94% - 41.57%, while the majority of Vaporeons aren't Modest and Max Special attack (and even then it does a crappy job as next time around it goes down via Stone edge.)
 
Flounder wrote most of this. He is going to be away for a few days, so he asked me to fix up the grammar and stuff. I wrote the Team Options section and fixed some wording/grammar and the like. :)

also most of what was changed was the team update stuff, however I did find some errors in other parts ^_^;

www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/weavile

[SET]
name: Revenge Killer
move 1: Pursuit
move 2: Ice Shard
move 3: Brick Break
move 4: Ice Punch / Night Slash
item: Choice Band
nature: Jolly
evs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>At first glance, this Weavile seems to be a generic Choice Bander, but this set functions as insurance against many of the metagame’s top threats. This is mostly thanks to Weavile's STAB Pursuit, which OHKOes Azelf, Gengar, and Alakazam, even if they stay in. Starmie is also OHKOed by a Pursuit on the switch, letting your Gyarados or Infernape sweep with their counter eliminated.</p>

<p>Weavile's STAB Ice-type attacks allow it to easily OHKO any Dragon-type (removed ",") threatening a sweep, with the exception of Kingdra. Ice Shard is the preferred option on this set, as it handles both Choice Scarf Flygon and Dragon Dance Salamence, regardless of their speed. It also kills off Aerodactyl, one of the few Pokemon that (not sure about this, but it may be "who" instead of "that") naturally outspeeds Weavile. Brick Break OHKOes Tyranitar, whom Weavile can outspeed even after a Dragon Dance, as well as hitting Steel- and Normal-types for super effective damage. Ice Punch takes the last slot, because it's a solid STAB attack that sends Grass- and Flying-types running, and also can 2HKO Heracross. Night Slash is another option for the last slot, as it provides a stronger STAB attack than Pursuit and has good neutral coverage against Pokémon that you'll be revenge-killing. Aerial Ace is another option, as it will OHKO Heracross and do more damage to most other Fighting-types. This set has dwindled in usage, for good reason. Weavile can't outpace the majority of OU's top threats, like Choice Scarf Heatran, and is easily picked off by Bullet Punch from Scizor, which hits for super effective damage (sounds a bit better, but doesn't this sentence contradict your opening of "this set functions as insurance against many of the metagame’s top threats"?).</p>​

<p>Gyarados and Scizor can be serious threats to this set, especially bulky variants. None of Weavile's attacks do significant damage to either, and both can do serious damage with Stone Edge and Bullet Punch, respectively. Both Scizor and Gyarados fear Rotom-H, who will take most of Scizor's attacks and OHKO with Overheat, and can also hit Gyarados with Thunderbolt. Steel-type Pokemon in general will block this set (even with Brick Break?), however, Rotom-H or Heatran can generally take care of such problems. Choice Scarf Magnezone is a fantastic Scizor counter, as it can come in on a Bullet Punch and OHKO Scizor with Hidden Power Fire while taking minimal damage. Magnezone can also take care of other Steel-types that wall Weavile, such as Skarmory, Forretress, Bronzong, and some Metagross and Jirachi. Celebi and Vaporeon are also good Gyarados counters; nothing Gyarados commonly uses can touch Celebi or Vaporeon and they can defeat or outstall it.</p>


[SET]
name: Swords Dance
move 1: Swords Dance
move 2: Night Slash
move 3: Ice Shard / Ice Punch
move 4: Brick Break
item: Life Orb / Expert Belt
nature: Jolly
evs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe​

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Weavile's combination of Speed and power makes it an excellent candidate for sweeping late in the game, when Weavile's counters are weakened or gone altogether.</p>​

<p>Night Slash is a great STAB move that hits most types neutrally, and Brick Break lets Weavile handle Steel-types and Tyranitar. Ice Shard is generally a better option than Ice Punch because it OHKOes the same Pokémon, like Salamence, that you would be hitting with Ice Punch, but allows Weavile to always strike first. It is also helpful against extremely fast Pokémon like Jolteon, who is always OHKOed by +2 Ice Shard after taking Stealth Rock damage. Still, Ice Punch is an option if you want a more powerful attack to use, especially against bulky Ground-types like Hippowdon, who take minimal damage from Ice Shard.</p>​

<p>The item choice is somewhat difficult, and largely depends on personal preference. Life Orb is a great option if you can predict what will come in well, but given the popularity of Stealth Rock (removed ",") and Weavile's general frailty, it's not always the best choice. Expert Belt gives your attacks a little extra kick, but it's usually not needed, because anything hit with a Swords Dance boosted super effective attack is going to faint anyway. Lum Berry is another option, as it will let you set up against something like Blissey who would Thunder Wave you, but it has little utility otherwise. Blackglasses and Nevermeltice are also decent options if you don't want Weavile to be taking recoil damage, yet would still like some power behind its low base power STAB attacks.</p>

<p>The greatest issues for this set are Hariyama, Scizor, and Weezing. Hariyama resists Night Slash, and Thick Fat prevents Ice Shard or Ice Punch for doing much damage. Hariyama will then dish out damage with Stone Edge or Cross Chop, both of which Weavile fears. Weezing can take anything Weavile throws at it with ease and can cripple it with Will-O-Wisp or Flamethrower. Hariyama can be dispatched with Cresselia, who walls most of Hariyama's attacks and can deal serious damage with Psychic. Jirachi is also a pretty safe bet against Hariyama; it can deal out STAB Psychics and it doesn't take much damage from any of Hariyama's attacks. Weezing and Scizor can be easily taken care of by Heatran, who absorbs Will-O-Wisp and Flamethrower from Weezing and shrugs off Bullet Punches from Scizor. However, Heatran fears Superpower from Scizor, so this makes Gyarados or Rotom-A excellent choices to threaten it.</p>


[SET]
name: Anti-Lead
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Taunt
move 3: Counter
move 4: Night Slash / Ice Punch
item: Focus Sash
nature: Hasty
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Weavile is one of the few Pokémon that can stop the popular "suicide lead," which quickly sets up Stealth Rock and stops the opponent from doing the same. Fake Out is the most important move on the set, as it allows Weavile to break the Focus Sashes on leads such as Aerodactyl, Infernape, and Azelf, whilst keeping its own intact. Night Slash lets you finish off Azelf, while Ice Punch handles Aerodactyl.</p>

<p>The other half of the set, Taunt and Counter, allows Weavile to deal with slower, bulkier Pokémon like Bronzong. First, Taunt to prevent it from using Stealth Rock, Hypnosis, or Trick. Now that it's forced to attack you, Counter back the Gyro Ball for an OHKO. This strategy also works in situations like when facing a lead Gyarados who would normally Dragon Dance from the start, or against Tyranitar where you should probably use Counter before Taunt. This strategy is very risky, especially when facing dangerous leads like Infernape, but if you predict correctly the payoff is enormous.</p>

<p>The occasional Pokemon with Inner Focus can be damaging to this set. In particular, Lucario can tear it apart. Being immune to flinching and resisting Night Slash and Ice Punch, Lucario is free to set up and sweep. Counter provides a solution to this, however Focus Sash can be broken with a weaker move, rendering the Counter strategy useless. Gyarados and Gliscor both make excellent counters to Lucario, resisting attacks from Physical Lucario. Special Lucario – which is much rarer these days – can be dealt with by Blissey and Zapdos, who resist most anything Special Lucario will dish out. Dragonite is also a problem for this set because of Inner Focus, but it can usually be delt with by using Taunt and Counter. Finally, MixPert is a major problem; even if you Taunt it, Swampert could hit you with STAB Hydro Pump, which can't be Countered. Celebi makes a fantastic Swampert counter, as it isn't heavily damaged by anything Swampert has, and threatens a OHKO with Grass Knot.</p>


[Team Options]

<p>Because Weavile isn't the most powerful sweeper out there (especially without Swords Dance), entry hazards of your own help it immensely. Entry hazards can turn several 2HKOes into OHKOes. Entry hazards also eliminate Focus Sashes, which would lead to Weavile's demise.</p>

<p>For an offensive team, there are several Pokémon that can help deal with Weavile's counters. Starmie, especially Choice Scarf Starmie, easily deals with Gyarados, who takes minimal damage from anything Weavile can dish out. Weavile also has trouble dealing with Hariyama; Azelf and Rotom-A do well against Hariyama or any other Fighting-type that might come along. Rotom-A can burn Hariyama with Will-O-Wisp and do a good amount of damage with Thunderbolt. Azelf does serious damage to Hariyama with STAB Psychic, though Payback will OHKO Azelf even if Hariyama isn't using a Choice Band.</p>

<p>On a more defensive or balanced team, Vaporeon and Celebi support Weavile very well. Both of these Pokémon easily counter Gyarados; Vaporeon can OHKO Gyarados with Hidden Power Electric and Celebi can do heavy damage with Grass Knot or Leaf Storm. Choice Scarf Heatran outspeeds Weavile and can OHKO it with its STAB Fire attacks. Blissey and Tentacruel are good counters to Heatran, though Blissey needs to watch out for Explosion.</p>

<p>Anything that resists Fighting, Steel, and/or Rock is a safe bet to pair with Weavile. Bulky Pokémon are good choices too, as they can take the hits that Weavile cannot.</p>

Nice job Jimbo and Flounder. Comments in parentheses.
 
Edited in the changes. Some of the stuff was wrong (Counter isn't capitalized), and Pokemon is given the accent with a bot that chaos has so I didn't bother editing in the accents ^_^

Also the plural form of OHKO is OHKOs, the verb is OHKOes. Thanks!
 
I feel that Punishment deserves a slash in the fourth slot for the revenge set. It can be very handy for revenge killing bulky CMers like Jirachi and Suicune. Against a +4 CM Jirachi Punishment reaches its max power of 300 (including STAB) and is a guaranteed OHKO, against a +4 252/252 bold suicune it still deals a respectable 75-88% damage.
 
I feel that Punishment deserves a slash in the fourth slot for the revenge set. It can be very handy for revenge killing bulky CMers like Jirachi and Suicune. Against a +4 CM Jirachi Punishment reaches its max power of 300 (including STAB) and is a guaranteed OHKO, against a +4 252/252 bold suicune it still deals a respectable 75-88% damage.

i think its a bit too situational to warrant a slash in the set, plus we'll get a bit of "slashitis" going on here if we do. I'll agree with you it should definately go in set comments.
 
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