Metagame Fortemons

[HydroJ]

Riolu is basically a "guess the move I'm gonna click, and if you guess wrong you'll be phased.", which is what makes it uncompetitive. Even dark types aren't really safe, as you can predict the switch, go for sub and then just click drain punch for decent chip. Here is the set with replays:

Riolu @ circlethrow
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Copycat
- Protect
- Substitute
- Drain Punch

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Another interesting mon that makes good use of phasing is Milotic. It can elevate the negative priority to 0 with Rest/talk, while making good use of its Marvel Scale buff, in addition to getting a double switch with Flip Turn. Here's a set that worked for me so far:

Milotic @ dragontail
Ability: Marvel Scale
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Flip Turn
- Alluring Voice

Hardly needs exp. Can phase behind subs, or help you gain massive momentum with Flip Turn.

I remember facing you on ladder and getting beaten by that very same Riolu, so I'm glad I wasn't one of the replays LOL. It was a big wake-up call, and I haven't lost to one since then, but man, it's scary each time I face one.

Also, I'm such a huge fan of Dragon Tail Forte Milotic to the point that it has helped me build a few sets around the premise of Phase Turning. Currently, I have been using Mew as my go to phase turner since it has access to a plethora of setup and hazards. My favorite use so far is having it set Trick Room, then using the massive momentum you get to bring in the right Abuser( particularly ).

Mew @ dragontail
Ability: Synchronize
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Trick Room / Taunt / Will-o-Wisp / Thunder Wave / Pain Split
- U-turn
- Stealth Rock / Taunt / Spikes / Toxic Spikes
- Alluring Voice / Volt Switch / Misty Explosion

As a TR setter, it does have a few flaws, mainly being its Ghost, Dark, and U-turn weaknesses, so it does need to pick the right time to come in cause it really struggles with mons like Pult, Gambit, and Darkrai. Alternatively, it can run 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 Spe with a speed boosting nature so that it can outspeed and taunt other taunters or hazard setters such as Landorus, no boosts Excadrill, and Tinkaton. Losing the bulk does mean your match-ups become stricter, but this spread does give it some survivability, as it can always survive 2 EQs from Jolly Landorus or Excadrills, letting you always set up TR on them after a taunt. For the last move, Alluring Voice is always great for the same reasons detailed in your post, but you can also elect to run Volt Turn so that you don't proc Toxic Debris with Phase Turning or Misty Explosion for Retaliate fortes and even better chip versus Dark types.

And the best part you can take everything I said about it, setting trick room, and apply it to other strategies like hazard setting or status spreading. You can even keep the same EV spreads I mentioned or change them around, like going full Spdef. I've even used it as a gravity and rain setter with mixed results, but that shows just how much it can do.

 

[Wingullspammer69]

So we need to talk about the elephant in the room with forte....

No not you Copperajah it's not your time to shine go back to Tier Shift

Yes thank you Cyclizar... So as you know there was a certain du-

Yes this thing....got banned for terrorizing the tier with it's deadly Rapid Spin Forte+Aqua Step/Triple Axel combo it can easily get plus 2/3 speed with just one attack and SD the turn after or before to break through targets such as Alo but we're not here to talk about this we are all thankful this things gone...HOWEVER we are now left with a HUGE issue with no good solution. What do we do about hazard control. Because Iron Treads, Terapagos, Great Tusk, Quaquademon are all banned. Which leaves us with Glimmora and we all know this mfer is NOT filling those shoes not fast enough to be a threat, not bulky enough to come in multiple times. So what else do we have? Oh Donphan the best spinner in the world? No absolutely not this mon is a bootleg tusk at absolute best and primarina food otherwise, same issues as glimm only not as bad at least it has sturdy but too slow for the spin boost to matter and pure ground? Big yikes for an offensive spinner. Who's next Sandslash? No neither Aslash or Kslash are filling the spinner slot whatsoever. Which leaves us with Cyclizar? Nope same issues as before it's got the speed sure but that's the last thing it needs...it doesn't have the power to do what needs to be done and even with regen it's not nearly bulky enough to come in and effortlessly remove hazards I will say uturn and spin in one move is a bonus but immediately thrown out the window because you're throwing out the speed boost to remove hazards once? Only for them to get em right back up? Real cool...so Cyc doesn't work, Donphans not strong enough or fast enough, Glimms not catching any eyes and the rest of the spinners are so bad it's not worth mentioning. So that leaves us with Eleki as a spinner? No this doesn't work long term either because while eleki can hit hard the moment a ground type comes in it's useless and it can't spin on ghost types ESPECIALLY ground ghost types albeit this isn't even what eleki does it spams big hits like giga impact/hyper beam supercell slam etc. You get the point, regardless something needs to be done about the haz removal issue because defog ain't it, don't get me started on that issue cause all the joggers that would normally be good rather do something else. I propose we ban spin as a forte so we can bring back mons like Great Tusk and MAYBE terapagos although don't hold your breathe on that mon, but I'm not done yet I also propose we ban Body Press as a forte so we can also have treads back. This will give us viable spinners back, reduce the MASSIVE mixed attacked pandemic going on AND it would start to balance out the insanity of the meta going on right now.