Firey Hot KFC (Blaziken Disc.)

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I havent seen one recently,(and if there was this can be locked) so here we go!

Base Stats:
80 HP 120 Atk 70 Def 110 SAtk 70 SDef 80 Speed

Physical Attacks
Fire Punch
Double Kick (lol for sub)
Blaze Kick
Flare Blitz
Brave Bird
Sky Uppercut
Focus Punch
Earthquake
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
Rock Tomb
Shadow Claw
Stone Edge
Reversal
Rock Slide
Thunderpunch (From Emerald Tutor)

Special Attacks
Hidden Power
Solar Beam
Flamethrower
Fire Blast
Overheat
Focus Blast

Other/Support
Bulk Up
Sunny Day
Swords Dance
Endure
Baton Pass
Agility
Substitute

Infernape is going to over shadow this nonetheless due to higher speed (by 28 Base Stat points), but Blaziken has higher Attack stats, and now has ways to boost his speed. He can use Agility or hold Choice Scarf to go up. Blaziken can only a few EVs in speed with a Hindering nature and still use Agility to get to that wanted 396 speed. Thats just an example. I prefer the Choice Scarf. Like Mamoswine, he can use CS to boost that 80 base speed. Here's an example...

Blaziken @ Choice Scarf
- Flare Blitz
- Stone Edge
- ThunderPunch
- Sky Uppercut

HP Ice can be used over SE or T-Punch to get rid of dragons, and is most needed to get rid of Garchomps.

Or if you're not worried about speed (which you should be in D/P) and want more attack, use...

Blaziken @ Life Orb
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz/Fire Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Sky Uppercut/Brick Break/Focus Punch

This would go well with a Tail Wind pokemon like Suicune. This guy cant take dragons on as well, though.

I still think Infernape is superior, but Blaziken makes a nice (most likely) Borderline choice here.

I'd like to see some more sets. Discuss.
 
Blaziken @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
EVs: 252 Atk/96 Spd/rest in HP
Nature: Adamant (Atk+/SAtk-)
- Blaze Kick/Flare Blitz
- Thunderpunch
- Agility
- Sky Uppercut

Agility and kill stuff with boosted attacks basically.
 
Really, the only viable reason to use Blaziken over Infernape is Baton pass. BPing Swords Dance and Agility can be pretty scary in the right situation.
 
Not Necessarily, one might be able to argue (probably not me tho, har) that Crush Claw and its 50% chance for Defense Reduction to the opponent is a decent reason for Blaziken over Infernape (that is if you like Crush Claw)... I just dont know how much of a bonus that is tho.
 
lol you need serveral def drops from crush claw to start equalling the damage you get by attack with your stabbed attacks
 
Exactly what is your point... The point of this whole discussion is to at least ATTEMPT to find a reason to use Blaziken instead of Infernape (at least thats what this has degraded to) I was mearly suggesting you could put Crush Claw onto your moveset to give you a reason for using Blaziken instead of Infernape... Which Crush Claw arguably could mess around with your opponent who switchs into a Crush Claw and has their defense dropped...
 
Crush Claw is dumb, the reason to use Blaziken is Baton Pass. If you're not going to use Baton Pass, just use Infernape.
 
After clicking that link I realized there is Baton Pass, Brave Bird, and few other moves Blaziken has that Infernape doesn't.

I think Blaziken needs to use its different movepool to make up for it's speed, or use Ascarf.

If you are gonna use Blaziken, make sure it has at least 2 moves Infernape doesn't.
 
I'd say that Blaziken is outclassed by Scizor, among others, when it comes to Baton Passing, while Infernape does everything else just plain better.
 
Okay, so Blaziken is overshadowed by Infernape.

Here is a list of things that Blaziken has over Infernape:

1) 120 base attack versus 102.
2) Baton Pass.
3) Reversal.

So I might as well post a Reversal set:

Blaziken @ Salac Berry
Jolly Nature
176 Speed, 252 Attack, 80 HP

~ Endure
~ Reversal
~ Overheat/Fire Punch
~ Swords Dance/Sky Uppercut

Remember that Overheat gets also boosted by 50% due to Blaze. Probably outclassed by Lucario as a Reversaler, though.


Blaziken @ Choice Band

~ Flare Blitz
~ Sky Uppercut
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge/Night Slash

Well this uses Blaziken's 120 Attack stat, but this won't work as well as it should due to Blaziken's 80 base speed.
 
AJC said:
lol you need serveral def drops from crush claw to start equalling the damage you get by attack with your stabbed attacks
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Yes, but lowering DEF could make the difference in battle. It's basically a Pseudo-haze technique. Besides, with 50% chance of dropping DEF, it's still a good move to use with a Base ATK of 75 and acc. of 95%. Overall, a good move you can use on the Basket of Chicken.

tenchi17 said:
Crush Claw is dumb, the reason to use Blaziken is Baton Pass. If you're not going to use Baton Pass, just use Infernape.
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What kind of argument is that? One Agility and it outspeeds. I could see this as a borderline UU / OU pokemon because it has higher ATK than Infernape. I.E. I use Scizor decently in OU Play because I use Agility first turn. It's a good lead-off Pokemon, if you ask me. And just calling a move dumb is no argument, either. It has 50% DEF lowering chance, which is rather high compared to the other moves. Just because it may be slightly lower powered doesn't mean you should throw it out the window yet. DP has changed a lot of things. Consider everything before you throw it out.

Therefore, I throw this set out into the wind.

Blaziken @ Leftovers
-Swords Dance / Crush Claw
-Agility
-Blaze Kick
-Sky Uppercut
EV SETUP: 252 SPD, 252 ATK, 6 HP
NATURE: Jolly or Adamant

First turn agility, then work on either ATK with Swords or use Crush Claw to lower the DEF. Since there are no good Physical walls anymore, CC can really open the door to using Blaze Kick or Sky Uppercut with the 50% lowering DEF chance. Blaze Kick and Sky Uppercut for the major reasons of being strong moves (1) learned naturally and (2) great power without much sacrifice. Basically, giving it a Pseudo-Scizor setup.
 
At BPing, it is outclassed by Scisor.
At Revving, it is outclassed by Lucario.
At everything else it is outclassed by Infernape.

I really don't think Blaziken will ever make OU again. Infernape is just so much better, and even as it is, there is hardly any room left in OU for any more Fighting types. (Lucario, Machamp, Medicham, Infernape, Heracross for sure and possibly Gallade and Breloom)
 
Brave Bird is a rare move, so that needs a Special Mention. It's only only pokekmon to learn it without Stab, but it still is 120 base Power. (A Flying type Double-edge).
 
Things wouldn't be so bad if Blaziken got Close Combat this generation but it didn't even get that =/

Blaziken @ Life Orb/Expert Belt
EVs: 252 Atk/96 Spd/rest in HP
Nature: Adamant (Atk+/SAtk-)
- Blaze Kick/Flare Blitz
- Thunderpunch
- Agility
- Sky Uppercut
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I like the looks of this set except with Baton Pass over Thunderpunch. The moment the opponent sends out a Poke that will beat Blaziken it can just BP out to an ally, passing the Agility as well. It can still be a suitable sweeper as well as a decent Baton Passer.
 
Beta said:
Brave Bird is a rare move, so that needs a Special Mention. It's only only pokekmon to learn it without Stab, but it still is 120 base Power. (A Flying type Double-edge).
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The only reason to use Brave Bird is to get a better hit in on Infernape, which isn't switching in on Blaziken anyway, or Machamp. Just because few Pokemon learn a move doesn't mean it's good. I mean, few Pokemon learn Conversion. You probably aren't going to go around using it on Porygon.
 
Deucalion2 said:
At BPing, it is outclassed by Scisor.
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No it isn't. Scizor can't BP out of Skarmory, but Skarmory is never going to come in to Blaziken. Blaziken can also force a lot more things about than Scizor can, which gives it a free turn of setup.

X-act said:
Okay, so Blaziken is overshadowed by Infernape.
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hp-leaves said:
Blaziken looks sad this generation with the existence of Infernape.
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I'm not seeing how that's even possible when it gets Baton Pass in addition to the awesome typing of Fire/Fighting. They do completely different things, and they do them well =S

Mike_Thunderbird said:
What kind of argument is that? One Agility and it outspeeds. I could see this as a borderline UU / OU pokemon because it has higher ATK than Infernape. I.E. I use Scizor decently in OU Play because I use Agility first turn. It's a good lead-off Pokemon, if you ask me. And just calling a move dumb is no argument, either. It has 50% DEF lowering chance, which is rather high compared to the other moves. Just because it may be slightly lower powered doesn't mean you should throw it out the window yet. DP has changed a lot of things. Consider everything before you throw it out.
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Crush Claw is still dumb; look at its power, its type, and its effect chance and tell me it's worth using over Blaziken's myriad other options (SWORDS DANCE). DP hasn't changed Crush Claw being a silly move =[
 
I really can't believe they "did" Infernape to Blaziken. Its just like them saying: "Yeah sorry we stuffed up the fire / fighting idea last time. Hear's what we should have done, kthxbai Blaz ggnore" T_T
 
Seriously i don't see this fitting anywhere in OU everything it does other things do better.

Baton passing speed-Jolteon,Ninjask
Mixed Sweeper-Vire,Infernape
Physical sweeper-Infernape,Garchomp
AS-Heatran

Like houndoom it really suffers from being just a few points to slow.
 
Deucalion2 said:
At BPing, it is outclassed by Scisor.
At Revving, it is outclassed by Lucario.
At everything else it is outclassed by Infernape./quote]
So try everything at once

Blaziken w/ leftovers (to cancel out sandstorm)
Reversal
Agility
Endure
Baton pass

Ugh, did I really just write that? I must be insane <8p
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