First RMT: Light Screen Dragonite Sweep

Aurum

As you can discern from the title, the goal of this team is to set up for a dragonite sweep. IMHO, dragonite has some advantages over Salamance in that it has a wider movepool and stronger defensive stats. To set up for this sweep, my team to aims to: lay stealth rocks, eradicate all steels and bulky waters on the opposing team, use a mixed sweeper to disable all the opposing walls, and use pokemon I enjoy. Thank you for rating!


Brief overview of the team:

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Infernape @ Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze
Evs: 64 Atk/ 252 SpA/ 192 Spe
Nature: Hasty
~Fake Out
~Stealth Rock
~Fire Blast
~Close Combat

I need a lead that can disable the other lead and set the tempo for my team. I realize stealth rock is needed for most offensive teams, and am not sure if it can be set by the lead or later in the game. In short, I think Infernape does well, but I am considering Ambipom in his position. Infernape contributes certain resistances and skills, but I will consider replacing him if you, the raters, help me find a replacement.

Synergy: He sets up stealth rock and disables lead.

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Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 6 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Nature: Naive
~Thunder Bolt
~ Hidden Power Fire
~Flash Cannon
~Explosion

In a team based on a dragon type, having the premier steel killer, Maganzone, is a given. Magnezone basically scouts in the opponent's team in the early game, deystroying steels and bulky waters. He brings a plethora of resitances to my team, and his role as steel killer is a needed.

Synergy: He takes the psychic or water type moves aimed at infernape and deystroys steels.


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Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Ability: Insomnia
Evs: 4 Atk/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Nature: Hasty
~Nasty Plot
~Heat Wave
~Dark Pulse
~Superpower

Overall, I am disapointed with Honchkrow. He has failed as a mixed sweeper, and it is extremely hard to bring him in and set him up. Ideally, he should come in on something like a bronzong, nasty plot up, and sweep, but ideal circumstances never happen. I need a replacement that is a dedicated wall breaker and that can take care of swampert.

Synergy: none..

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Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Ability: Trace
EVs: 252 HP/ 216 Def/ 40 SpA
Nature: Bold
~Ice Beam
~Thunder Bolt
~Recover
~Thunder Wave

I love this rubber duck... He has saved me many times, and is very sturdy. He constitutes the first part of my defensive core, and his job is to wall shots and thunder wave the opponent. With this thunder wave support, the opposing pokemon are slower, and easier for dragonite to pick off. He is also my anser to Ninjask, Gyrados, Vaporeon, Jolteon, and Salamence.
Definitely not the lame duck...:naughty:...

Synergy: Takes shots for the attackers, and uses thunder wave to encumber the opponent.


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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Evs: 188 HP/ 252 Def/ 68 SpA
Nature: Bold
~Wish
~Surf
~HP Electric
~Ice Beam

Vaporeon is a pretty awesome pokemon. I think I am not using her fullest potential, and that her covrage with Porygon2 is redundant. She does bring an important water immunirty to the table, though. I use her for wish support, and to get rid of bulky waters. I think that either Porygon2 or Vaporeon has to go in leiu of someone with greater coverage.

Synergy: Get rid of bulky waters, take ice hits for team, and wish support.


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Dragonite @ Leftovers
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 252 HP/ 60 Atk/ 196 Spe
Nature: Adamant
~Light Screen
~Roost
~Dragon Dance
~Outrage

Ahh... the big kahuna, head pancho, cheesy fart... you get the picture....
This is the zenith and culmination of my team. After all the steels and bulky water have been removed, Dragonite comes in, Light Screens and Dragon Dances, Roosts off the damage, and BAMM! The opponent is hit with Outrage. This is the member of my team that is staying.


Synergy: The late game seeper, the thing that (hopefully) CRUSHEs the opponent's team.


Conclusion: The point of my team is to set up for Dragonite. My lead has to set the tempo and hopefully set up stealth rocks. My offensive core has to take care of all threats, and complement eachother type wise. My deffensive core has to guard against threats and also complement eachother typewise. Dragonite has to OWN.
In short, I think my lead needs some work, I need help wiht a mixed sweeper, and either porygon2 or Vaporeon has to go because they have redundant coverage. (figured this all out after playtesting it) This is my first RMT, and I really appreciate the raters who review it.

Thank You !​
 
ive got one main suggestion for now and that is to switch Honchkrow with DD MixMence (Dragon Dance / Fire Blast / Draco Meteor / Earthquake or Outrage). Besides the fact that you don't even have a very good Latias counter, DD MixMence can prevent it switching in after it Dragon Dances once. That boost in Speed is so important.

Anyway, DD MixMence gives a great combinational Poke to Dragonite, as both are countered by many of the same things. MixMence can usually take these counters down or at least put them into such critical health that Dragonite can finish them off.

Also, Mence completely outclasses your current Honchkrow IMO.
 
A dedicated wall breaker.... try a lickilicky. The one on the analysis to but to save time

Lickilicky@Life orb
Brave 116HP 252 Atk 140 Spa
Power whip
Fire blast
Ice beam
Explosion

For Vaporeon try 252HP 244Def 12SpD
 
While Outrage is the strongest physical Dragon STAB out there, Dragonite benefits from Dragon Claw more. This build of Dragonite works much better from being able to Roost and Light Screen when needed to maintain the health needed to set up DD's until he can sweep the opponent's team. At anything around +3, Dragonite can take out anything, or continue to set up.

I like Porygon2 with Toxic as he is bulky enough to be a great user of that move. Use Discharge over Thunderbolt for the usual electric move, giving you the paralysis you need. Whenever something like Suicune shows up, use Toxic to keep him from stalling out your team. Toxic > Thunderwave

Props for using Honchkrow, but he's not going to be effective as a wall breaker. In fact, I'm not so sure you need a "real" wall breaker. At the moment, nothing is taking status for the team. Sacrificing one member of your team to a status ailment could potentially lose you a match. ResTalk Machamp gives a powerful mid game attacker to wail holes in the opponent's team. He is also incredibly difficult to counter without a ghost, due to 100% accurate DynamicPunch (confusion) and 100% accurate Stone Edge (coverage). Plus, your status problems are over.

Machamp @ Leftovers
Adamant
No Guard
252 HP/252 Attack/4 Speed
DynamicPunch
Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk

Good Luck with your team.

-friar04-
 
Thank you (all) for the constructive and helpful posts.

I will switch toxic for thunderwave and thunderbolt for discharge.

I concur about switching honchkrow for machamp.

Any thoughts on the infernape and its effectiveness?

Is the coverage procured by porygon2 and vaporeon redundant?
 
Actually, now that you bring that up, there are a few more changes.

Vaporeon needs Protect to use Wish effectively. It also could potentially stall for Leftover recovery or Toxic damage. That should be run over HP Electric for a this reason. Pory2 can counter Gyarados easily by himself, and, having 2 counters to the ever deadly Salamence is never a bad idea.

Infernape is never a bad idea as a lead, he will usually get Stealth Rock up and is a great early game attacker. However, Metagross is an incredibly common lead (maybe most common, haven't checked the statistics). They usually run Occa berry to beat Ape. Overall though, LeadApe is a great lead, and I would keep it.

EDIT: Yes, Metagross is the most common lead
 
As a Dragonite fanatic myself, I have a few suggestions.

Definately replace Honchkrow for Salamence. I think MixMence would serve you better than any Dragon Dancing Mence. It makes dealing with steels all the easier, and kills status inducers like Blissey pretty easily aswell.

Next, you may want to replace Dragonite for a new set I've created:

Dragonite @ Liechi Berry
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
- Substitute
- Dragon Claw / Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Dance

May seem strange, but it actually works. The problem with Light Screen Nite is it just dies to crits, or some Ice Shard user. With a Substitute intact you get a barrier, from status too. If you don't think you'll be able to OHKO the foe then you keep subbing down to your Liechi Berry for an extra boost.

LO Lucario manages less than 50% with Extreme Speed so you only have to worry about Scizor, but hopefully both have been taken care of with Magnezone. I'm still working on an optimal EV spread, I'll tell you if I reacho one.

Also, the 68 EVs in Vaporeon's SpA aren't needed, so you can put them into Speed or HP.
 
friar04 said:
Actually, now that you bring that up, there are a few more changes.

Vaporeon needs Protect to use Wish effectively. It also could potentially stall for Leftover recovery or Toxic damage. That should be run over Ice beam for a this reason.

Salamence after 1 DD and a Life orb can OHKO Vaporeon

Infernape is never a bad idea as a lead, he will usually get Stealth Rock up and is a great early game attacker. However, Metagross is an incredibly common lead (maybe most common, haven't checked the statistics). They usually run Occa berry to beat Ape. Overall though, LeadApe is a great lead, and I would keep it.
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Ran some calcs, and I have to say I am impressed with the damage output from MetaNite's set. The need for a wall breaker is made even less because of this set as he destroys even Vappy at +2 with Outrage which you NEED to run to hit the damage needed.

This will only work as an end gamer though, so be careful showing it if that is indeed the set you run.

EDIT: Still think Ice Beam on Vappy is more effective for MixMence. Pory2 won't lose against Gyara, and will be the switch in against DDMence
 
Kk I am going to make these changes to the team:

Replacing Honchkrow with Mixmence
ThunderBolt with discharge and thunderwave with toxic
Changing Vappy's Evs and her HP to protect
Replacing Lightnite's set with Metanite's awesome set

Thank you for all the rates, and the team is starting to look better!
 
Aurum said:
Kk I am going to make these changes to the team:

Replacing Honchkrow with Mixmence
ThunderBolt with discharge and thunderwave with toxic
Changing Vappy's Evs (252hp 228def 28spd gives the best overall bulk) and her Ice beam to protect
Replacing Lightnite's set with Metanite's awesome set

Thank you for all the rates, and the team is starting to look better!
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Paranoid212, why do you want to keep HP Electric on Vaporeon? Is it for Empoleon? I could see that. But, I don't think it is a good idea to make Vaporeon free set-up for Latias. Latias can Substitute, or Calm Mind, or anything on Ice Beamless Vaporeon. For Vaporeon's moveset, Water/Ice yields great coverage. HP Electric is not a great option with Porygon on the team, as Vaporeon will never have to deal with Gyarados. Empoleon is the only reason HP Electric is needed, so if you think you need more Salamence/Kingdra/Latias/Dragonite/Grass Type coverage is needed, Ice Beam is the way to go. However, if you need the Empoleon coverage, use HP Electric.
 
friar04 said:
Paranoid212, why do you want to keep HP Electric on Vaporeon? Is it for Empoleon? I could see that. But, I don't think it is a good idea to make Vaporeon free set-up for Latias. Latias can Substitute, or Calm Mind, or anything on Ice Beamless Vaporeon. For Vaporeon's moveset, Water/Ice yields great coverage. HP Electric is not a great option with Porygon on the team, as Vaporeon will never have to deal with Gyarados. Empoleon is the only reason HP Electric is needed, so if you think you need more Salamence/Kingdra/Latias/Dragonite/Grass Type coverage is needed, Ice Beam is the way to go. However, if you need the Empoleon coverage, use HP Electric.
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Porygon2 wont last forever and Latias has a very high special defense so it can calm mind in Vaporeon's face to the point that ice beam does pathetic damage
 
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