Extremely offensive Rain team! (Royal Blue)

I know I'm not good at making an RMT, and I know not many people will give advice for this team, but I might as well anyways.

I used to have a defensive team, but the team wasn't really that great, and the battles with that team were usually around 50 - 65 turns long on Pokemon Showdown. I also didn't really like the "gimmick" around the team since it doesn't work well.


Team at a Glance
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Team Building Process
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Obviously politoed is part of this team. It can set up rain permanently, and that is essential for rain team, isn't it? Not to mention, it has great defence stats too

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Poilitoed and Thundurus-T go great with each other. Not only does Thundurus-T enable a safe electric switch in, it also gets a STAB Thunder with 100% accuracy. Although, its weakness to rock and ice is something notable about Thundurus-T.

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Keldeo is great for countering those ice and rock weaknesses with Thundurus-T. I also need a physical sweeper For this team that could take good use of rain like Thundurus-T.

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Since it will be in rain, I don't really need to worry about the fire weakness THAT much. Sure, it is 4x weak to fire in which pokemon like infernape or an offensive heatran could OHKO it, but, hey, it's still a great sweeper.

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Kabutops might be RU and have mediocre stats, and also having Swift Swim banned with Drizzle, but I especially love the set I used since it is almost as good as having Swift Swim as the ability, since the new ability is Weak Armor. It doesn't have Rapid spin anymore, though, so I don't have a spinner on this team anymore.

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The last pokemon, Latios, is here because I needed a good scarfed pokemon to take out opposing threats. There are lots of pokemon that Latios takes care of since it is scarfed. Also, another reason is because its ability, levitate, enables it to only take in Stealth Rock damage, which could come in handy since I don't have a spinner.

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I dumped Keldeo since I didn't really need it, because I have Kabutops as the psychical sweeper that has a water STAB and possibly have SuperPower or Rock Smash on Scizor, with Ferrothorn. Ferrothorn like scizor, doesn't really like fire that much; but I think it's okay since I have kabutops, latios, and Politoed as safe switch-ins. Ferrothorn can also set up entry hazards for the team.



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Politoed @ Choice Specs
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Hydro Pump + STAB + Choice Specs + Rain + Modest Nature + Max SAtk = TOTAL PWNAGE! Hydro Pump insanely powerful because of all those things, and is NEVER anything to underestimate. The only withdraw about it, though, is its low 80% accuracy, but I chose Hydro Pump because Politoed is pretty bulky, and can survive a few hits anyway. Ice Beam is for dragons and other pokemon, and Focus Blast OHKOs ferrothorn, and lots of other pokemon who could just wall all the attacks. The last move, HP Grass, is basically there to stop pokemon like Gastrodon, though not used in OU that much, is still annoying since rain will be up and it will soak in all the water attacks. Obviously, Politoed is a huge part of this team. It sets up rain, and is a terrific special sweeper in rain. It stops pokemon like ferrothorn ,who are common in OU now, and pokemon like skarmory or obamasnow who would lead to set up spikes or another weather. The main reason why I chose Rain over Sandstorm, Sunny Day, and Hail, is because Politoed shuts down Sandstorm teams with Hail, stops Hail teams with focus Blast, and can shut down Sunny Day teams as well, if the Rain is up anyway. I'm also pretty sure a Modest Nature Hydro Pump with Max Special Attack and Choice Specs could KO a Ninetales even in the Sunny Day. Overall, Politoed is an insanely great pokemon to have on this team. Not to mention, its great bulk enables it to survive a few hits from pokemon and still KO with a move.


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Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Expert Belt/ Life Orb
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Grass Knot
- Volt Switch


Ah, Thundurus-T. Before pokemon Black and White 2 came out, Thundurus on Rain teams for me was usually a support set with Prankster. Now that Thundurus is banned from OU, Thundurus-T with a more offensive set would do. Not only is Thundurus-T a great partner with Politoed, soaking in all Electric attacks Laughing at them, but it can also take advantage of the Rain with Thunder, and can bluff a choice Specs with Expert Belt. Life orb is good too, but I prefer Expert Belt since Thundurus-T is pretty frail, I would want it to survive as many attacks as possible. Besides, Thunder and STAB is already powerful enough, even if I can bait Electric attacks and switch into Thundurus-T, I prefer Thunder. Thunder, being its main STAB move, is quite good, obviously. It gets its 70% accuracy boosted up to 100% accuracy due to Rain, and wrecks many teams that aren't prepared for it. HP Ice is there for pokemon like Latios, or other pokemon who would think it is a Choice Specs set because it is super effective and boosted by Expert Belt. Grass Knot, like Hidden Power Grass on Politoed, is there for pokemon like Swampert, or Gastrodon. Finally, Volt Switch is great for switching in and out of matches. If I predict a switch, no problem, just go for Volt Switch! It also get's STAB, which is good, too. Thunderus-T is another great pokemon to have on this team. Any Rain team I have, I'll always have Politoed and Thundurus-T together. They just work so well together. Politoed even counters rock types, which Thundurus-T is 4x weak to.


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Scizor @ Leftovers
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet
Punch
- Rock Smash / Roost
- U-Turn / Pursuit


Scizor, it has great Attack, but not so much speed. He has Bullet Punch, which has priority, so why bother, putting Speed investment anyway? That's why this is a more Bulky set for Scizor. I'm not really sure what sets Smogon has, since I try and use my own sets, but I think Smogon has a set like this. Anyways, Swords Dance on a Scizor just completely WRECKS pokemon with Bullet Punch, which gets STAB. The reason why I don't have superpower on this thing, is like I said, a more defensive set, and I don't want its defenses going down, which is why I have Rock Smash, and is also boosted by Technician, like Bullet Punch. Roost, is great because with max HP, Scizor can survive a few hits, roost up, and Swords Dance again. For the last two moves I have, U-turn Is there for switches, but since Scizor is incredibly slow, and I don't want to lose the boosts from Swords Dance, I would go with Pursuit instead. Pursuit stops pokemon from switching out,, and with all the boosts Scizor can get, it can even OHKO pokemon too. I find a bulky Scizor more effective than a Choice Band Scizor is because I can roost up, and change my moves if I need to, but I'll just keep spamming Bullet Punch like an idiot because that's what every Scizor does, now doesn't it?.

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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Stealth Rock

- Leech Seed / Spikes / Power Whip
- Gyro Ball
- Protect


Ferrothorn, while isn't really a sweeper, is a great support pokemon to have. Ferrothorn is basically here to set up Stealth Rock, Spikes, or Leech Seed. It also has a great Attack stat, too. First off, Stealth Rock, and Spikes are great entry hazards to set up, and entry hazards are always great once they're set up, and Leech Seed is great for getting health back and with Leftovers I get more health too. Now for the moves, Power Whip and Gyro Ball are the attacking moves. I chose A Relaxed nature because Ferrothorn is slow anyway. It would be stupid to put anything else lowering speed. After all, I do have Gyro Ball on this too. Lastly, Protect is there for extra Leech Seed and Leftovers recovery, and can scout moves too. The reason why I have Ferrothorn over Ferrotress is because I already have a Steel / Bug type on this team. I also chose Ferrothorn because Ferrothorn gets better moves and I feel like Ferrothorn would be better on this team than Ferrothorn. I also don't need Toxic Spikes, since I wouldn't really need it because there would be sweepers that could OHKO pokemon anyway. Toxic Spikes are also countered by pokemon like Tentacruel, in which it doesn't even need to use Rapid Spin to get rid of. Sure, Ferrothorn is 4x weak to fire like Scizor, but it is in the Rain, and it can survive Fire attacking depending on the attacker in the Rain. It doesn't get Rapid Spin unlike Ferrotress, but I don't really think Entry hazards are a big deal to this team. 4 Pokemon are immune to Toxic Spikes(Scizor, Ferrothorn, Thundurus-T, and Latios), and 2 Pokemon are immune to Spikes(Thundurus-T and Latios), and Stealth Rock doesn't really hurt any Pokemon that much except for Thundurus-T, so I don't feel like Entry Hazards are a big threat to this team.

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Kabutops @ Focus Sash
Trait: Weak Armor
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance

- Aqua Jet / Rapid Spin
- Stone Edge
- Waterfall


Now, I know I said I wasn't going to have Rapid Spin on this team, but The option of having Rapid spin on Kabutops is still there. Now, you might be thinking, " Why Kabutops?" Well, it's just because Kabutops is basically a complete monster in Rain. The first thing I'll do with Kabutops is set up at least one Swords Dance. By the time I'm done setting up, The opponent will hit me with a move, making me go down to 1 HP, but surviving due to Focus Sash. Weak Armor will kick in,(If I was hit by a physical attacking move)and Kabutops' speed will go up! Now it's at +2 Attack, and at +1 Speed! That's scary enough already, but combined with with STAB AND in the rain, Kabutops can be pretty deadly. I would choose Aqua Jet over Rapid Spin for Priority. Stone Edge basically there to hit pokemon who would resist water attacks, and gets STAB, and Waterfall becomes deadly in the rain with +2 Attack and STAB. I was on Pokemon Showdown the other day, and I used this set. I switched into kabutops after I set up rain, and after Kabutops had fainted, he had 3 pokemon left, and Thundurus-T sweeped the rest of his team. At the end of the match, he said "wow, what power that Kabutops had. It OHKOed my wall and out sped my sweeper..." So, Kabutops is great, but this set relies too much on entry hazards not being up, and that makes Kabutops a little trivial, then; so I was thinking about changing it to a Tornadus-T or Landorus-T

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Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Psyshock
- Surf


Latios is here to counter almost, if not all, of the threats I need to take out. The main reason why I chose Latios over another Pokemon is because I don't want Latios to take that much damage. If entry hazards are up, it would have to take Stealth Rock damage, Spikes Damage, and Toxic Spikes poison, but Latios only takes damage from Stealth Rock because of its ability, Levitate. Latios also counters fire types if Politoed has fainted since it 4x resists fire, and can hit 'em with a Surf, that is, if Rain is still up. First off, Draco Meteor, an insanely powerful Dragon type move and gets boosted by STAB and Choice Specs if I want to have it. Draco Meteor will be the move I'll be using most of the time. But, there's pokemon like Tryranitar, who would be a threat to this team by setting Sand, and maybe even start setting up Stealth Rock. That's basically why Hidden Power Fighting is on Latios. It can even KO an Obamasnow if it isn't a scarfed variant, but Psyshock is basically here as its other STAB move, but being able to hit it, and Psyshock only takes damage by the Defense stat, but not the Special Defense stat! That means Latios could 2HKO a Special wall like Blissey or another pokemon! Latios also turns into a late-game sweeper, too.

So, thank you if you read this far! It means that you actually bothered reading this team fully and might actually rate it now! So, any suggestions for this team? :naughty:


Importable
Politoed @ Choice Specs
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]

Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Grass Knot
- Volt Switch

Scizor @ Leftovers
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Rock Smash
- Roost

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Gyro Ball
- Protect

Kabutops @ Focus Sash
Trait: Weak Armor
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Aqua Jet
- Stone Edge
- Waterfall

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Hidden Power [Fighting]
- Psyshock
- Surf
 
Hi dude, Kabutops under rain is really interesting, i used a team with him and Scizor like Priority abusers and them work enaugh well although the first is very underrated pokemon, now let' s rate :)

First off, this team is pretty weak to Tornadus-T, you have not a good switch in against it, and this is a serious problem from the moment you re playing a rain team and above all you have no way to hit Ferrothorn (only whit Hp Fighting, but Latios, especially Scarf set lose anyway 1vs1 against him).

So my first suggestion is to use SDJirachi instead of Ferrothorn, in this way you have the best counter of Tornadus-T, and you don t lose previous utility: however you are covered against special Dragon (first of all Lat Twins, but now Hydreigon too) and have anyway a Stealth Rock. You may use an Evs spread of 252HP/24Def/232SpD Sassy Nature, with a moveset of U-Turn/Iron Head/Wish/ Stealth Rock, with this moveset you can continue an eventual Volt-Turn Chain with Thundurus-T/Scizor and Heal your teammates more of times without risks especially if you want to play without Rapid Spin on Kabutops, from the moment Thundurus-T has not a good stay-in power (4/5 turns, but with an eventual sand or damages it s minus) and can t use your Volt Chain. About Thundurus-T you have to move his 4Atk evs to Def/SpD, because are pretty useless since you have not Superpower.

Well, as i told you, if you don t want to use Thundurus-T without Focus Blast, you cant hit harder Ferrothorn, so i d suggest you to give Scizor Superpower>Roost and make it more offensive, that s because in this way you can hit better steel as Skarmory, Forretress, Heatran and Magnezone with a set slower than him. So my suggest is to give him Lum Berry/Life Orb and an Evs Spread of 72HP/252Atk/186Spd Adamant Nature, Lum Berry/ Life Orb are to maximyze his offensive, usually i prefer the first, cause i hate when random scald burns him, but this time life orb should work better because under rain a give problems with or without burn, the ev spread is to have 1 switch more on Stealth Rock or Spikes and the speed is to outspeed Some Heatran or slow SDrachi. You can also try to use Metal Coat to bluff a Choice Band set, but more of times is easy to predict.

Now Keldeo, without Ferrothorn, could be a trouble, especially if you want to play Specs Version of Latios (It take around 55% by Scarftimid Keldeo Hpump under rain), so my suggestion is to use LOLatias>Latios, that s because you don t really need a Revengekiller from the moment you already have 2 Priorityers and Latias may help you with a bit bulk more and more or less same Offensive/Core. My suggestion is to use an Ev spread of 72HP/184Satk/252Spd Jolly Nature, with a moveset of Surf/Psyshock/Draco Meteor/Recover. In this way Keldeo can only 3Hoko under rain, and in case of weather war against sunny teams, you have a good switch against Venusaur (It alive by +2 Sludge Bomb of CLorophyll Venusaur).

Well, last advice, you forgot 4Evs on Kabutops, you may give him into Def.

Hope I Helped

Tl;dr

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Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)
- U-turn
- Iron Head
- Stealth Rock
- Wish


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Scizor (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower


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Latias (F) @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Surf
- Recover
- Psyshock
 
Thank you, but I didn't forget the EVs. I thought it would be useless since he had a Focus Sash because he would survive to 1 HP anyway. Thanks for the rate anyway :)
 
Hi, interesting offensive rain team you have here. I do see a Swords Dance Lucario weakness, however. Easily gets the Swords Dance boost on Ferrothorn and rips through your team if Rocks are up. Close Combat destroys Politoed, Kabutops, Ferrothorn and Scizor, while Extremespeed punishes Latios and Thundurus-T. Also, Aqua Jet from Kabutops does not OHKO. However, this weakness can easily be avoided by running a Jolly Nature over your current Adamant on Kabutops. With a Jolly Nature you are now able to outspeed Adamant Lucario and OHKO with Waterfall. Jolly Lucario aren't used too often, so you don't have to really worry about that. Opposing Offensive Swords Dance Scizor can also be quite annoying. They get the easy +2 boost on your own Scizor and Ferrothorn and can put a dent into your team. Bullet Punch grabs the OHKO on both Latios and Thundurus-T, while Superpower crushes Ferrothorn and your own Scizor. Scizor's STAB Bug Bite OHKO's Politoed. The simplest way to fix this weakness is by just replacing your Politoed's item into a Choice Scarf. I know you will lose the power you had from using Specs, but if you look at the rest of your team, you see you have quite the power houses to inflict damage, so another hard hitter isn't all that needed. I also noticed that you lacked a revenge killer, so Scarf Toed definitely comes in handy for that category. Politoed can take a +2 Bullet Punch from Scizor and OHKO back with a rain-boosted Hydro Pump. The only other problem I see is Special Growth Venusaur with 3 Attacks if you lose the weather war. If it gets a Growth up, it's game over. Fortunately, it can only set up reliably on Ferrothorn; so to prevent this weakness all you really need to do is slap Thunder Wave somewhere on Ferrothorn. This cripples Venusaur badly and allows Latios to now outspeed and OHKO with Psyshock. As for smaller changes, you can try and use Life Orb over Focus Sash on Kabutops. You don't have a spinner so once a hazard is placed on the field, Focus Sash is useless. I also recommend using Superpower over Rock Smash. Rock Smash isn't hitting anything useful, while Superpower demolishes Ferrothorn. Overall, cool and solid team. Hope I helped.
 
Have you thought about replacing Kabutops with Shell Smash Cloyster?
It has the same effect as Swords Dance+Weak Armor, but imo Cloyster's bulk, higher boosted speed, coverage/move choice all really set it above Kabutops.

I like to use Nevermeltice Cloyster with 252+ Attack 252 Speed. It outspeeds base 95 +1s by 1 point while Kabutops is only base 80 speed.
Shell Smash/Icicle Spear/Razor Shell/Rock Blast
He also has Rapid Spin and +2 Hydro Pump to utilize, but I don't think those are as good.
 
This team looks pretty solid overall, props for the very creative use of kabutops.

I do notice a weakness to set-up sweepers given that you lack a scarfer (dragmag looks very problematic for this team, for example). I would personally fix this by switching latios to a scarf set, since you already have toed to smash stuff with specs attacks an scarftios revenges every single +1 dragon. I'd recommend a moveset of DM / psyshock / surf / trick perhaps--trick allows you to cripple pokes like blissey since you can't smash through them with specs psyshocks anymore.

I'd go with a more defensive set on toed--something like 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe should be fine. Without a scarf, toed is really to slow to outspeed all that much, and even with no speed you beat slow walls due to toed's decent base speed. Speed creeping is of course a good idea too :p. Other than that, toed looks good.

I'd personally use focus blast > grass knot on thundurus--you already have hp grass on toed as a lure for gastro and stuff, and ferro as well to OHKO easily and come in consistently, and fblast is really nice for ferro and ttar and stuff. You can keep grass knot if you really want to though.

I think you need to make a decision about scizor. Scizor essentially has 2 SD sets--all-out offensive and bulky. Offensive is gonna have an EV spread of 252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant or Jolly @ LO with SD / bpunch / bug bite (or u-turn maybe for a gimmick) / fighting move. Bulky is better as 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe Adamant @ lefties with SD / roost / bpunch / bug bite or brick break. You seem to be leaning more towards bulky, so I'd suggest going with the second set. Also brick break >>>>> rock smash. So what I'd suggest is 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe Adamant @ lefties with SD / roost / bpunch / brick break.

Unfortunately, ferro can really only afford to use one hazard because of 4MSS. Since it'ss not anywhere else on the team, SR is the one to go with. Imo pwhip is kinda required on ferro to check waters. Also, imo protect is kinda a watse of a moveslot unless you run leech seed--so for the last two slots you could either run leech seed / protect or some combination of leech seed / gball / twave. Having at least one of gball and twave is great for checking dragons, so imo the best ferro set for you would be something like SR / Pwhip / Twave / Leech Seed. Uomo solo made a good point about being weak to tornadus, but if you want to keep the team as is you could simply change ferro to a SpD spread, which does a fair job of beating torny as well while you can cripple it with twave. Changing to uomo solo's rachi set s a viable option as well though.

Finally, kabutops. First of all, RS does not seem like a good idea to me, since it really is not at all fast right off the bat, and with a fsash you don't want to switch it into hazards anyway. Now here's the thing: I feel like weak armor is too unreliable. If the opponent kills it with a special attack, it gets no boost and is easily outsped and finished off. If its sash breaks, it doesn't even survive a hit. And even if you pull it off and get the weak armor boost, it's still outsped by basically all scarfers and frankly doesn't have the power or coverage to pull off a sweep. Ferrothorn for instance walls it hard, and a lot of stuff can survive +2 waterfall or SE, even in rain. I would suggest that you use SD or DD feraligatr in its place, as gatr fulfills a similar role while being stronger, bulkier, and having access to great coverage moves. If you want to go with DDgatr, a good set would be Gatr @ Leftovers or Life Orb with Dragon Dance / Waterfall / Superpower / Ice Punch or Crunch. SDgatr is the same thing but with a moveset of SD / aqua jet / 2 of waterfall / crunch / ice punch / superpower. I personally prefer the SD set, +2 aqua jet in rain destroys so much. crunch and superpower are my favorite coverage moves for stuff like jelli and slowbro, and ferro and stuff respectively.

Hope my rate helped and GL with the team!
 
Hey there, this team is pretty solid and really fun to use. But when I was using it I made a few changes after some testing.

Giving Scizor speed EVs (I used 108, but you only need 100 to outspeed 0 speed Heatran) to outspeed Heatran was pretty helpful. Bulkier heatran are pretty useless against a rain team, but with Scizor with no speed EVs and Ferrothorn, they do get some utility out of it by forcing some switches. If you put speed on Scizor, that won't be a problem. You are also able to outspeed pokemon like Skarm, faster tyranitar, and Politoeds to weaken the further or outright take them out. The moveset I used was SD / BP / Bug Bite /Superpower.

Additionally, Ferrothorn gives you an unneeded weakness to fighting types and allows Heatran to come in for free and force some switches. Seeing as how your team is offensive you could replace Ferrothorn with a Mamoswine. It gives you another priority user, a great check to Tornadus-T, and a stealth rock user that can replace ferrothorn.

Lastly, I would test out psychic over focus blast. I rotated between these two moves when I was testing and Focus blast was invaluable sometimes, but I disliked relying on such an inaccurate move on a choiced pokemon. psychic is very useful for toxicroak, tenta and keldeo.
 
No, he said Ferro is weak to fighting.. meaning something like Terrakion comes in for free and gets a free close combat which your team can't take comfortably.
 
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