CAP Ferrothorn

[Lasen]

[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Spikes / Stealth Rock
move 3: Body Press
move 4: Gyro Ball / Knock Off / Power Whip
item: Leftovers
ability: Iron Barbs
nature: Relaxed / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
===================
Ferrothorn is invaluable support with a great defensive typing and strong support movepool, making it a staple in the metagame. Stealth Rock can be run instead of Spikes on teams that can't fit it elsewhere, but its broader distribution makes Ferrothorn running Spikes preferred. Body Press takes advantage of this set investing in Defense and hits Magnezone on the switch, threatens Equilibra and Kartana, and helps against opposing Ferrothorn. Gyro Ball allows Ferrothorn to hit Tornadus-T and Venomicon-E. Knock Off is an option to pressure entry hazard removers such as Zapdos, Tornadus-T, and Astrolotl by removing their Heavy-Duty Boots. They all are common switch-ins to Ferrothorn, though, as they carry Fire-type coverage. Power Whip is a powerful STAB option that helps Ferrothorn beat Water-types such as Urshifu-R and Arghonaut and Ground-types like Swords Dance Landorus-T and Garchomp. A Relaxed nature with 0 Speed IVs should be run alongside Gyro Ball, while Impish is preferred if Knock Off or Power Whip is run.

Ferrothorn is quite an effective glue for bulky offense and balance teams, checking common threats such as Weavile, Melmetal, Tapu Koko, and Tapu Lele. Wallbreakers such as Swords Dance Garchomp, both Venomicon formes, and Dragonite all appreciate Spikes support from Ferrothorn as well as it checking their revenge killers in Weavile and Tapu Lele. Stealth Rock setters such as Garchomp and Heatran help stack passive damage on foes, and both can take Fire-type attacks thrown Ferrothorn's way. Tapu Fini is an excellent partner, checking Fire-types like Heatran and Astrolotl as well as Choice Band Urshifu-R and forcing all of them out. Offensive Zapdos can pressure Defoggers such as Corviknight and Tornadus-T and help Ferrothorn against Fighting-types such as Galarian Zapdos, Urshifu-R, and Revenankh, while Ferrothorn alleviates some pressure off of Zapdos by being a decent Knock Off absorber and check to offensive Ice-types.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Thunder Wave can cripple fast foes such as Tornadus-T and Dragapult, but Ferrothorn's other options are better in more scenarios. Gyro Ball with a Relaxed nature lets Ferrothorn beat Venomicon-E and Tornadus-T in most scenarios, but it provides worse offensive coverage than Power Whip. Protect can be used to scout a foe's move and get extra Leech Seed recovery, but it makes Ferrothorn too passive. Rocky Helmet is an option over Leftovers to double down on the chip against contact moves, but the passive recovery Leftovers provides is usually better. Chople Berry is an option on rain teams to cover Ferrothorn's Fighting weakness.

Checks and Counters
===================
**Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-types such as Heatran, Blacephalon, Volcanion, Astrolotl, and Volcarona threaten to OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves, but none of them appreciate switching into Knock Off. Fire-type coverage on Dragapult, Clefable, Tornadus-T, and Venomicon can also threaten to KO Ferrothorn, so it must be careful when switching into them.

**Fighting-type Attacks**: Choice Band Urshifu-R, Galarian Zapdos, and Buzzwole can pressure Ferrothorn, but the former two can't switch in safely for fear of Knock Off or, in Urshifu-R's case, Power Whip. Tapu Lele, Kartana, and Melmetal can all carry Fighting-type coverage to catch Ferrothorn and 2HKO it.

***Strong Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Garchomp and Nasty Plot Galarian Moltres can set up on Ferrothorn to pressure it. Ferrothorn is also susceptible to being overwhelmed by the Pokemon its supposed to check such as Choice Band Weavile and Venomicon-E, especially so if it loses its Leftovers.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[dex, 277988], [Rabia, 336073]]
- Grammar checked by: [[Astra, 240732]]

 

[dex]

i will hug you and you will like it!

move 2: Spikes

I'd slash Stealth Rock cause sometimes you do be putting ferro on a team with no rocker, and rocks are generally better than spikes solo

Knock Off is an option to pressure hazard removers such as Zapdos, Tornadus-T, and Astrolotl.

i would specify that it removes their boots, as these mons rely on them heavily. also note that these mons really like to switch into ferro due to them packing fire coverage.

Wallbreakers such as Swords Dance Garchomp, Venomicon-E, and Dragonite all appreciate Spikes support from Ferrothorn as well as it checking their revenge killers in Weavile and Tapu Lele.

I'd change Venomicon-E to just "both Venomicon formes", they both need lele chipped into death.

Gyro Ball with a Relaxed nature lets Ferrothorn beat Clefable and Tornadus-T in most scenarios, but gives worse offensive coverage than Power Whip.

Gyro is also not the greatest because its PP gets drained hella fast and it DOES NOT beat Clefable. I would instead note that it is probably Ferrothorn's best way to pressure Venomicon-E.

A more specially defensive set with 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD and a Careful nature can be run to better check Dragapult and Electric-types such as Krilowatt, Rotom-W, and Tapu Koko, but other Steel- and Grass-types do so better.

i dont think i would ever run SpD cause it already checks these mons while running phys def. pult carries fire coverage half the time anyways, so really i'd just nix this sentence.

**Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-types such as Heatran, Blacephalon, Volcanion, and Volcarona threaten to OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves, but none of them appreciate switching into a Knock Off.

add astro

**Fighting-type Attacks**: Choice Band Urshifu-R, Galarian Zapdos, and Buzzwole can pressure Ferrothorn, but the former can't switch in safely.

The former 2 cannot switch in safely because of Knock Off. Gapdos with no Choice Band misses out on some very important rolls (for instance, it gets perma walled by corviknight if it gets knocked). Same goes for Urshifu, which can no longer break through Zapdos without its band. Change it to "the former two" and mention Knock Off specifically. I understand that Power Whip is the main idea you want to get across, so i would also specifically mention that as well for Urshifu-R. Something like this could work: "Choice Band Urshifu-R, Galarian Zapdos, and Buzzwole can pressure Ferrothorn with Close Combat, but the former two can't switch in safely for fear of Knock Off or, in Urshifu-R's case, Power Whip."

1/2, just as an aside there are a number of GP errors that I know you know are there. if you could fix those, I will give you three schmeckles and check this the moment it hits the queue

 

[Lasen]

1/2, just as an aside there are a number of GP errors that I know you know are there. if you could fix those, I will give you three schmeckles and check this the moment it hits the queue

Sorry me ESL no understand...

anyway ready for QC 2/2

 

[Rabia]

[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Spikes
move 3: Body Press
move 4: Power Whip / Gyro Ball / Knock Off
item: Leftovers
ability: Iron Barbs
nature: Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
===================
Ferrothorn is an invaluable support Pokemon possessing a great defensive typing and strong support movepool, making it a staple in the metagame. Leech Seed help it remain healthy while simultaneously forcing passive damage on foes. Body Press takes advantage of this set investing in physical defense and threatens Magnezone, Equilibra, and Kartana.(would instead first talk about it hitting zone on the switch and then talk about the other two + add in ferrothorn to address the mirror matchup) Power Whip is a powerful STAB option that help Ferrothorn beat Water-types such as Taunt Tapu Fini, Slowbro, and Arghonaut and Ground-types such as Landorus-T and Garchomp. Knock Off is an option to pressure hazard removers such as Zapdos, Tornadus-T, and Astrolotl by removing their Heavy-Duty Boots. They all are common switch-ins to Ferrothorn as they carry Fire-type coverage. (gyro deserves to be on the set and is probably better than knock; torn-t and venom-e are too valuable of targets to not put heavier emphasis on dealing with)

Ferrothorn is quite an effective glue for bulky offense and balance teams, checking physical attackers such as Weavile, Melmetal, Tapu Koko, and Tapu Lele.(surely we did not just call tapu koko and tapu lele physical attackers :mike:) Wallbreakers such as Swords Dance Garchomp, both Venomicon formes, and Dragonite all appreciate Spikes support from Ferrothorn as well as it checking their revenge killers in Weavile and Tapu Lele. Stealth Rock setters such as Landorus-T (lando is a bit iffy of a mention here cuz you get slammed by offensive balloon heatran, which is by far the most common fire-type rn. maybe mention garchomp instead?) and Heatran help stack passive damage on foes and both can take Fire-type attacks thrown Ferrothorn's way. Tapu Fini is an excellent partner, checking Fire-types like Heatran and Astrolotl as well as Choice Band Urshifu-R and forcing all of them out. Offensive Zapdos can pressure Defoggers such as Corviknight and Tornadus-T and help Ferrothorn against Fighting-types such as Galarian Zapdos, Urshifu-R, and Revenankh while Ferrothorn alleviates some pressure off of Zapdos by being a decent Knock Off absorber and check to offensive Ice-types.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Stealth Rock can be run instead of Spikes if the team can't fit the move elsewhere. Thunder Wave can cripple fast foes such as Tornadus-T and Dragapult, but Ferrothorn's other options are better in more scenarios. Gyro Ball with a Relaxed nature lets Ferrothorn beat Venomicon-E and Tornadus-T in most scenarios, but provides worse offensive coverage than Power Whip. Protect can be used to scout a foe's move and get extra Leech Seed recovery, but makes Ferrothorn too passive. Rocky Helmet is an option over Leftovers to double down on the chip against contact moves, but the passive recovery Leftovers provides is usually better. (chople berry on rain teams = good)

Checks and Counters
===================

**Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-types such as Heatran, Blacephalon, Volcanion, Astrolotl, and Volcarona threaten to OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves, but none of them appreciate switching into a Knock Off. Fire-type coverage on Dragapult, Clefable, Tornadus-T, and Venomicon can also threaten to KO Ferrothorn so it must be careful when switching into them.

**Fighting-type Attacks**: Choice Band Urshifu-R, Galarian Zapdos, and Buzzwole can pressure Ferrothorn, but the former two can't switch in safely for fear of Knock Off or, in Urshifu-R's case, Power Whip. Tapu Lele, Kartana, and Melmetal can all carry Fighting-type coverage to catch Ferrothorn and 2HKO it.

***Strong Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Garchomp and Nasty Plot Galarian Moltres can set up on Ferrothorn to pressure it. Ferrothorn is also susceptible to being overwhelmed by the Pokemon its supposed to check such as Choice Band Weavile and Venomicon-E, especially so if it (???).

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[dex, 277988], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

qc 2/2 when done

 

[Lasen]

Rabia is a meanie and did it all in a quote so I can't copy paste... anyway I guess I'm throwing this into GP!

 

[Astra]

tried out the gp app just to see how it felt doing a check with, lmk if you have any comments or concerns

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[SET]
name: Utility
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Spikes / Stealth Rock
move 3: Body Press
move 4: Gyro Ball / Knock Off / Power Whip
item: Leftovers
ability: Iron Barbs
nature: Relaxed / Impish
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
Set Details
===================
Ferrothorn is an invaluable support Pokemon possessing with a great defensive typing and strong support movepool, making it a staple in the metagame. Leech Seed help it remain healthy while simultaneously forcing passive damage on foes. Spikes is extremely viable in providing chip against grounded foes. Stealth Rock can be run instead Stealth Rock can be run instead of Spikes on teams that can't fit it elsewhere, but it has broader distribution makeso Ferrothorn prefers running Spikes preferred. Body Press takes advantage of this set investing in physical dDefense and hits Magnezone on the switch, threatens Equilibra and Kartana, and helps against opposing Ferrothorn. Gyro Ball allows Ferrothorn to hit Tornadus-T and Venomicon-E. Knock Off is an option to pressure entry hazard removers such as Zapdos, Tornadus-T, and Astrolotl by removing their Heavy-Duty Boots. They all are common switch-ins to Ferrothorn, though, as they carry Fire-type coverage. Power Whip is a powerful STAB option that helps Ferrothorn beat Water-types such as Urshifu-R and Arghonaut and Ground-types like Swords Dance Landorus-T and Garchomp. A Relaxed nature with 0 Speed IVs should be run alongside Gyro Ball, while Impish is preferred if Knock Off or Power Whip are run, insteadis run.

Ferrothorn is quite an effective glue for bulky offense and balance teams, checking common threats such as Weavile, Melmetal, Tapu Koko, and Tapu Lele. Wallbreakers such as Swords Dance Garchomp, both Venomicon formes, and Dragonite all appreciate Spikes support from Ferrothorn as well as it checking their revenge killers in Weavile and Tapu Lele. Stealth Rock setters such as Garchomp and Heatran help stack passive damage on foes, and both can take Fire-type attacks thrown Ferrothorn's way. Tapu Fini is an excellent partner, checking Fire-types like Heatran and Astrolotl as well as Choice Band Urshifu-R and forcing all of them out. Offensive Zapdos can pressure Defoggers such as Corviknight and Tornadus-T and help Ferrothorn against Fighting-types such as Galarian Zapdos, Urshifu-R, and Revenankh, while Ferrothorn alleviates some pressure off of Zapdos by being a decent Knock Off absorber and check to offensive Ice-types.

[STRATEGY COMMENTS]
Other Options
====
Stealth Rock can be run instead of Spikes if the team can't fit the move elsewhere. Thunder Wave can cripple fast foes such as Tornadus-T and Dragapult, but Ferrothorn's other options are better in more scenarios. Gyro Ball with a Relaxed nature lets Ferrothorn beat Venomicon-E and Tornadus-T in most scenarios, but it provides worse offensive coverage than Power Whip. Protect can be used to scout a foe's move and get extra Leech Seed recovery, but it makes Ferrothorn too passive. Rocky Helmet is an option over Leftovers to double down on the chip against contact moves, but the passive recovery Leftovers provides is usually better. Chople Berry is an option on rain teams to cover Ferrothorn's Fighting weakness.

Checks and Counters
===================
**Fire-type Attacks**: Fire-types such as Heatran, Blacephalon, Volcanion, Astrolotl, and Volcarona threaten to OHKO Ferrothorn with their STAB moves, but none of them appreciate switching into a Knock Off. Fire-type coverage on Dragapult, Clefable, Tornadus-T, and Venomicon can also threaten to KO Ferrothorn, so it must be careful when switching into them.

**Fighting-type Attacks**: Choice Band Urshifu-R, Galarian Zapdos, and Buzzwole can pressure Ferrothorn, but the former two can't switch in safely for fear of Knock Off or, in Urshifu-R's case, Power Whip. Tapu Lele, Kartana, and Melmetal can all carry Fighting-type coverage to catch Ferrothorn and 2HKO it.

***Strong Wallbreakers**: Swords Dance Garchomp and Nasty Plot Galarian Moltres can set up on Ferrothorn to pressure it. Ferrothorn is also susceptible to being overwhelmed by the Pokemon its supposed to check such as Choice Band Weavile and Venomicon-E, especially so if it loses its Leftovers.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Lasen, 273339]]
- Quality checked by: [[dex, 277988], [Rabia, 336073]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

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no stamp cuz idk where it is on my laptop lol