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Favorite LC sweeper?
- Thread starter Brambane
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Dissapointed that noone esle recognises the power that is Magby. OHKOin the three top walls is something to celebrate. Magby can be called the ultimate wall breaker of LC, just fir the fact that the only wall that can threaten to beat Magby is Gligar, and to do that it must win a speed tie. Magby can run a simple set between Flare Blitz / Cross Chop / Mach Punch / Thunder Punch / Overheat / HP Ice
Note however that FB and CC are illegal together, so if you want to beat MunchZor, you'll have to rely on Overheat / CC.
I was running a simple FB / Mach Punch / TPunch / HP Ice set earlier with a Jollyh Nature. Even with a Jolly nature, Maby has enough SpA to OHKO Gligar, which is quite cool
So yeah, USE MAGBY
Note however that FB and CC are illegal together, so if you want to beat MunchZor, you'll have to rely on Overheat / CC.
I was running a simple FB / Mach Punch / TPunch / HP Ice set earlier with a Jollyh Nature. Even with a Jolly nature, Maby has enough SpA to OHKO Gligar, which is quite cool
So yeah, USE MAGBY
The problem is, he can't switch in on any of those walls, due to his pitiful defenses, and the fact that Munchy and Gar both carry EQ.
Don't underestimate Magby, most people bring him early (from watching battles). Its more of a mid-game sweeper where some Pokemon are sufficiently weak or semi-weak. Magby can plow through unprepared teams, its a staple on all my offensive teams.
In terms of Magby, I think that his problem is he's largely outclassed by Elekid. He's slightly stronger, but slower than Elekid, SR weak, and his STAB isn't hard to resist. That said, he's no pushover, but Elekid just has that 20 Speed that makes it a goddamn nightmare to fight.
I'm fairly new to LC, but I have to say that in the ~10ish battles I've been in, Elekid and Snover easily did the most damage. Elekid almost always got two or three kills in the later game, and in every game except one it got at least one kill. If the opponent didn't carry a Scarfer, it absolutely walked over the opponent.
Snover was mainly so good because of Ice Shard. A surprising amount of Pokemon switching in couldn't take a max Atk Seed Bomb followed up by an Ice Shard, and Ice Shard was extremely useful in taking out things like Rock Polish Gligar. And many Pokemon, like Bronzor, who did wall those moves, was annoyed endlessly by Leech Seed + Hail + Protect stalling. I guess in that sense Snover isn't exactly a "sweeper", and it's certainly not the best in LC, but it is capable of causing quite a bit of damage.
Snover was mainly so good because of Ice Shard. A surprising amount of Pokemon switching in couldn't take a max Atk Seed Bomb followed up by an Ice Shard, and Ice Shard was extremely useful in taking out things like Rock Polish Gligar. And many Pokemon, like Bronzor, who did wall those moves, was annoyed endlessly by Leech Seed + Hail + Protect stalling. I guess in that sense Snover isn't exactly a "sweeper", and it's certainly not the best in LC, but it is capable of causing quite a bit of damage.
IMO Sweeping wise, Elekid is better because of its Speed and coverage.
However, I think Magby is better overall. Magby has 120 base power moves to use with a stronger attack, while Elekid has a 75 base power STAB. I actually prefer to send in Magby ASAP because of its ability to wallbreak and 2HKO almost anything. Elekid I save for late game clean up, what it's best at.
Magby is used very differently than Elekid.
With an Elekid sweep, you're trying to weaken the main walls, and taking out the scarfers on the opposing team, and then clean up with STAB Tbolt and Ice Punch
Magby, on the other hand is simply
1. Send Magby in
2. Flare Blitz
3. ???
4. PROFIT
Seriously, all you do is use Flare Blitz, which will do tons to even stuff that resists it. Houndour giving you troubles? Mach Punch is an OHKO with SR, and im sure without SR it comes pretty close.
Basically, what HYU said: Just smash away with your main STAB, use coverage moves other wise. Against Gligar, unless they are scarfed, just hope for the speed tie and KO with HP Ice. noone switches in Gligar on Magby anyways, it takes shitloads from Overheat
Yeah, DONT UNDERESTIMATE MAGBY. although you're more than welcome, just means you'll be losing to franky and me :)
With an Elekid sweep, you're trying to weaken the main walls, and taking out the scarfers on the opposing team, and then clean up with STAB Tbolt and Ice Punch
Magby, on the other hand is simply
1. Send Magby in
2. Flare Blitz
3. ???
4. PROFIT
Seriously, all you do is use Flare Blitz, which will do tons to even stuff that resists it. Houndour giving you troubles? Mach Punch is an OHKO with SR, and im sure without SR it comes pretty close.
Basically, what HYU said: Just smash away with your main STAB, use coverage moves other wise. Against Gligar, unless they are scarfed, just hope for the speed tie and KO with HP Ice. noone switches in Gligar on Magby anyways, it takes shitloads from Overheat
Yeah, DONT UNDERESTIMATE MAGBY. although you're more than welcome, just means you'll be losing to franky and me :)
@ bolded: Magby actually doesn't need HP Ice (I discovered), because Overheat from 13 SpA (0 EVs) OHKOes Gligar anyway.
EDIT: Wow over 50 people voted in this thread..that's impressive.
Mine is Eevee, my favourite pokemon sweeper and what a pokemon, ohkoing many sweepers with just quick attack and sr up (such as dour) it's just a great finisher to the game. Scarfed Eevee can also destroy alot of pokemon team cores.
Second is Elekid, it's another late game specialist, priority and epic sweeping ability with unresisted attacks, able to KO two main walls simply.
Third is Mantyke, it sweeps entire teams when it sets up rain, with berry juice who knows what it will be able to do. Also helps my second favourite by making thunder viable for just more power.
Second is Elekid, it's another late game specialist, priority and epic sweeping ability with unresisted attacks, able to KO two main walls simply.
Third is Mantyke, it sweeps entire teams when it sets up rain, with berry juice who knows what it will be able to do. Also helps my second favourite by making thunder viable for just more power.
He is really really weak, not fast enough to use other sets, etc. He is pretty awful.
Bellydrum Zigazigoon is where its at!
Meh, it seriously misses the ability to pair ExtremeSpeed with Belly Drum and doesn't really have enough immunities/resists to force switches from choiced pokemon nor enough brute power straight off to get itself a free turn. Without ExtremeSpeed you're very vulnerable to priority, especially at 50% health and you lose out to Scarf Houndour, Mankey and faster.
Most things that get SD would get my vote were I actually voting, but Krabby, Gligar, and Snover stand out most of all.
Krabby has the ability to Run Agility/SD on the same set and not miss out on perfect coverage. after it is fully set up, it has 30 Speed and 40 Attack and has great defenses to be able to get to that point easily. It even has Battle Armor to prevent an untimely critical hit from taking it out, and Water is a great physicaly defensive typing for such a dangerous pokemon.
Gligar has excelent utility and surprise value for just one pokemon, and has a plethora of moves so that no two Gligar ever have the same counters. Having only one weakness that stands out and two immunities, as well as several resistances, makes Gligar one of the most fearsome offensive pokemon for a team to face.
Snover gets SD + Ice Shard and has Hail to ruin the sashes of any pokemon to allow it to kill them with it's STAB moves. The only things that stand out as being able to take these are Bronzor and Magnemite, of which only Magnemite can do anything back to Snover. Most Magnemites are scarfed, and easily played around however, and Bronzor is almost never an offensive threat.
Krabby has the ability to Run Agility/SD on the same set and not miss out on perfect coverage. after it is fully set up, it has 30 Speed and 40 Attack and has great defenses to be able to get to that point easily. It even has Battle Armor to prevent an untimely critical hit from taking it out, and Water is a great physicaly defensive typing for such a dangerous pokemon.
Gligar has excelent utility and surprise value for just one pokemon, and has a plethora of moves so that no two Gligar ever have the same counters. Having only one weakness that stands out and two immunities, as well as several resistances, makes Gligar one of the most fearsome offensive pokemon for a team to face.
Snover gets SD + Ice Shard and has Hail to ruin the sashes of any pokemon to allow it to kill them with it's STAB moves. The only things that stand out as being able to take these are Bronzor and Magnemite, of which only Magnemite can do anything back to Snover. Most Magnemites are scarfed, and easily played around however, and Bronzor is almost never an offensive threat.
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