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Welcome to the sixth installment of the Doubles World Cup! This thread will serve as the place to discuss all things relating to the upcoming Doubles World Cup, including regions, tournament size, eligibility, etc. Most of the following details in this thread will be tentative upon hearing community feedback, and will be finalized before the tournament starts.

Doubles World Cup of Pokémon Six (DWCOP VI) will likely follow the same structure as last year’s tournament. In the first phase players will be placed in pools of 4 with players from other teams, where they must play each of the three other players in their pool in a best of 1 SV DOU match. This pools phase will last two weeks, and will be the qualifying phase for the playoffs. Any substitutions made in the pool phase will continue for the entirety of the pool phase.

The 8 regions with the best record will emerge from the pools and will compete in the playoffs.The #1 seeded team will play the #8, #2 will play the #7, #3 will play the #6 and the #4 will play #5 where each player will play a best of 1 SV DOU match against a player on the opposing team. The team with the best record in this matchup will be the winner. Any ties will result in a tier breaker where 3 players from each team will play a best of 1 SV DOU match.

Last year we had 13 teams with 8 starters and 4 subs on each.

For DWCOP VI, considerings last years numbers, we are looking to have a minimum of 12 teams. Last year we had 13 teams and we’d always like to keep the door open to possible new teams in this edition as well. Teams will be finalized once we have a better idea of signups, but here were the teams last year:
APAC
Brazil
Europe
Canada
China
France
India
Latin America
Iberian Peninsula
US Central
US East
US West
Venezuela


With the US regions divided by the below map:
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Our projected timeline is as follows:
  • Manager & Player Signups to go up on October 12th.
  • Managers will be selected on October 19th.
  • Player signups to close October 26th.
  • Pools to be posted on October 27th.
  • Playoffs to be posted November 10th.
Regarding player eligibility: We are thinking that we will continue the same rules as last year, where players are eligible to play for whatever region they are currently living in (with a verified IP address). However, players that played for a different region last year than what they are currently living in this year are eligible to be “grandfathered” in to their team from last year. This “grandfather” clause will not apply to regions that have been split. For instance, if Europe were to be split between team United Kingdom and the rest of Europe, then all players living in the United Kingdom would only be eligible to play on the U.K. team, not on the team for the rest of Europe, even if they were on team Europe last year.

Use this thread to discuss your thoughts on the tournament, and here are a few questions to get the discussion going:
1. Should there be any changes to team sizes from 8 players and 4 substitutes?
2. Should any additional teams be considered from the 13 that we had last year?
3. How do you feel about the eligibility requirements?
4. Should there be any changes to the tournament structure, whether that’s pool sizes, playoffs size, tiebreakers, or length of the tournament?

Or any other thoughts or feedback you may have!
 
SMB said:
Please let's not do this tournament a full SV DOU tournament for the 4th time
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Free Fairy gens at least. DOU has excellent coverage of oldgens between its forum posts and many tournaments, so even if a region doesn't have a mainer in the format, they should be able to find a slot to get up to speed in the tier relatively easily. We've been doing full SV since 2022, it'd be great to have a shakeup.
 
would support old gens for this iteration

SV DOU seems to be liked well enough for the most part but having a 4th all SV DWC with a really similar meta to last year would be somewhat underwhelming. 5x SV / 1x SS / 1x SM / 1x XY feels appropriate to keep the majority of slots as SV while adding in our more accessible old gens.

otherwise think the tournament is good as is
 
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Oceanian's rise up! surely we get a team this time. (please, please i'm begging you, this is not cope please) (I was informed we are part of APAC and not AIPAC but still oceania team so I have a chance of getting in)
 
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zee said:
Free Fairy gens at least. DOU has excellent coverage of oldgens between its forum posts and many tournaments, so even if a region doesn't have a mainer in the format, they should be able to find a slot to get up to speed in the tier relatively easily. We've been doing full SV since 2022, it'd be great to have a shakeup.
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I just don't see this to be true, and introducing fairy gens will unfairly penalize the less active regions (i.e. a Venezuela or Brazil). Most of the players on these teams (at least according to roster construction from last year) only have meaningful experience in SV DOU and getting the slot up to speed becomes considerably harder when you realize most of the ladders for these oldgen DOU formats are dead and all basically all meta progression in these tiers happens in tournament. It seems considerably prohibitive to get in shape, especially when there was no indication that some of these players would have to learn new, very different formats until 2 weeks before the tournament happens. Expecting teams to "figure it out" or risk having 3 sack slots in pools seems quite disadvantageous to the competitive integrity of the tournament (pools especially). This combined with the fact that Team India may not even exist this year means that it may be hard to near impossible to field 12 teams with 3 competitive old gens slots. For the sake of accessibility, I believe the tournament should stay 8 SV.
 
srvoltmike said:
I just don't see this to be true, and introducing fairy gens will unfairly penalize the less active regions (i.e. a Venezuela or Brazil). Most of the players on these teams (at least according to roster construction from last year) only have meaningful experience in SV DOU and getting the slot up to speed becomes considerably harder when you realize most of the ladders for these oldgen DOU formats are dead and all basically all meta progression in these tiers happens in tournament. It seems considerably prohibitive to get in shape, especially when there was no indication that some of these players would have to learn new, very different formats until 2 weeks before the tournament happens. Expecting teams to "figure it out" or risk having 3 sack slots in pools seems quite disadvantageous to the competitive integrity of the tournament (pools especially). This combined with the fact that Team India may not even exist this year means that it may be hard to near impossible to field 12 teams with 3 competitive old gens slots. For the sake of accessibility, I believe the tournament should stay 8 SV.
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I think the same can be said in regards to having 8 SV slots. If there are 8 SV slots there will be old gen mainers being forced into playing a format they aren't experienced in. I don't think the goal of the tournament structure should be to give the underdogs a boost. Having old gens further increases their accessibility as it means there is another tour to play them in, and with that will come more resources. It is also not impossible to simply ask for games to gain practice. I also believe that if one is competent in one format, they can pick up another with a little bit of practice. Zee is one of the best xy players on the site and they did not main the format since its conception. More tiers aside from SV makes the tour more interesting to watch and is better for the game as a whole and I heavily advocate for such a thing.
 
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