Even with that extra Dragon-, Ice, & Fair-type weakness?
Edit: Could you suggest a bulky Talonflame set?
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Even with that extra Dragon-, Ice, & Fair-type weakness?
Edit: Could you suggest a bulky Talonflame set?
Mega Scizor stops most Latios and Latias, while the other Dragon-types are slower or speed tie with Garchomp and Latias, so it's not such a big issue imo. Greninja can be played around with Mega Scizor ar as well, as if it goes for Ice Beam as you switch into Mega Scizor, it will be vulnerable to Bullet Punch. Try it out, and if you think you are fine stick with it, otherwise keep Mamo and give it Stealth Rock.
Thank-you.
Any suggestion for a bulky Talonflame set?
Edit:
Here's what I changed my Talonflame to:
Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
Tailwind
Brave Bird
Flare Blitz
U-Turn
216 Speed EV's to be a check to Quick Attack Mega Pinsir & outspeed other Talonflame running 208 EV's for QA Mega Pinsir check. I put the leftover 36 EV's into HP & Defense.
Edit 2: Just did a battle where I won, but only had my last Pokemon left. His Talonflame OHKO'd 3 of my Pokemon (Latias, Dragonite, & Scizor maybe (I forget)) and he ran a Natural Gift set.
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Didn't forget about your PM
Ajwf is correct in pointing out that you're Talonflame weak, the lack of a Flying resist is probably this team's biggest flaw, and by extension Mega Pinsir is a little a bit annoying as well, though at least you have enough offensive pressure + Talonflame to make something work. Landorus-T might be an option to consider over Mamo if you want Stealth Rock, though Thundurus is also a good option to consider over Mamo too if you want to forego the rocks entirely. You can run the Nasty Plot + Taunt set which absolutely punishes slower, defensive teams. I noticed that you were looking at a physical Thundurus set which is cool, though Defiant>>>>Prankster in those cases because you get attack boosts from stat drops, which is great if you have a SR user to lure Defog but sadly that isn't the case for you. It destroys Conkeldurr and Venusaur with Fly too, and OHKOes offensive Latias with Knock Off with Rocks up =(
I prefer Outrage over Dragon Claw on my Lum DDnites because Lum can act either as the status protection when the opponent tries to WoW you, or it can act as a protection against confusion if you don't use up your Lum Berry when setting up. I also prefer Earthquake to Fire Punch, because while you lose out against things like Scizor, Earthquake helps you against Aegislash (since Kings shield works against Fire Punch) as well as Heatran, Heatran in particular is pretty annoying to this team because it can stop sweeps easily against Scizor/Dragonite/Talonflame/Latias and force you to bring out your Mamoswine and Greninja--and being as offensive as you are, is not an easy feat.
Thundurus@Leftovers
Timid 252 spa / 252 spe / 4 hp
Thunderbolt/HP Ice/Taunt/Nasty Plot
You can also consider HP Flying on Thundurus which is nice for Venusaur and Conkeldurr, though Ice has uses with OHKOing Gliscor, Chomp and Landorus right off the bat.
Sorry for taking so long, it's been a long week for me x_x
Ajwf is correct in pointing out that you're Talonflame weak, the lack of a Flying resist is probably this team's biggest flaw, and by extension Mega Pinsir is a little a bit annoying as well, though at least you have enough offensive pressure + Talonflame to make something work. Landorus-T might be an option to consider over Mamo if you want Stealth Rock, though Thundurus is also a good option to consider over Mamo too if you want to forego the rocks entirely. You can run the Nasty Plot + Taunt set which absolutely punishes slower, defensive teams. I noticed that you were looking at a physical Thundurus set which is cool, though Defiant>>>>Prankster in those cases because you get attack boosts from stat drops, which is great if you have a SR user to lure Defog but sadly that isn't the case for you. It destroys Conkeldurr and Venusaur with Fly too, and OHKOes offensive Latias with Knock Off with Rocks up =(
I prefer Outrage over Dragon Claw on my Lum DDnites because Lum can act either as the status protection when the opponent tries to WoW you, or it can act as a protection against confusion if you don't use up your Lum Berry when setting up. I also prefer Earthquake to Fire Punch, because while you lose out against things like Scizor, Earthquake helps you against Aegislash (since Kings shield works against Fire Punch) as well as Heatran, Heatran in particular is pretty annoying to this team because it can stop sweeps easily against Scizor/Dragonite/Talonflame/Latias and force you to bring out your Mamoswine and Greninja--and being as offensive as you are, is not an easy feat.
Thundurus@Leftovers
Timid 252 spa / 252 spe / 4 hp
Thunderbolt/HP Ice/Taunt/Nasty Plot
You can also consider HP Flying on Thundurus which is nice for Venusaur and Conkeldurr, though Ice has uses with OHKOing Gliscor, Chomp and Landorus right off the bat.
Sorry for taking so long, it's been a long week for me x_x
Thank-you for your feedback, man - I appreciate it!
Since I'm so Talonflame weak, should I replace Mamoswine with the Rocky Helmet Garchomp that was suggested in above replies? Or would the Thundurus/Landorus be better? I will replace Dragon Claw with Outrage and consider EQ > Fire Punch, although Fire Punch has helped in some crucial plays. Maybe Landorus-T over Mamoswine to teach it EQ instead of replacing Fire Punch on DNite for it?
From what it looks like, Rotom-w is an absolute monster to try and play around. It also looks like Mamoswine is probably the weak link. Mamoswine really doesn't do anything, especially since it makes you heavily reliant on Latias getting Defog off (which wont happen with Deo-D HO). Since you don't run Stealth Rock, I really don't see the point in having Sash Mamo. Because you don't run Stealth Rock, you are weak to the ever common Bird cores running around. Rotom-w is really stupid for you to face as well, as it easily switches in on Talonflame, Mamoswine, Scizor, and even Greninja, with your only option being to hit it with Draco Meteor. Which any good player won't let happen (Draco doesn't even ohko anyway). Needless to say, Mamoswine needs to go (it just allows Rotom W in very easily).
Replacing Mamo with ScarfExcadrill will grant you excellent utility and ability to revenge and take on Talonflame and Mega Pinsir, can beat Rotom-w with EQ, and in general hits hard with STAB Earthquake. Switching Greninja for Rotom-W grants you another excellent "Bird" counter, so you don't have to rely on a speed tie to win. It also takes on Aegislash, allowing you to run U-turn>Knock Off on Scizor, as well as Defog>Swords Dance. Scizor is not as good of a Swords Dance sweeper, and imo is a much better Defogger than a Swords Dance sweeper. Greninja is nice, but two wallbreakers are definitely not needed, as a Bird counter is much more needed. Spreading Burns around helps against things like Landorus-t and Bisharp and whatnot, that might end Dragonite's sweep. Sorry for the short and unexplained rate, I'm kind of pressed for time, and hopefully I will elaborate more if needed. Also sorry for forgetting about your PM o.O
EDIT: Since you should now be running Defog Scizor, running Thunderbolt on Latias helps patch up whatever holes are left, as Defog isnt as needed anymore.
Replacing Mamo with ScarfExcadrill will grant you excellent utility and ability to revenge and take on Talonflame and Mega Pinsir, can beat Rotom-w with EQ, and in general hits hard with STAB Earthquake. Switching Greninja for Rotom-W grants you another excellent "Bird" counter, so you don't have to rely on a speed tie to win. It also takes on Aegislash, allowing you to run U-turn>Knock Off on Scizor, as well as Defog>Swords Dance. Scizor is not as good of a Swords Dance sweeper, and imo is a much better Defogger than a Swords Dance sweeper. Greninja is nice, but two wallbreakers are definitely not needed, as a Bird counter is much more needed. Spreading Burns around helps against things like Landorus-t and Bisharp and whatnot, that might end Dragonite's sweep. Sorry for the short and unexplained rate, I'm kind of pressed for time, and hopefully I will elaborate more if needed. Also sorry for forgetting about your PM o.O
EDIT: Since you should now be running Defog Scizor, running Thunderbolt on Latias helps patch up whatever holes are left, as Defog isnt as needed anymore.
At first, yes. Then I went to Choice Band and now what D-Nite is now.