Experimenting in Ubers (my first try at the metagame)

HotPocket

Experimenting in Ubers (my first shot at the metagame)

I don't really care if your harsh about the team because I tried to follow the Uber guide as best as I could without copying anything so I am open to all suggestions

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Deoxys-A @ Focus Sash
Hasty Nature - Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA/ 252 Spe

Stealth Rocks
Extremespeed
Grass Knot
Superpower

A good starter to screw up my opponents lead and set up stealth rocks. Sorta the Uber equivalent of a suicide lead. Moveset by Fabbles.

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Latias @ Soul Dew
Timid Nature - Levitate
EVs: 112 HP/ 204 SpA/ 192 Spe

Recover
Calm Mind
Thunder
Dragon Pulse

A bulky calm minder that takes care of Kyogre as well as many other threats Blissey can't handle. Using Thunder over Grass Knot for coverage over steels.

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Darkrai @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature - Bad Dreams
EVs: 52 HP/ 252 SpA/ 204 Spe

Special Rend
Dark Void
Focus Blast
Dark Pulse

Yum! An excellent revenge killer with coverage to boot! Out-speeds many of my opponent's scarfers as well.

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature - Natural Cure
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Def/ 252 SpD

Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
Softboiled
Thunder Wave

Pretty standard Uber Blissey. Walls special attacks. Two special walls because of the frightening amount of special attackers in Ubers.

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Giratina @ Leftovers
Bold Nature - Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 SpA

Rest
Sleep Talk
Calm Mind
Dragon Pulse

Thinking of switching this to a sleep-talking wall with Will-O-Wisp as I am worried about carrying a 3rd Calm Minder. Status taker and physical wall.

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Dialga @ Expert Belt
Quiet Nature - Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/ 136 Atk / 252 SpA

Draco Meteor
Thunder
Fire Blast
Brick Break

My wall-breaker on this team. Capable of really damaging my opponents team. Expert Belt because Dialga is bulky enough to with-stand a good hit or two and Life Orb doesn't help that ability. Caelum recommended putting Stealth Rocks on Dialga and I am not incredibly sure about this so further input is nice.

So, please help in any way you can Smogon. Thanks in advance :pimp:
 
I want him to have Nasty Plot, but you can't post tutor moves on the RMT boards -_- (as of now)

Darkrai is too predictable as a lead and I sorta like the set I have for him now (he isn't meant to use the Calm Mind as a bulky user but instead use it as a sweeper)

But, to take this in mind, is the Darkrai set I am using able to outspeed Choice Scarf Kyogre?


(Also, why wide lens? Darkrai already has Dark Void which is 90% accuracy)
 
well expert belt isnt really helping because Latias will outstall you anyways. i dont beleive it outspeeds CS Kyogre. But as I said; dont lead with Latias. Make it like Wobbuffet or something
 
Yeah with Life Orb it will hit better but ruin the whole bulk theory with calm minds so its a hard dicesion.

Yea if you lead with Wobbuffet its almost a guarenteed kill.
 
Except if my opponent leads with some anti-lead like Dialga, then Wobbufett gets poisoned

(anyways, is there any particular pokemon that my team has an absolutely deadly weakness to?)
 
Scizor; it fails in ubers. Also Deoxys-A will be outrunning you and I dont beleive you will OHKO it with Quick Attack. But it can OHKO you with HP Fire or Fire punch
 
Is it really that bad in Ubers?

Anyways, that is why I am thinking about Occa Berry on Scizor so that he can take fire attacks and OHKO with pursuit (switching out or not, it doesn't matter)
 
The thing is it doesnt really have a counter besides Arceus and Deoxys-S. But arceus is too strong; maybe you could have a scarf Darkrai.
 
First off, let's get Stealth Rock on Dialga. Put it over Dragon claw. Stealth Rock is vital in a metagame where Focus Sash is abused like it is in ubers. Now, the Occa Berry is unneeded on Scizor. Kyogre is so common that you won't need it with those EVs. Life Orb on Scizor as well. It needs that extra power in ubers. You need Roost to continually switch into Darkrai & Lati@s, put it over Brick Break since you have it on Dialga to combat duel-screen users. Your team lacks speed as well. Let's put a Scarf on Darkrai. Also, Darkrai learns Ice Beam, why are you bothering with HP Ice? Counter Blissey doesn't work well. The main physical offensive threats in ubers are Groudon, Rayquaza, Bulk Up Dialga, Metagross all of whom are going to set up on Blissey or just Explode on it (in the case of Metagross) and kill you before you can counter anyway. Plus, no special defense EVs is a no no on uber Blissey. Run the standard uber spread of Calm, 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef. Let's run Icy Wind / Toxic / Softboiled / Seismic Toss or Thunderwave. Also, for Giratina just run Bold, 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD. The 16 special attack don't do anything.

It's actually not a bad team at all. My small fixes will actually help improve it a lot. good luck.
 
BeastlyTyson said:
Scizor; it fails in ubers. Also Deoxys-A will be outrunning you and I dont beleive you will OHKO it with Quick Attack. But it can OHKO you with HP Fire or Fire punch
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Sciczor does not fail in Ubers. Have you ever played with it? HotPocket use the Uber trapper set, it's quite effective in Ubers. And with Kyogres being everywhere Fire desn't do a lot.
 
If you want a doexys-a counter, then consider the following.

Metagross@Lum berry
6 HP/252 Atk/252 speed
Clear Body
-Bullet Punch
-Pursuit
-Meteor Mash/Explosion
-Earthquake
 
Deoxys-S in uber is never offensive anyway. If deoxys-S is in ubers it's going to be duel-screen anyway and Scizor's quick attack does fine against offensive Deoxys-A.
 
Caelum said:
First off, let's get Stealth Rock on Dialga. Put it over Dragon claw. Stealth Rock is vital in a metagame where Focus Sash is abused like it is in ubers. Now, the Occa Berry is unneeded on Scizor. Kyogre is so common that you won't need it with those EVs. Life Orb on Scizor as well. It needs that extra power in ubers. You need Roost to continually switch into Darkrai & Lati@s, put it over Brick Break since you have it on Dialga to combat duel-screen users. Your team lacks speed as well. Let's put a Scarf on Darkrai. Also, Darkrai learns Ice Beam, why are you bothering with HP Ice? Counter Blissey doesn't work well. The main physical offensive threats in ubers are Groudon, Rayquaza, Bulk Up Dialga, Metagross all of whom are going to set up on Blissey or just Explode on it (in the case of Metagross) and kill you before you can counter anyway. Plus, no special defense EVs is a no no on uber Blissey. Run the standard uber spread of Calm, 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef. Let's run Icy Wind / Toxic / Softboiled / Seismic Toss or Thunderwave. Also, for Giratina just run Bold, 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD. The 16 special attack don't do anything.

It's actually not a bad team at all. My small fixes will actually help improve it a lot. good luck.
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Thank you, I will get right on that

I will try (I guess) stealth rocks on Dialga, but I am not sure it will work too well...

I will make those changes right away


sora13 said:
If you want a doexys-a counter, then consider the following.

Metagross@Lum berry
6 HP/252 Atk/252 speed
Clear Body
-Bullet Punch
-Pursuit
-Meteor Mash/Explosion
-Earthquake
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This was meant for the OU metagame, not the Uber metagame

In the Uber metagame, you won't need Lum Berry for stopping Deoxys-A and you will need a heck of a lot more Sp. Def EVs


EDIT: I don't think I really need two revenge killers in my team (Scizor and Darkrai) sense I gave Darkrai a scarf so in comes SubDeoxys-A
 
HotPocket said:
I don't really care if your harsh about the team because I tried to follow the Uber guide as best as I could without copying anything so I am open to all suggestions

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Latias @ Soul Dew
Timid Nature - Levitate
EVs: 112 HP/ 204 SpA/ 192 Spe

Recover
Calm Mind
Grass Knot
Dragon Pulse

My lead. My thoughts behind this are to try to stop Kyogre in general and to get a calm mind in. Also is the secondary taker of Special Attacks on this team.

Consider taking out some sp.atk EVs for some Sp.Def EV's, to help deal with Kyogre's attacks better.
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Darkrai @ Choice Scarf
Timid Nature - Bad Dreams
EVs: 52 HP/ 252 SpA/ 204 Spe

Special Rend
Thunder
Focus Blast
Dark Pulse

Yum! An excellent revenge killer with coverage to boot! Out-speeds many of my opponent's scarfers as well.

There isn't any point using Darkrai over Mewtwo for revenge killing unless it knows Dark Void, since Mewtwo has a better movepool to work with, and better special attack and speed. Though I do suppose you can use that to your advantage, as everyone always expects Dark Void.

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Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature - Natural Cure
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 Def/ 252 SpD

Seismic Toss
Icy Wind
Softboiled
Toxic

Pretty standard Uber Blissey. Walls special attacks. Two special walls because of the frightening amount of special attackers in Ubers.

This thing will help you too much in an uber battles. But bare in mind that many things can easily handle Blissey's seismic tosses and in turn wall it.

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Giratina @ Leftovers
Bold Nature - Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 6 SpA

Rest
Sleep Talk
Calm Mind
Dragon Pulse

Thinking of switching this to a sleep-talking wall with Will-O-Wisp as I am worried about carrying a 3rd Calm Minder. Status taker and physical wall.

CM Giratina is good, if you can get it to set up. However, it is quite difficult to set up, and is easily walled. Also Giratina in general is inferior to Lugia in a non-Arceus environment.

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Dialga @ Expert Belt
Quiet Nature - Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/ 136 Atk / 252 SpA

Draco Meteor
Thunder
Stealth Rocks / Dragon Claw / Fire Blast
Brick Break

My wall-breaker on this team. Capable of really damaging my opponents team. Expert Belt because Dialga is bulky enough to with-stand a good hit or two and Life Orb doesn't help that ability. Caelum recommended putting Stealth Rocks on Dialga and I am not incredibly sure about this so further input is nice.

Mix-Dialga is a pure pain to counter, and is a welcome addition to any offensive team. In fact, I should put mine back in my team again.... I would say to give it Fire Blast, but your team doesn't carry Groudon so SR or Dragon Claw works.
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Scizor @ Life Orb
Adamant Nature - Technician
EVs: 176 HP / 100 Atk / 176 SpD/ 56 Spe

Roost
Pursuit
Quick Attack
U-Turn

Helps my Darkrai sweep later by taking out Deoxys-A and other frail, but fast sweepers on my opponents team. Life Orb for an extra power boost. Roost to heal off Life Orb damage and miscellaneous attacks.

I have little experience with Scizor in general, so I don't know what to do here.

So, please help in any way you can Smogon. Thanks in advance :pimp:
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Comment in bold. Decent build, but your team lacks something that can sweep with immense power. A lot of your pokemon use boosting moves, or have exchanged power for speed, so consider putting in something that can cause a big dent in the opponents team. CB Groudon wouldn't be so bad, as you can use a physical sweeper, and can use the sunlight to your advantage with Dialga Fire Blasts, and to help neuter the teams who just can't say no to Kyogre.
 
CM Giratina is good, if you can get it to set up. However, it is quite difficult to set up, and is easily walled. Also Giratina in general is inferior to Lugia in a non-Arceus environment.
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I disagree with this statement 101%

CM Giratina is not hard to set up. Couple of guys you can set up on are Groudon, Rest/Talk Kyogre, non Whirlwind Lugia, Blissey (yes, Blissey), Heracross (kind of), Ho-oh (Punishment owns you though, so get a Stealth Rock up if you plan to do so), Choiced attacks that Gira resists bar Specs Water Spout, Jirachi, etc...

It is not walled with ease. Okay...you have Tyranitar and Metagross, but those are about it. Metagross is a really shaky one here as meteor Mash/Ice Punch may not 3HKO and thus giving Giratina the potential to pass. Don't say Dialga, because it really doesn't stop CMTina, unless it has Specs or something.

Giratina is no way inferior to Lugia in the Arceusless uber metagame. Sure, he doesn't stop Rayquaza like Lugia does, but Giratina has more useful resistances (and immunity to Rapid Spin/Explosion) and is capable of sweeping.
 
Alright, after looking over the team I have a few qualms about it, many of them the same as brought up Caelum.

Stealth Rock is the most important move in the game, and that does not change in Ubers. Latias does not do well as a lead in my experience. Try this for a lead, as sub Deoxys-a often then not will be too much of a gimmick. The second move in this set is really up to preference, but I find x-speed the move that lets you start off the game much better vs other Deoxys-a leads.

Lead Deoxys-A @ Focus Sash
Hasty Nature - Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA/ 252 Spe

Stealth Rock
Extreemespeed / Ice Beam / Shadow Ball
Grass Knot
Superpower

For Latias, I ALWAYS run Thunder as its really pointless to lose your best counter to some things just because a Pursuit steel comes in and makes you loose it. Without rain Thunder is a little less questionable but I would still use Thunder over Grass Knot as Giratina should be handling Groudon just fine.

For Darkrai, I would indeed add Dark Void over Thunder as Latias and Blissey should be stopping Kyogre and Manaphy just fine.

For Blissey, I would highly recommend using Thunder Wave. 1/2 of your team gets outrun by nearly every pokemon used in the metagame even if they only use 4 speed EVs. Thunder Wave also gives Latias and Giratina free turns to set up with Calm Mind.

Giratina and Dialga look fine, and keep Fire Blast on Dialga.

Overall Thoughts: Ubers is such a speed driven metagame based on how fast you can set up. I am worried because things such as SD Rayquaza and Mix Palkia with Rain Support can topple this team without much effort. Again, you can play around these but the threat is constantly there.

Good luck Ubering, hope I helped.
 
Thank you, I guess I should use Stealth Rocks then...

Deoxys's movepool is so big, I am going to fool around with it until I get something I like, I will use your set for now though (I don't really have much to clean-up sweep now though)
 
Jibaku said:
I disagree with this statement 101%

CM Giratina is not hard to set up. Couple of guys you can set up on are Groudon, Rest/Talk Kyogre, non Whirlwind Lugia, Blissey (yes, Blissey), Heracross (kind of), Ho-oh (Punishment owns you though, so get a Stealth Rock up if you plan to do so), Choiced attacks that Gira resists bar Specs Water Spout, Jirachi, etc...

It is not walled with ease. Okay...you have Tyranitar and Metagross, but those are about it. Metagross is a really shaky one here as meteor Mash/Ice Punch may not 3HKO and thus giving Giratina the potential to pass. Don't say Dialga, because it really doesn't stop CMTina, unless it has Specs or something.

Giratina is no way inferior to Lugia in the Arceusless uber metagame. Sure, he doesn't stop Rayquaza like Lugia does, but Giratina has more useful resistances (and immunity to Rapid Spin/Explosion) and is capable of sweeping.
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Well I sort of have to disagree. Sure it can set up on pokes, but other pokes can also set up on it. The problem with CM Giratina is there are only 4 moveslots. It is pretty much required to use rest/talk which means it can only use dragon pulse, unless you don't mind not being able to do anything for 2 turns, which can be a big problem. Its also slow, and it takes quite a bit to set up as well. I've tested it myself, and just can't get it to really work.

Well as a wall, Giratina's problem is that it is a dragon type. Most physical sweepers are dragons or at least use dragon moves which can hurt as it switches in, and special dragon and ice moves, which are everywhere is a problem as well. Lugia's typing gives it neutralities to virtually all physical attacks, and can set up reflect, has a good recovery move, and is also quite fast. Not to also mention its very high sp.def score. Lugia can CM too, but its not quite as effective as other CM'ers.

I'm not trying to make Giratina sound bad, its just my point of view that without extremespeed Arceus around, it just isn't as useful, thats all.
 
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