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Mafia vs Village Flavourful Mafia - Game Over - Evil Wins!

After an argument between lynching a poltergeist infected shadow and a very serious looking banana, you all decide to lynch Haunted.Shadow today.

Haunted.Shadow was:
sunny004 said:
Dear Haunted.Shadow, you are Bowser.

“GAHAHAHAHA!”

You are the Koopa King, notorious for kidnapping Princess Peach about once every year, only to be freed by Mario within the same day, because you suck at countering Mario. For Christ’s sake, replace the useless bullet bills with heat-seeking missiles or something.

Every other night, you may reply to this host conversation with Night X – Kidnap USER. You will kidnap USER, who will be treated as dead the next day, in that nobody can talk to them, they can’t talk to anyone (Even outside of the thread), and they are unable to be killed and unable to complete their night action. However, since you are absolute crap at kidnapping, they will escape the next night. You CANNOT kidnap the same person twice in a row, because they will have their guard up from the last time.

You are allied with Evil. You win if Evil Eliminates Good.
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Now that UncleSam 's captor is dead, he is free and can talk freely again. It wouldn't matter anyway because he was going to escape at this time.

It is now Night 1. Night 1 ends in 48 hours, or on February 11th at 8 P.M. EST
 
Alright well done. First thing to emphasize is: do NOT claim to Da Letter El. Infinite bulletproof villager is completely unbelievable and even if he shows up as that on inspection it is highly unlikely that is his actual role.

First, this is my role PM:
Dear UncleSam, you are Dr. Light.

"Humans and robots living together in harmony and equality. That was my ultimate wish."

Famed roboticist, you created Megaman, and the first bosses of Megaman. Once Dr. Wily re-programmed the Robot Masters, you modified Megaman and gave him the Mega buster, which he used to defeat Dr. Wily and his nefarious schemes.

You have no night action. However, the first time someone tries to kill you, Megaman will dive in front of you and take it for you, causing the kill to fail. You will be notified once this happens, and if someone tries to kill you again you will die.

You are allied with Good. You win if Good eliminates Evil.

Next order of business: Read the following log:
[20:48] <UncleSam> oi im doctor light

[20:49] <Gale> Oh okay

[20:49] <Gale> So you can protect someone?

[20:49] <UncleSam> no my role is not bodyguard

[20:49] <UncleSam> my role name is doctor light from megaman

[20:50] <UncleSam> what is your role name

[20:50] <Gale> Whoa

[20:50] <Gale> Dr. Light is the real villain

[20:51] <Gale> Did you say Game Theory video on Mega Man?

[20:51] <Gale> :o

[20:51] <Gale> I am not sure US

[20:51] <UncleSam> lol

[20:51] <UncleSam> are you like

[20:51] <UncleSam> a troll

[20:51] <Gale> Why are you asking everyone about their Roles?

[20:51] <UncleSam> ok yes you are a troll

[20:51] <Gale> Lol

[20:51] <UncleSam> because it gives the mafia a hard time and is easy af for the village?

[20:52] <UncleSam> literally all im doing is harassing mafia with this strategy

[20:52] <Gale> Can't Mafia feint already?

[20:52] <Gale> With built up names?

[20:52] <UncleSam> ya but their fake claims have to be built around whatever role name they come up with on the fly

[20:52] <UncleSam> when i ask them

[20:52] <UncleSam> and what if two of them accidnetally take the same one given to them

[20:52] <UncleSam> then i have caught two of them for free

[20:52] <Gale> That won't happen

[20:52] <Gale> As Mafia have their PMs?

[20:52] <UncleSam> you know this because youre on the mafia?

[20:53] <Gale> I could be, you never know

[20:53] <UncleSam> so youre refusing to claim role name?

[20:53] <Gale> No I will claim Role name

[20:53] <Gale> But after Night 1

[20:53] <UncleSam> well what is it then

[20:53] <UncleSam> rofl

[20:54] <UncleSam> ya im gonna want roles after day/night 1 so

[20:54] <Gale> Or until I can be sure to trust you

[20:54] <UncleSam> k well ty for giving yourself away

[20:54] <Gale> DLE knows it though :(

[20:54] <Gale> Yeah I will probably be roast anyways

[20:54] <UncleSam> dle is like 70% likely to be mafia

[20:54] <UncleSam> you claimed to him .

[20:55] <Gale> I didn't understand the game :/

[20:55] <Gale> Okay no harm telling you my role name

[20:56] <Gale> The Sniper

[20:56] <UncleSam> what is the

[20:56] <UncleSam> precise character

[20:56] <UncleSam> like the sniper from what

[20:56] <UncleSam> american sniper?

[20:56] <Gale> Not really sure

[20:56] <UncleSam> can you read the flavor paragraph

[20:57] <UncleSam> and figure it out

[20:57] <Gale> TF2?

[20:57] <UncleSam> ah

[20:57] <UncleSam> ok

[20:58] <Gale> The Sniper (John Patrick Lowrie) is a cheerful New Zealand ocker-style character[42] equipped with a laser-sighted sniper rifle to shoot enemies from afar and a submachine gun and a kukri for close combat.[36]

[20:59] <Gale> Found from wiki

[20:59] <UncleSam> no i think

[20:59] <UncleSam> youre the sniper character

[20:59] <UncleSam> from team fortress 2

[20:59] <UncleSam> its a class

[20:59] <Gale> Yeah thats the same thing

[20:59] <UncleSam> oic

[21:00] <Gale> So I am a support character

[21:00] <Gale> I don't know what that tells you lol

[21:00] <Gale> I can claim Role Power too if you want

[21:00] <UncleSam> yes if its support i would like to know

[21:00] <Gale> But I want to know to trust you

[21:01] <Gale> I would like the info you already have

[21:01] <Gale> So I understand the game

[21:01] <UncleSam> lol

[21:01] <UncleSam> thats not how this works

[21:01] <Gale> If DLE is mafia then I would probably be roast

[21:01] <UncleSam> dle is most likely mafia

[21:01] <UncleSam> hes not confirmed

[21:01] <Gale> How does this work then?

[21:02] <Gale> I remember from last game

[21:02] <UncleSam> you told dle your role?

[21:02] <Gale> No Sheet, No Alliance

[21:02] <UncleSam> well firstly gale celever was lying to you and using you

[21:02] <UncleSam> as evidenced by him slaughtering you

[21:02] <UncleSam> the moment you were no longer of help to him

[21:02] <Gale> US, it was clear to me that he was using me

[21:02] <UncleSam> also that was a free for all game

[21:02] <UncleSam> this is a alliance game

[21:03] <UncleSam> it works completely differently

[21:03] <Gale> I was sure to be sacked because he was already in an Alliance and DLE wanted me dead

[21:03] <Gale> But you were right after my throat

[21:03] <UncleSam> im sorry you are just so dumb lol

[21:03] <Gale> Okay enlighten me

[21:03] <UncleSam> i had zero reason to kill you

[21:03] <UncleSam> in that game

[21:03] <UncleSam> at the time of that lynch

[21:04] <UncleSam> the only reason i ever had was that dle wanted you dead but dle had chosen celever

[21:04] <Gale> You were trying to kill me earlier

[21:04] <UncleSam> thats because in a free for all you do things for allies lol

[21:04] <Gale> Because one of your alliance members wanted me dead

[21:04] <UncleSam> but then dle decided not to be my ally

[21:04] <UncleSam> DLE was no longer an alliance member

[21:04] <UncleSam> holy fuck what is so hard to understand about this

[21:04] <UncleSam> dle chose celever so i said fuck dle

[21:04] <UncleSam> ill work with dles enemies

[21:04] <Gale> Yeah but you had others

[21:04] <UncleSam> then you fucked me over anyway

[21:04] <UncleSam> no i did not

[21:04] <UncleSam> holy fuck

[21:04] <UncleSam> my two alliance members who needed you dead backstabbed me

[21:04] <UncleSam> and so i excommunicated them

[21:05] <UncleSam> more cowbell and dle

[21:05] <Gale> Who were the two?

[21:05] <Gale> Okay

[21:05] <UncleSam> they were both working with celever

[21:05] <UncleSam> the whole time

[21:05] <Gale> So if I didn't get you killed what would have happened?

[21:05] <UncleSam> i wouldve lynched celever and you probably wouldve won

[21:05] <UncleSam> because i hated more cowbell and dle so much at that point no way i work with them again

[21:05] <Gale> The Lynch was going between you and?

[21:06] <UncleSam> if you had flipped id have spun the lynch to more cowbell

[21:06] <UncleSam> who i believed to be ephraim

[21:06] <UncleSam> but he and celever had swapped aliases in claiming

[21:06] <Gale> Ephraim was Celever

[21:06] <UncleSam> so celever wouldve ended up dying

[21:06] <UncleSam> yes more cowbell was claiming ephraim thouh

[21:06] <Gale> Hmm

[21:06] <UncleSam> so id have lynched more cowbell

[21:06] <UncleSam> thinking ephraim=more cowbell

[21:06] <UncleSam> and in reality celever wouldve died

[21:06] <UncleSam> but id have attacked dle and wrecked him that cycle

[21:06] <Gale> But I had 0 trust in you

[21:06] <UncleSam> and more cowbell

[21:07] <UncleSam> thats because you didnt realize that in ffas alliances change

[21:07] <UncleSam> and had a bizarre affinity for helping celever with zero regard for your own interests

[21:07] <UncleSam> however this is a completely different situation

[21:07] <UncleSam> in this game alliances dont change

[21:07] <UncleSam> my winning results in village winning and if you are village then you dont have anything to worry about with regards to me

[21:08] <UncleSam> ie i have zero reason to ever backstab you because you are permanently allied with me

[21:08] <Gale> Then why are you and DLE fighting for Leader?

[21:08] <UncleSam> because dle isnt village most likely

[21:08] <UncleSam> an did rather the villagers not give the mafia all our role info for them to kill the best roles

[21:08] <UncleSam> and id*

[21:08] <Gale> And why do you want to be leader?

[21:08] <UncleSam> because i am almost certainly the most capable person for creating a solid plan of action to smoke out the mafias

[21:09] <UncleSam> given my track record as a village leader and my knowledge of the players in this game

[21:09] <Gale> Hmm

[21:09] <Gale> Okay since I have given DLE the info and DLE could be Mafia

[21:09] <Gale> I would mostly be targetted?

[21:09] <UncleSam> you told dle your role?

[21:09] <Gale> I told everything

[21:10] <Gale> I am a dumb ass

[21:10] <UncleSam> if its a strong role then theres an excellent chance you will get hooked this night

[21:10] <UncleSam> i might be able to get a safeguard on you though depending on what it is

[21:10] <UncleSam> what is your role

[21:10] <Gale> Well its not too good

[21:10] <Gale> I watch

[21:11] <UncleSam> so you target someone and see everyone who targets that person?

[21:11] <Gale> Yeah

[21:11] <UncleSam> ok thats a decent role

[21:11] <UncleSam> i want you to watch me this night

[21:11] <Gale> So should I target myself?

[21:11] <UncleSam> and see everyone who targets me

[21:11] <UncleSam> no because if the mafia hook you

[21:12] <UncleSam> you wont be able to see it anyway because the hook will stop the watch

[21:12] <UncleSam> so theres no point

[21:12] <UncleSam> and if i safeguard you to stop the hook then the watch on yourself will get blocked by the safeguard

[21:12] <Gale> So me watching you is no point too?

[21:12] <UncleSam> no you atching me the idea is

[21:12] <UncleSam> i safeguard you

[21:12] <UncleSam> so mafia cant hook you

[21:12] <UncleSam> you watch me

[21:12] <Gale> So who has safeguard?

[21:12] <UncleSam> to see if anyone targets me

[21:12] <UncleSam> i cant reveal that to you until im more certain you are village

[21:12] <Gale> What?

[21:12] <Gale> I am village

[21:13] <UncleSam> and i think youre telling the truth

[21:13] <Gale> How dumb can I be?

[21:13] <UncleSam> but a mafia would say the same thing

[21:13] <Gale> Lol

[21:13] <UncleSam> if i gave everyone who said 'im village' all the village role info

[21:13] <Gale> If I was mafia I would have the PM

[21:13] <Gale> Why would I talk to everyone around?

[21:13] <UncleSam> that would be against the villages' interests no?

[21:13] <Gale> Hmm makes sense

[21:14] <Gale> But I don't like sitting around doing nothing

[21:14] <Gale> And I don't like being puppeted

[21:14] <Gale> Either I am in a plan

[21:14] <Gale> Or I do what I want

[21:14] <Gale> I which case I want to target myself

[21:15] <UncleSam> im not puppeting you dont you see that i am far more likely to be targeted by roles

[21:15] <UncleSam> and secondly how will you ever get a result from watching yourself

[21:15] <UncleSam> if the mafia target you then you wont see them if they dont then it was a wasted action

[21:16] <UncleSam> im just trying to optimize how much useful info you get

[21:17] <Gale> Well one thing is for sure

[21:17] <UncleSam> whats that

[21:17] <Gale> If DLE is mafia or not, You me and DLE would be targetted.

[21:17] <Gale> Or*

[21:18] <UncleSam> so lets assume that the mafia have a hooker-esque role

[21:18] <UncleSam> and that dle is mafia

[21:18] <Gale> What is that?

[21:18] <UncleSam> and therefore knows that your role would be useful to hook

[21:18] <UncleSam> hook=stops a role form performing actions

[21:18] <UncleSam> aka any actions taken by the target of that role simply fail

[21:18] <Gale> Oh okay

[21:18] <Gale> But he won't do that

[21:18] <UncleSam> now if they hook you then your watch will fail because you were hooked

[21:19] <UncleSam> if they dont hook you

[21:19] <UncleSam> then you wont see anyone taret you

[21:19] <UncleSam> because no one is targeting you

[21:19] <Gale> Makes no sense

[21:19] <UncleSam> on the other hand if they say kidnap me to shut me up for the day

[21:19] <UncleSam> and you watch me

[21:19] <UncleSam> you will see that and be able to identify the kidnapper for everyone

[21:19] <UncleSam> come tomorrow

[21:19] <UncleSam> kidnap=remove a player from the game for one cycle

[21:19] <Gale> Lets say the Kidnap you

[21:20] <Gale> Someone should be there as a back up to lead?

[21:20] <UncleSam> if they kidnap me and you watch me

[21:20] <UncleSam> well i wouldnt be dead

[21:20] <Gale> Why can't I be that someone temporarily?

[21:20] <UncleSam> an dif youre watching me

[21:20] <UncleSam> certainly tomorrow if im kidnapped

[21:20] <UncleSam> and you see who kidnapped me

[21:20] <UncleSam> simply say

[21:20] <UncleSam> 'i go tthis result, <x> kidnapped unclesam, everyone lynch him'

[21:20] <UncleSam> and people will follow you

[21:20] <Gale> They mafia would know that I have that power

[21:21] <Gale> And Boom

[21:21] <UncleSam> trust me its worth them knowing you have that power

[21:21] <UncleSam> to get a lynch on a mafia day 1

[21:21] <UncleSam> plus if you told dle already

[21:21] <UncleSam> odds are they know anyway

[21:21] <UncleSam> so theres really no reason not to publicize your result

[21:21] <Gale> DLE asked me to target him

[21:22] <Gale> So they are not going to use that power of Hook on me

[21:22] <UncleSam> hmm ok thats alright as well

[21:22] <UncleSam> but do not report the results back to anyone except me

[21:22] <Gale> I won't do that until you share info US

[21:22] <Gale> I am clear about that

[21:22] <UncleSam> gale thats not how villages work

[21:22] <UncleSam> on smogon

[21:22] <UncleSam> a few people maintain the information so that it doesnt leak to the mafia

[21:22] <Gale> I need to be atleast the third officer for me to trust the leader

[21:23] <UncleSam> well theres a decent chance that ill be able to give you information but i need to get a cleaned result on you from an info role first

[21:23] <Gale> For now you have only told me that you Dr. Light

[21:23] <Gale> Why do you want to waste Info roles on me?

[21:24] <Gale> Shouldn't we target DLE

[21:24] <UncleSam> i dont but if you are refusing to use your role for your own win condition until i clean you then so be it

[21:24] <Gale> Hmm makes sense

[21:24] <UncleSam> your role is uselss if you wont give what results you got

[21:24] <Gale> Yeah I don't mind getting Identified

[21:24] <UncleSam> go back and read a few

[21:24] <Gale> If that would make me get more info on the game

[21:24] <UncleSam> village vs mafia games

[21:24] <UncleSam> you should get a better feel for

[21:24] <UncleSam> how things typically go here

[21:25] <Gale> But you are being single point of control

[21:25] <Gale> It should be a collective decision

[21:25] <Gale> In everyone's interest in the village

[21:25] <UncleSam> to some extent it will be

[21:26] <UncleSam> but if i say 'lynch x i cant tell you why for now' after two successful mafia lynches

[21:26] <Gale> Okay tell me something

[21:26] <UncleSam> i will need people to simply go along with it trusting that i cant reveal the reason for it because it would reveal roles that are allied with the village

[21:26] <Gale> Why did you want to be leader

[21:26] <UncleSam> i already told you gale

[21:26] <Gale> If you know they can Kidnap you?

[21:26] <UncleSam> because then it forces them to kidnap me

[21:26] <UncleSam> and risk getting watched

[21:27] <UncleSam> i dont even know if the mafia have a kidnap role

[21:27] <UncleSam> its just one of many possibilities

[21:27] <Gale> But they know I wont watch you

[21:27] <UncleSam> well if you were listening to me

[21:27] <UncleSam> you would watch me

[21:27] <Gale> You are not understanding US

[21:27] <Gale> If DLE thinks, I think that DLE is Village

[21:27] <Gale> I would watch him

[21:28] <UncleSam> what are you talking about

[21:28] <UncleSam> dont tell dle anything

[21:28] <UncleSam> it doesnt matter what he thinks about you

[21:28] <Gale> Well let me tell you somthing about myself

[21:28] <Gale> If I don't understand things

[21:29] <Gale> I do what is the most simplest solution

[21:29] <Gale> Even if it is not ideal

[21:29] <Gale> That is me watching myself, period

[21:29] <UncleSam> sigh

[21:29] <UncleSam> its like talking to a wall

[21:29] <UncleSam> watch yourself then

[21:29] <Gale> Yup

[21:29] <Gale> Okay ^_^

[21:29] <UncleSam> hopefully in the future

[21:29] <UncleSam> you will actually try to win

[21:30] <UncleSam> but n0 actions are typically horrendous for the village anyway

[21:30] <Gale> If mafia can kill you

[21:30] <Gale> Why would they Kidnap you?

[21:30] <UncleSam> they can tkill me

[21:30] <UncleSam> its night 0 no kills allowed

[21:30] <Gale> Oh

[21:30] <UncleSam> only non-killing actions are valid

[21:30] <Gale> Cool

[21:30] <Gale> So tell about kills

[21:31] <Gale> One mafia member can kill one Villager a day to a max of two?

[21:31] <Gale> Night*

[21:31] <UncleSam> i have no idea what the mafia

[21:31] <UncleSam> can do

[21:31] <Gale> I mean the previous games

[21:31] <UncleSam> my best guess would be the mafia can kill once per night and a neutral party can kill once per night

[21:31] <UncleSam> based on the mafia mafia 2 format

[21:31] <UncleSam> which was the most recent major mafia vs village 1v1

[21:31] <UncleSam> it was the same in my game lord of the rings mafia

[21:31] <Gale> Oh okay
(The spaces appear as a result of c/ping from a google document)
tl;dr: Gale claimed Watcher during Night 0. He tells me he is going to target himself. I spend a long time convincing him to target me instead, figuring I may well get kidnapped, and I tell Gale to out whoever targets me in the event I do.

Now if I were mafia, would I really be so retarded as to then SEND MY TEAMMATE KIDNAPPER AFTER MYSELF? Even if I were kidnapping myself to frame myself (which would be a horrible plan because it is a NOC kidnap meaning I would be ceding total control of the village to whatever cretin *cough dle cough* started gathering claims) then I would sure as hell not tell the watcher to target me as well, and then out my teammate!

In short, CLAIM TO ME, NOW. I am obviously not mafia and it should be pretty clear DLE is the wolf. I am by far the cleanest person at the moment. I will hound you all for claims but please don't make me do so.
 
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UncleSam said:
Dear UncleSam, you are Dr. Light.

"Humans and robots living together in harmony and equality. That was my ultimate wish."

Famed roboticist, you created Megaman, and the first bosses of Megaman. Once Dr. Wily re-programmed the Robot Masters, you modified Megaman and gave him the Mega buster, which he used to defeat Dr. Wily and his nefarious schemes.

You have no night action. However, the first time someone tries to kill you, Megaman will dive in front of you and take it for you, causing the kill to fail. You will be notified once this happens, and if someone tries to kill you again you will die.

You are allied with Good. You win if Good eliminates Evil.
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Don't claim to him yet. Every other role PM I have seen in this game so far (read: two example PMs in the OP, Dale's claim, dead Haunted.Shadow's, and my own) start the flavor with "You are". UncleSam's does not.

Does anyone else have a PM without their flavor starting with "You are" (other than UncleSam's scumbuddies of course)
 
Yes let's base who is clean based on flavor paragraphs written by sunny004 great idea

You seriously think I set myself up to be kidnapped AND sacrificed a teammate in order to claim as a BPV to lead the village? Just think through that for one moment then realize how retarded it is and claim to me.
 
Oh and also for god's sake do NOT claim to DLE the 'infinite BPV villager'. That's such a horrible fake claim it hurts, even if that is what he shows up as on inspection.
 
UncleSam said:
Yes let's base who is clean based on flavor paragraphs written by sunny004 great idea

You seriously think I set myself up to be kidnapped AND sacrificed a teammate in order to claim as a BPV to lead the village? Just think through that for one moment then realize how retarded it is and claim to me.
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I wouldn't put it past you to.
 
UncleSam said:
Yes let's base who is clean based on flavor paragraphs written by sunny004 great idea

You seriously think I set myself up to be kidnapped AND sacrificed a teammate in order to claim as a BPV to lead the village? Just think through that for one moment then realize how retarded it is and claim to me.
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You probably thought the kidnap omniguard's the target, like it literally always does, and thought his watch would fail. Don't act like you KNEW that if you were kidnapped, the watcher's role would still work. The standard kidnap in Smogon mafia makes the target untargetable by all other roles/has the highest priority.

Why were you so certain that the watch would go through if you were kidnapped?

Also "You're" is obviously a variation of "You are". UncleSam's flavor completely different.
 
Looks like our UncleSam wasn't in another castle!

................................

...Harsh. Anyways, Spiffy's argument doesn't stand. My role pm's flavour starts with "Officially known as..."
 
Since when has kidnapper made other roles fail? In general the norm is for other roles NOT to fail, it would be quite unusual for a watcher to not see a kidnapper.
 
I can understand where Sam is coming from; if it were me designing the game, I would have the watcher's priority higher than the kidnapper's. I'm still a bit wary, however, since Sam could have been banking on kidnap overriding watcher and using it for omniguard purposes.
 
Yes I would totally risk that when in case you didn't notice the Watcher was deadset on targeting himself if I hadn't talked him out of it. What would I possibly have gained by having him not target himself?

Seriously I had no reason to act as I did if I was mafia.
 
I was always under the assumption that kidnaps acted as an omniguard at night. Am I the only one that felt that way?

Either way, looking back at Haunted.Shadow's role it only specifies that the kidnapped target would be protected by kills and hook, so the mafia team knew going in that it didn't safeguard as well. Thus, UncleSam wouldn't tell the watcher to watch him if his mafia teammate was kidnapper.

I hate when UncleSam is right. (I would like to get him cleaned ASAP though)
 
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