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NOC Everchanging Mafia - Game thread - Night 5!

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Peum said:
I warned mayor like 2 times that if they didnt claim they were openly admitting to being mafia, they didnt claim so they must be mafia
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I think this is the problem that Phoopes has with my argument, which is fair. I explained it like I would do to a 5 year old (What phoopes asked for), I could be tunneling on ECat, but my point consists in that ECat either is mafia or that he wasn't reading the thread, and those two reasons are enough for me to vote him, If he's town he is playing as Anti-Town or didnt read my posts. And having town not read the thread or letting people get away with it is how you get cases like last game Neon.
 
Peum said:
I think this is the problem that Phoopes has with my argument, which is fair. I explained it like I would do to a 5 year old (What phoopes asked for), I could be tunneling on ECat, but my point consists in that ECat either is mafia or that he wasn't reading the thread, and those two reasons are enough for me to vote him, If he's town he is playing as Anti-Town or didnt read my posts. And having town not read the thread or letting people get away with it is how you get cases like last game Neon.
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fwiw (actually no one's calling us lol easy to post) if ECat is town idt it's from a lack of reading thread, I think it's from a lack of trust in your mech and having other ideas of what the optimal path is

unfortunately it would have just been a bad call, because you were right about the mech x3
 
yeah tbh I think that's a perspective slip, his scumbuds didn't tell him it was beneficial and he wasn't properly engaging with thread bc D1 is usually pointless

which is good bc it makes it likelier he's scum, and he's dying today anyway lol
 
active scumchats win games folks, if you knew ECat was the mayor you should've helped him out lmao

maybe the whole scumteam was less active D1, this will be fun to tinfoil if ECat flips scum
 
Westcraft said:
Basically, the logic behind knowing who Mayor is early is just so that we don't lose information. Even if the chains for each role can only tell us so much, the knowledge that only one pair of people next to each other can be scum could be important information. Basically, for role passing, if two people have a role passed directly between them twice at any point, both of them are fully clear from being scum. Technically we have to contend with scum possibly messing with that information, but it's some nice information to have.

I'm starting to think that maybe claiming mayor the day you have it isn't a great idea 100% of the time. In the case that the player who has mayor has another role, being forced to claim mayor does either one of two things. It either forces them to use the mayor ability (when most of the time they'd probably rather use their other ability), or it tells the mafia that they likely have another role and they should kill them that night. If they have tracker technically Doc can save them, but that's a coin flip in an already unlikely scenario. I think with the knowledge that the people who passed the abilities will know who they passed to we'll probably have most of the information (assuming people actually come forward).

Unlike some of the other people, I was never fully sold on the idea of voting you as mafia 100%, but it's the information we have for now. For now I think it's still the safest play for us, but I'm less confident. Your reasoning makes enough sense for me and it lines up with the stuff we heard earlier. I'd need a veteran player or two to do a soul read to be honest, but it sounds genuine. That's my read, but we have time to discuss more.
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Sure, I did take the role chains into account to clear people.

It’s the first thing that comes to mind when you read that the mafia can’t pass it among themselves more than once. But honestly, it seems to me more like a rule meant to balance the game than a mechanic you can really exploit to the town’s advantage to clear people.

If I pass the role to someone and that person passes it back to me, it means that one of the two of us is not mafia. That’s not *that* much information, and you need two days to test it. If you involve more than two people in the chain, you’ll probably want to involve the Protector; the mafia could just try to kill so it can’t be verified. The mafia could even have the role and pass it to someone they’re going to kill so it bounces back, assuming I understood correctly how passing works.

And well, about saying that I’m the Mayor, I was going to say it today anyway. I didn’t really see much difference.
 
Peum said:
its as simple as mafia doesnt get any benefits from mayor claiming, town does. So just claim or you're playing as anti-town.
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idk, being able to read where the winds are blowing wrt the lynch is a pretty major component of playing scum. If you can reasonably expect a certain player is going to get lynched, you want to distance yourself from that. Often you will want to push a specific player into getting lynched. Knowing that one person's vote weighs more is a significant benefit. Of course the REAL benefit is to have that knowledge privately -- but still, I think scum would rather know than not know, even if it's public knowledge.

I do still think, in the scenario where it doesn't show in the votals, the pro-town play is to reveal. But it's not an obvious result of basic game theory. You have to weigh the relative value of mafia knowing that info versus town knowing that info. I can certainly imagine a situation where the town mayor manages to bait mafia into behaving in a scummy way by misleading them about what the lynch is going to be.
 
ElectricityCat said:
By that I meant I read all the post but I didn't find that information.
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Quotes are not working that good for me on phone. When I said that I wanted to reply to this message:

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(I didn't remeber quoting post being that hard)
 
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