What would generally be the most beneficial EV spread for a Modest Exploud, focus on HP or Speed? Looking at some old analysis' 188 Speed EV's would beat positive natured base 50's but is that even relevant now? Of course there won't be a definite answer until the meta shifts but I'd just like to have an outside opinion other than the OP before EV-training this Modest Exploud I just bred.
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Pokémon Exploud
- Thread starter Keldeo1997
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I dont think anyone is running positive nature 50s
Lol Guess so. What ever I'll just go max HP, it'll be a wall breaker anyway.
I just had a battle on Showdown where this build did help me switch on a wall Pokemon's attack so yeah. By the way, Boomburst is supposed to hit through subs right? Not the case on showdown.
Showdown is buggy as fuck right now
Give it some time, this is still a beta period :P
As for Exploud and his speed, wouldn't the Gen 5 "standard" spread of 188 EVs there with a positive nature be alright? Or maybe 252 with a neutral, so it outspeeds walls?
Why outspeed walls? If they outspeed and sub that only helps you
I just wanna say, I've faced an Exploud or two and it was incredibly underwhelming. Boomburst was really strong even on resisted mons (I wasn't running a Ghost on the team in question), but it went down super easily too. Honestly, I don't think all the Boomburst hype makes it worth using, at least in OU.
Well, my point of view is that walls generally won't be usin substitute that much, xcept maybe some boostin ones. Subs are usually expected on pokes that can force a switch, so to ease prediction, prevent revenge killin, and set up. But either way, even if you'd outspeed a wall that, say, uses substitute, and said wall uses it, it still lost 25% in vain. (Then again, doubt anythin would try to substitute in front of this guy.)
I don't expect Exploud to be used successfully to the OU tier imo, I was talkin about lower tiers. But, you do have a valid point. Tho I think this still needs some research to see the sweet-spot of bulk/minimum speed that will be needed.
I've been doing some testing on wifi and Exploud- unfortunately has been a little underwhelming. I was expecting something that would be a possible OU candidate, although most likely high end UU.. I think he'll probably become a UU, but not a top pick for that tier.
Some points I will make however-
-With 252hp/252 SAtk he's surprisingly bulky, he can go toe to toe with most weakened pokemon thanks to that.
-Item choice is actually hard on him, Life Orb is probably my #1 atm, although both Assault Vest and Choice Specs provide some useful options.
-If he had any resistances he'd be so much better, even with an Ass Vest he's not easily switched in, which is a pain- saying this however not much will want to switch in to him either.
-Bulldoze provides an interesting option, I've been using it in my filler 4th slot (over Ice Beam) and it allows him some added utility.
Food for thought.
Some points I will make however-
-With 252hp/252 SAtk he's surprisingly bulky, he can go toe to toe with most weakened pokemon thanks to that.
-Item choice is actually hard on him, Life Orb is probably my #1 atm, although both Assault Vest and Choice Specs provide some useful options.
-If he had any resistances he'd be so much better, even with an Ass Vest he's not easily switched in, which is a pain- saying this however not much will want to switch in to him either.
-Bulldoze provides an interesting option, I've been using it in my filler 4th slot (over Ice Beam) and it allows him some added utility.
Food for thought.
Choice Specs Exploud + Max Speed Greninja with Mat Block will be deadly in Doubles.
Does it hit hard enough with timid choice scarf? Sorry for a bit unsubstantial post
Unfortunately we don't know in which tier it will end, but considering his stats and defenses, I put him against one of the classic RU walls; Amoonguss
Choice Scarf 252 SpA Exploud Boom Burst vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Amoonguss: 256-303 (59.25 - 70.13%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Exploud Boom Burst vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Amoonguss: 367-433 (84.95 - 100.23%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Exploud Boom Burst vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Amoonguss: 423-498 (97.91 - 115.27%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
So, yeah, it's a heavy loss of power.
This OP is exceptionally hard to read + follow, and this belongs in the old mon discussion thread anyway. Locking,
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